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August 22, 2008 5:41:47 PM

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Thanks to all that helped! Here is my parts list followed by a brief explanation of the choices. Let me know what you think!



1 x Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Wolfdale 3.33GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x ASUS Rampage Extreme LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 x OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 x SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x SILVERSTONE TJ09-BW Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

2 x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000GLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 x Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x Link Depot Floppy UV Cable Model UV-FLP18-SL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x Link Depot POW-ADT-3P4 Power 4 pin adapter to 3 pin fan adapter - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x Arctic Silver Ceramique Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 x Creative 70SB088000004 7.1 Channels PCI Express 1x Interface PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 x SilenX IXP-76-18 120mm Case Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3 x SILVERSTONE FN122 120mm Case Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $4140.37 Before shipping, combos, and rebates.

I went with an E8600 cause from what I have read, Dual-core processors are currently better/enough for games and are far easier to overclock. A Quad-core might be nice for running Norton in the background while you are playing a game, but that’s about all it’s good for. I plan to overclock it to at least 4.0 GHz with air. The XIGMATEK CPU Cooler did well in the overclocking trials that I saw. In addition, it has a high CFM to ambient db ratio with a max db below 35…important to those of us that don’t like a tornado sound in the background while they are playing. Artic Silver is a standard. I chose the ASUS Rampage Extreme because I like the Extreme board features. While this does force me to use DDR3, it also gives me a few more ports and options that I want to use (external SATA, two extra SATA ports, etc). The 8 Gigs of OCZ Platinum DDR3 memory I got has ok timings for DDR3 (7-7-7-7-24) and is not too expensive. I have to admit I am concerned about its ability to allow the system to hit 4.0 GHz. If it fails, then I will replace it. The 2 Sapphire 4870x2 was a no-brainer. I Want 2 for Fallout 3. Plan to get 2 Raptor drives and raid 0 them as my primary drive. The 2 WD 1TB drives, one will be used for storage one for downloads (No RAID). Plan to get the Creative X-Fi Titanium because I don’t want to use the onboard sound (technically it is on board). The X-Fi Titanium is the cheapest card that supports both XP64 and a front side audio connection (for the case). Based on the location of the 2 PCI-E 2.0 16x ports, I should be able to sneak the soundcard between the two 4870’s. The case is a SILVERSTONE TJ09. I plan to strip the fans is comes with and replace them with SilenX IXP fans due to their insane CFM to ambient db ratio (this will get a good air stream flowing from the front to back. I also plan to install 3 generic 120mm low ambient db fans in the 3 extra spots the case has (to keep the air flowing). Need a floppy drive for RAID drivers. Chose a standard CD/DVD Burner. It’s SATA and its Dual Layer burns at 12X (at least). Everything is powered by the CORSAIR CMPSU 1000W PSU. Its modular, is it has 2 8-pin for the 4870’s, and it is CrossFire ready. Got a few extra 3-pin adapters just incase I need them (I shouldn’t). All the devices have XP/XP64/Vista32/Vista64 Compliant drivers. Overall, it should be fast, quiet, and have everything I need. Also the case is “none more black”…a huge selling point.

I will be adding my extra Maxtor 1TB drive and Netgear WG311v3 (Atheros compliant device…compliant with Tomfoolery) to the case. In addition, I already bought a 24 inch Gateway (FHD2400) monitor, Logitech G11 keyboard, SteelSeries Ikari Mouse (best gaming mouse in the world), Linksys 10/100/1000 switch, IOGEAR KVM switch (DVI one not VGA), LaserJet 1200, and various other attachments. All in all the extra parts add about $1300 to the total computer experience for a grand total of $5440.37 before shipping for the technology that sits on my desk. And I still have to buy…the comfy chair!





Original Message:

I need help. It has been a long time since I have built a computer and I haven’t kept up to date with the latest and greatest components and builds. That is why I am here. My goal is simple; I wan to build the best gaming rig I can with $5000. I already have a pretty good monitor (Gateway FHD2400) and all the peripherals I need. Therefore, I have $5000 for just the box.

