Asus 8800GT 512MB or Asus 9600GT 1024MB! Urgent Help!!

Hey Everybody.. I have an urgent question which needs to be answered.. im thinking of buying a new graphics card but I've got two selections.. I dont know which one is better and which one I'll have better performance with.

First one:

Asus GeForce EN8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =GX-142-AS

Second one:

Asus 1024Mb nVidia GeForce 9600 GT PCI-Express Card
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/pr [...] A-XN96GT10

Please check these out and let me know as soon as possible.

Thanks.

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8800gt is significantly faster. The 1gb ram on 9600gt is meaningless.

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dagger wrote :

8800gt is significantly faster. The 1gb ram on 9600gt is meaningless.

Thanks for your reply... just for your information... my computer:

Motherboard: Asrock AliveXfire-eSata2
CPU: Amd Athlon x2 64 bit 6000+ dual core
RAM: OCZ 2x1GB DDR800mhz Dual Channel (Might upgrade to 4x1GB dual channel soon)
Display: Acoustic Solutions 19" HD TV (Supports MAX 1440x900 resolutions i think) I will connect using HDMI or VGA

Is the 8800GT still the recommended one?

Thanks Once again..

Reply to musti33

Yes, don't let the ram amount throw you off. The 1gb version of 9600gt use the same processor as 512mb version. 8800gt's g92 gpu is more powerful than 9600gt's g94. 9600gt can't run the kind of resolution necessary to make use of 1gb anyway.

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dagger wrote :

Yes, don't let the ram amount throw you off. The 1gb version of 9600gt use the same processor as 512mb version. 8800gt's g92 gpu is more powerful than 9600gt's g94. 9600gt can't run the kind of resolution necessary to make use of 1gb anyway.

Ok, thanks alot for your help..

Reply to musti33

Definitely the 8800GT. It's the better graphics card.

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8800 GT.

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dagger wrote :

Yes, don't let the ram amount throw you off. The 1gb version of 9600gt use the same processor as 512mb version. 8800gt's g92 gpu is more powerful than 9600gt's g94. 9600gt can't run the kind of resolution necessary to make use of 1gb anyway.

What about the 9600GT 512MB version? If its 8800GT again i'm not going to do any comparisons, i'm just going to go for that one...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] -%20Retail

Reply to musti33

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/prod [...] subid=1008

Is cheaper and better.

Don't let the 96xx series throw you off, 8800GT is by far the best choice for that price range without doubt.

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johnyeah wrote :

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/prod [...] subid=1008

Is cheaper and better.

Don't let the 96xx series throw you off, 8800GT is by far the best choice for that price range without doubt.

Okay, thanks alot for everybody's help, i understand now which one i should go for I will be ordering my:

Asus 8800GT 512MB on wednesday, along with my new 250gb sata hard drive and another set of OCZ 2x1GB RAM )

These will be my computer specs by friday ))

Motherboard: Asrock AliveXfire-eSata2
CPU: Amd Athlon 64-bit 6000+ dual core
PSU: 450W
GPU: Asus 8800GT 512MB
RAM: OCZ 4x 1GB Dual Channel
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
Case: Galaxy III
Screen / Monitor: Acoustic Solutions 19" HDTV (720p,1080i supported) with resolutions upto 1440x900.

I'm very excited Thanks again everybody for the help )

Reply to musti33

One question, what PSU do you use?
You might want to make sure it has a PCI-E connector before you order the video card.

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johnyeah wrote :

One question, what PSU do you use?
You might want to make sure it has a PCI-E connector before you order the video card.

I'm not sure.. the PSU was on the case when i got it, is the PCI-E connector a wire with 4 connectors?

Thanks.. if you want, i can send you a picture of what im talking about... btw i think the graphic card comes with the little power adapter for the PCI-E connetor...

Reply to musti33

A picture would work.
Anyhow, if it comes with a power adapter, you should be fine. 450W PSU should handle your setup sufficiently.

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johnyeah wrote :

One question, what PSU do you use?
You might want to make sure it has a PCI-E connector before you order the video card.

Ok, I've checked and somewhere on my PSU it says "WIN Power" as brand i think.. then somewhere else it says
Model: atx-450

Reply to musti33

Yeah, I tried looking up the specs for your power supply, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

Wattages only mean so much, but I'd