My goals are, first and fore most, to be able to run Fallout 3 (and other newer games) at 1920x1200 full AA and AF (I know I know…). I would also like to run XP 64 with as much support as possible (no driver problems). Water cooling would be nice, but I just want to keep the ambient noise levels down on my computer, so maybe Fans will do. I am thinking I will raid up 3 drives (striped with parity) for the main OS drive, and have two separate drives for downloads and storage.

From what I understand, $5000 for just a box is approaching the "Dream Computer Build" category (although I am sure that there are ways to spend a lot more). That being said, my request for advice could be rephrased as "Name your Dream Gaming Computer."

Any advice you guys can give will be most appreciated! Thanks.

Update: For everyone telling me to wait, I can’t. This build will be required for Fallout 3. Also, you guys have convinced me. This build is aiming for cutting edge not bleeding edge. I am still willing to spend up to $5000, but only if needed.

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August 22, 2008 5:51:30 PM

I very much suggest waiting for Nehalem to be released with such a large budget. As far as I know it's coming out in september.

Starting at $300 2.6 quad core cpu, up to eight cores probably around $1000.

Get the 4870x2, maybe two of them even.

X58 motheboard when it comes out with nehalem.

DDR3 with low timings as possible.

Antec twelve hundred, or Cooler Master 830 case with all the fan slots used. (cooler is around $350 with all fans in it, but has a bit better cooling no side window, is larger and can hold more harddrives).

2x raptor hdd in raid with a 640gb western digital hdd.

This will probably be around $3000 depending on which nehalem cpu you get. Can probably get a better case since u'll have a large budget. Hmm don't know what else to put so, be patient :p 
August 22, 2008 5:53:22 PM

I dont really see the point of waiting for Nehelam honestly. Intel has openly said that it probably will not increase gaming performance that much as most of the software isnt designed to be run on more than 2 cores.
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August 22, 2008 6:01:21 PM

I would not put 5 grand into a machine that is going to be a CPU generation behind in a few months. I would wait for nehalem personally, forgo watercooling unless you are really serious about overclocking. With 5 grand you can get top of the line if you build it. Heck you can even get the custom vendors to make a great machine at that price. A 5k machine in part is for bragin rights and that will be dulled the minute next gen gear comes out. Just my two cents.
August 22, 2008 6:01:59 PM

If i was you i would wait and spend that money on a nehalem system.

if not then...

ASUS Rampage Extreme LGA 775 Intel X48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core2 Extreme QX9775 3.2GHz 12MB L2 Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
overkill but you have money to waste ;) 

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ENERMAX Galaxy EGX1000EWL 1000W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Big raid setup

Watercooling
August 22, 2008 6:10:49 PM

I'll have to agree on Georgy. You can save $100 by getting the Open Box: Asus Rampage Formula, only difference is that someone returned it and you only have a 15 day return policy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Water cooling: don't get a kit, make a new thread in the cooling and heatsinks section. tell em money isn't an issue :p 

CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... with bracket here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Blue ray burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 22, 2008 6:24:46 PM

Are you looking to build it or are you looking for a place / professional to build it for you?
Also, do you want all the extra "looks" added to it? I.E. custom paint, lights, etc.
Do you really want to drop $5K into a computer? You could bulid something unreal that most of us can't touch for $2.5 - $3K. Don't let someone tell you that you need / have to spend more.
Also, what kind of games are you playing? Is it just for games?
August 22, 2008 6:25:58 PM

georgy said:
If i was you i would wait and spend that money on a nehalem system.

if not then...

ASUS Rampage Extreme LGA 775 Intel X48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core2 Extreme QX9775 3.2GHz 12MB L2 Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
overkill but you have money to waste ;) 

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Evolution
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ENERMAX Galaxy EGX1000EWL 1000W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Big raid setup

Watercooling


Very nice setup. Add a couple of Velociraptors and a Noctua NH-U12P and a 30" monitor to the list.


Edit: never mind the Noctua, I missed the watercooling part. :) 
August 22, 2008 6:45:34 PM

Im similar to last post, but with a few other ideas.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS Rampage Extreme LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Pretty much the best DDR3 X48 board out there. Only other board I would consider would be the equivalent Gigabyte board

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - a QX9775 is pointless in all reality. This one is cheaper and will overclock. Another option is a dual core E8500 OCed to 4 ghz+, but it wont be as future proof.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) - 2 of these for 8 gigs of RAM love - Other brands may strike your fancy as well

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - 2 of these in RAID 0 to get some nice speed for your OS and games - could use other brands, I just prefer Seagate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000340AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - 2 of these in RAID 1 for backups - could use other brands here as well

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Power Supply - Good solid PSU - would consider a PC Power and Cooling 1000 watt as well

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HIS Hightech H487X2F2GP Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) - these speak for themselves, I just chose HIS because they are at the top of the list, heh

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray DVD ROM SATA Model DH-4O1S-08 - Blu Ray drive for those video watching times

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model DVR-216DBK - DVD/CD Burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-BW - arguably the best case for watercooling available

Total: $3,759.86

Watercooling will set you back a chunk. Good place for info here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/index.php?

Overview of a setup from Petras Tech Shop:

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa.html
Swiftech Apogee™ GTZ CPU Waterblock (1/2" & 3/8", Intel Socket 775) - one of the best CPU blocks out there

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab1.html
Swiftech MCR-320 "Quiet Power" Series Radiator - Black

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab.html
Swiftech MCR-220 "Quiet Power" Series Radiator - Black

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html
Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 Inline 12V DC Pump

http://www.petrastechshop.com/ekmure2.html
EK-RES250 Rev.2 Multi-Option Reservoir

http://www.petrastechshop.com/swhifig1th1o.html
Swiftech High-Flow Fitting (G 1/4" Thread, 1/2" OD) (Pack of 2)

http://www.petrastechshop.com/heclnyhoclsi2.html
Herbie Clip® Nylon Hose Clamp Size F - Black

http://www.petrastechshop.com/7id5odtyrlat.html
7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing

Total: $349.07

Priced the full coverage blocks direct from EK as they are tough to find in the US as of yet

http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21...
EK-FC4870 X2 CF - about $165 a piece when converting from Euros

Watercooling total - around $680

Total: around $4600 shipped Im guessing



August 22, 2008 6:48:12 PM

$5g's? you can be a lucky early adapter for nehalem, and show for months, even up to a year for technology youv'e had since day 1, hell you can build a skulltrail system if you really wanted to
August 22, 2008 6:55:04 PM

i know that you can always wait for the next best thing. but nehalem is a substantial change to hardware. you could build a very good system for $1500 and sell it in a year when nehalem is out and benched and then spend 4k on an unreal system.

but if you are set on doing it now then there have been good recommendations above. you could raid a few 300gb 15k cheetah sas drives. i would also recommend getting a controller if you are going to have multiple raid setups or something more complex that raid0.
August 22, 2008 6:57:31 PM

Note on my post above.

I missed a coupla things for the water cooling setup. You need a fill port. Danger Den makes a nice one. And honestly I dont know if those radiators will be enough for an OCed processor and 2 4870X2's. You may need to bump up the radiators some. You may also need to switch around some fittings on the video cards to make things work as well. Youll also need some various pieces to plumb up the system and plenty of time to setup and build the rig.

Good place to go look at some top notch TJ07 cases with watercooling: http://www.murderbox.com/ And if the you got the bucks, they may just be the place you would want to talk to...
August 22, 2008 8:58:25 PM

Spend $1000 now and build a computer, do that again in a year and a half, and then do it again a year and a half after that.

you will have a much MUCH nicer computer in the future than you would spending 5000 now and trying to make it last.

then take the extra $2000 you have (after having built 3 $1000 systems over a few years) and donate $1000 to charity, and put the other $1000 in your pocket.


that is my advice...
August 22, 2008 9:18:28 PM

You can EASILY spend $5k on a hot machine... hell I've spent $10k several times in the past to build or buy balls out screamers (spending company money in those cases). Personally though... I go the Featherstone route when spending my own money these days. I'm past the "got to have the fastest at all costs".

I spent a bunch of money on a water cooled system... it was cool and wicked fast when I put it together in 2001... but within a year you could buy a faster system for a quarter the money. These days I shoot for that point behind bleeding edge where the obscene price of components has dropped back to earth. It's kindof like buying a new car or one that's a year old... the biggest difference is that the new car costs you thousands in instant depreciation - and for all that money you get the 'new car smell' and that's about it.
August 22, 2008 9:25:42 PM

send me the money and I will take care of everything. ;) 

I believe part of the attraction to nehalem is that it greatly increases or completely eliminates the FSB. Anyone with better info please help. Something else to consider; if you build this beautiful system now how are you going to be able to upgrade the CPU in 1-2 years when all the new cpu's use a different socket?

My suggestion; either go eith my first offering (send the money to me) or wait a few months for nehalem and the new intell ssd's.
August 22, 2008 10:18:35 PM

nehalem is right around the corner ans you shouldn't throw your money away on an old 755 socket processor. you know how pist your going to be after you dump 5 grand on a pc and see that nehalem has a 10% performance increase. just wait a few weeks for nehalem even if it doesn't perform that well there will be price drops
August 23, 2008 10:23:30 AM

Thanks for all the help you guys! I knew I came to the right place.

My only concern about waiting for Nehalem is that it might be a long wait: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/150147/intels_nehalem_chips_looking_at_long_rollout.html. Plus, I have played the upgrade game before, and there is always something great coming out in the next few months. Also, from what I read, Nehalem isn't built for gaming: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2434

In the end, I don't see the point of waiting a year to get a new system, when I am rocking 939 board with an AGP port on it. Perhaps discretion is advised when it comes to spending on this build, but there comes a point when you have to just upgrade. Plus Fallout 3 is right around the corner.

Let me know if come up with anything better, for right now.
August 23, 2008 11:43:30 AM

$1800 Tower is enough to run what you want.

Dual 9800GTX... will do the job fine running FHD res. From experience.
CPU would lean towards a high end CORE 2 DUO Extreme.
August 23, 2008 1:08:54 PM

Advice for $5,000 build =

2,000 for computer
2,000 for 2nd computer
1,000 for 42" LCD TV

Have fun.

Note: in some instances 2,000 for 2nd computer could be subbed for: xbox 360, PS3 and games for each to go with the TV and the first computer on the list, it depends on your preferences. The 2nd computer however would allow you to have one available for any friends that might come over to play.
August 24, 2008 7:16:13 AM

I like the ASUS Rampage Extreme LGA 775 Intel X48. Have there been any reports on its compatibility with XP 64?
August 24, 2008 1:00:36 PM

Now:

e8X00 CPU, 4 GB of low latency DDR2-800, 4870X2, a P45 chipset mobo, a reliable PSU, decent case and a monitor. Also, if you're going 64-bit, go with Vista.

Save the rest of the money for when Nehalm comes out. Only a fool would drop that much money into a CPU socket that will be replaced in less than 3 months.
August 24, 2008 4:09:19 PM

Dude. 5000 for your Box. Thats a dream rig right there. I think you should wait on your build. The new Nehalem CPU's from intel are coming out soon. If you wait you'll be able to get the new cpu's. Why build it now knowing that better cpus are coming really soon. You could get a core CPU lol. I recommend that you wait. But if you really want it now you could get a good rig with todays cpu's. But you wont be able to easily upgrade the rig in the future because the cpu's will be using a new socket instead of the LGA775
August 24, 2008 5:08:39 PM

Just a quick note - whoever continues to suggest a cheaper system should be dragged out onto the street and shot. I'm sure that there are people who ask questions here who have a modicum of intelligence. That is, he wants what he wants, so either answer or don't. If he wants a Ferrari, don't tell him how great your budget Hyundai is working out, mmkay?

I went on newegg to see what I could find and ended up building a 3.4k system with quad crossfire with the new 4870x2's, along with the Q9650, 8gb ram, Vista 64 ultimate, a blu-ray burner, 3 750gb HDDs from seagate with 32mb cache... yeah. You could conceivably get more "XTREME" memory if you'd like, there are more expensive mobo's out there, and technically you can pick up that $600 red Crossfire case, but it depends on whether you really want to spend that additional $1600 for a slight jump in memory timings and a prettier case. This system is about as maxed out as you need it. Maybe you can add in a few fans, but that would cost you only about $40 to get a few top notch extra fans.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9266246&WishListTitle=8/24/08

Fancy Lian Li case if you want it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And of course you could always get a QX9770, but you're just wasting your time for a 200mhz increase and unlocked multiplier when it costs 2.5 times the price.





One last thing: Hate to burst your bubble, guys, but there's ALWAYS going to be something coming out soon. Always. There are better and worse times to buy things, but I can't think of a better time to buy 45nm quad cores: they're at their most mature, they're reasonably priced, and they've got a ton of support. If you run out to get nehalem, you'll get extremely expensive crap, and soon that $5k nehalem pc, within a very short period, will become worth $3k or less, and the launch material is always the crappiest. You might as well pick up the mature architecture with the knowledge that when you need to upgrade, Nehalem will be mature, cheap as hell, and better than the new architecture that will be coming out two years from now.
August 24, 2008 7:08:28 PM

mark $ said:
I very much suggest waiting for Nehalem to be released with such a large budget. As far as I know it's coming out in september.

Starting at $300 2.6 quad core cpu, up to eight cores probably around $1000.

Get the 4870x2, maybe two of them even.

X58 motheboard when it comes out with nehalem.

DDR3 with low timings as possible.

Antec twelve hundred, or Cooler Master 830 case with all the fan slots used. (cooler is around $350 with all fans in it, but has a bit better cooling no side window, is larger and can hold more harddrives).

2x raptor hdd in raid with a 640gb western digital hdd.

This will probably be around $3000 depending on which nehalem cpu you get. Can probably get a better case since u'll have a large budget. Hmm don't know what else to put so, be patient :p 


Agreed.
Don't Even Consider Building an Extremely High End System At this Point in Time.
Nehalm should be out in less than 2 months.
August 25, 2008 4:12:03 AM

Again, why wait to spend on Nehalem for ultra-premium first generation crap that isn't nearly as good? Who got a better deal- the poor saps who bought the first quad cores like the 65nm QX6700 2.66GHz for over $1200? Or the ones who can pick up a 2.66GHz 45nm quad for ~$350?

And if you're going to wait for Nehalem, don't even bother with the 4870x2's, nVidia is releasing their new lineup this fall, before Nehalem comes out, and that series will apparently be a revolution, basically the biggest revolution in video cards since the 8000 series. The highest end card from this setup has a good chance of being the card to have for years to come.

Seriously, the best time to buy an architecture is when it is at its most mature. That is always at the end of its life cycle. The worst time to buy is at its launch, where you pay ten times more for a crappy version of something, as opposed to waiting a year and getting a better version with less problems for a quarter of the price. Think, people, think. I'm an enduring optimist that we as a whole could not possibly be that stupid.
August 25, 2008 12:53:32 PM

resonance451 said:
Just a quick note - whoever continues to suggest a cheaper system should be dragged out onto the street and shot. I'm sure that there are people who ask questions here who have a modicum of intelligence. That is, he wants what he wants, so either answer or don't. If he wants a Ferrari, don't tell him how great your budget Hyundai is working out, mmkay?



LOL... If there are people here with a modicum of intelligence... you're not proving it with your posts.

The guy asked for opinions... he didn't ask for only YOUR opinion Einstein.

I ESPECIALLY enjoyed how you blathered about how stupid people suggesting cheaper systems are... then in your next post you tell him not to bother getting a Nehalem because it's too expensive for what you're getting - MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

I've been on both ends of the spectrum... I've bought the super expensive bleeding edge systems and watched them depreciate at rates that would make a car maker blush. The bleeding edge is a total waste of money for anyone for whom $5000 is a significant amount of money. If $5g's is petty cash to you then by all means blow it on a gaming platform if that's your thing, but for most of us that's not the case. This guy didn't specify where he fell on the 'got gobs of money' continuum... so providing him with a wide variety of options is ENTIRELY valid.

Here's a quick test... if you're blowing $5g's on a system now and plan on doing it again next year because you want to have the hottest hardware and don't really care about pricing, then go for it.

If you're blowing $5g's on a system and expect to run it for 3-4 years... you're WASTING YOUR MONEY. You'd be MUCH better served by buying a solid performing system for under $2g's, use that for 12-18 months then buy ANOTHER solid performing system for under $2g's (which will already perform much better than your now long in the tooth $5k system)... use that one for another 12-18 months and buy ANOTHER sub-$2g system - which will TOTALLY CRUSH the $5k system you COULD have bought 2 to 3 years earlier. You spend the same amount of money but get better average performance over the required lifespan of your investment.
August 25, 2008 2:48:53 PM

hmmm 5k to spend where to start?

Skulltrail motherboard $660
2 Q9650 $1120
2 4870x2's $1140
8 gb ddr3 $346
Cooler Express 2008 Design Super Dual Evaporators $1600
4 Intel 160gb SSD HD in raid 10 $? (have to wait to buy these)
1200 watt PSU $300
Custom Case with Beer Tap (having beer on tap........priceless)
August 25, 2008 3:08:59 PM

If you were smart, you would spend $2.5-3K on your build and the remainder on your signficant other. You'll win on all fronts!!
August 25, 2008 5:04:25 PM

runswindows95 said:
Also, if you're going 64-bit, go with Vista.

I would like to avoid Vista if at all possible. Are the improvements in gaming performance really noticeable with DirectX 10? Can I live with XP 64, or do I need to switch to Vista 64?

Also, I have been doing a lot of research these past few days. Using the suggestions you guys have posted as a guide, I have been determining parts slowly. I hope to have a part list by the end of the week for you guys to look at. Research has been going well, however, with the processor I have hit a wall. The board I chose was the ASUS Rampage Extreme (LGA 775). Some of you have suggested a Core 2 Duo Dual Core (E8500) and others have suggested a Core 2 Duo Quad Core (Q9650). From what I have read, Quad cores are generally not for gamers. They require a lot more power and don’t overclock well (I will soft overclock). While a Quad core would be nice for running Norton in the background, it doesn’t seem to produce better results for games.

What do you guys think? Price doesn’t really matter, but I do want to hit above 3.0 GHz with a 1333 FSB before overclocking. Is it worth getting a Quad with 12MB L2 over a Dual with only 6MB? Are there any other differences between the Core 2 and Core 2 Extreme that make the Extreme worth buying?

Let me know what you would get.
August 25, 2008 7:14:52 PM

The only major difference is that the Core 2 Extreme has an unlocked multiplier

its up to you whether you want to spend the extra money on the extreme or not

you probably wouldn't notice a huge difference in performance so id save the money and just get a normal quad core
August 25, 2008 8:19:09 PM

resonance451 said:
Again, why wait to spend on Nehalem for ultra-premium first generation crap that isn't nearly as good? Who got a better deal- the poor saps who bought the first quad cores like the 65nm QX6700 2.66GHz for over $1200? Or the ones who can pick up a 2.66GHz 45nm quad for ~$350?

And if you're going to wait for Nehalem, don't even bother with the 4870x2's, nVidia is releasing their new lineup this fall, before Nehalem comes out, and that series will apparently be a revolution, basically the biggest revolution in video cards since the 8000 series. The highest end card from this setup has a good chance of being the card to have for years to come.

Seriously, the best time to buy an architecture is when it is at its most mature. That is always at the end of its life cycle. The worst time to buy is at its launch, where you pay ten times more for a crappy version of something, as opposed to waiting a year and getting a better version with less problems for a quarter of the price. Think, people, think. I'm an enduring optimist that we as a whole could not possibly be that stupid.


That is a Bad Example - When the QX6700 2.66Ghz was Selling for over $1000, Intel was still selling the P4 Extreme Edition for over $1000. So you should be comparing the Last Generation P4 vs the Brand New QX6700.

Now, If you want to argue that Nehalm will not be the Best Price/Perfomance model, you may win that argument. But somebody looking to spend $5K on a computer, likely does not want to be outclassed by a $3K computer in 30-60days.
August 26, 2008 12:22:07 AM

d_kuhn said:
I ESPECIALLY enjoyed how you blathered about how stupid people suggesting cheaper systems are... then in your next post you tell him not to bother getting a Nehalem because it's too expensive for what you're getting - MAKE UP YOUR MIND!


I am saying that it is worth it to spend the extra money and spending 5k will net you a great PC - however, it is best to spend it on a mature architecture, where you will get the proper compensation for your money. So your statement is completely invalid. Read my post, you dolt. Better yet, actually comprehend it. And you wonder why I call people like you stupid. You can't even process the information you struggle to intake.

d_kuhn said:
This guy didn't specify where he fell on the 'got gobs of money' continuum... so providing him with a wide variety of options is ENTIRELY valid.


Uhh, he posted a thread about spending $5000 on a gaming rig. It's like somebody asking what nVidia card - and specifies no ATI cards please - is the best and getting a thousand screaming idiots fapping over the ATI Radeon HD 4850. Yes, it's the best p/p ratio, but perhaps the guy just wanted an nVidia card.

zenmaster said:
That is a Bad Example - When the QX6700 2.66Ghz was Selling for over $1000, Intel was still selling the P4 Extreme Edition for over $1000. So you should be comparing the Last Generation P4 vs the Brand New QX6700.

Now, If you want to argue that Nehalm will not be the Best Price/Perfomance model, you may win that argument. But somebody looking to spend $5K on a computer, likely does not want to be outclassed by a $3K computer in 30-60days.


The QX6700 was one of the first quad cores from Intel, and I actually was about to purchase one before deciding against it. Afterwards, the QX6800 and QX6850 came out, both 65nm and higher clock speeds. I waited just a bit longer for the 45nm versions, and ended up picking up a QX9650 for $1050. Now, the architecture is at its most mature and it now would cost me about $560 to get a Q9650, which is same clock speed just without unlocked multiplier. So, $560 for a 45nm 3.0GHz stock quad, or $1000+ for a 65nm 2.66GHz quad. Beginning of an architecture vs. end is what I'm getting at. With the P4's, like getting the first that came out, or getting the newest P4's at the end of the cycle for cheaper.

More mature = more efficient, reliable, powerful. As well as cheaper. You'll always be riding the crest of "cheaper" without sacrificing performance as a result.
August 26, 2008 4:50:22 AM

ditch the 4870 x2. Its hot, noisy, and chugs power.
August 26, 2008 7:16:59 AM

why the hell would you use DDR3 RAM?????????
August 28, 2008 7:36:45 PM

V3NOM said:
why the hell would you use DDR3 RAM?????????


Care to elaborate?
August 29, 2008 8:56:10 AM

DDR3 is double the cost for only a 2% increase in performance over DDR2. DDR3 won't be worth it till Nehalm drops. For a Core2Duo setup, better off getting 8GB of low latency DDR2 then 4GB of DDR3 for the money.
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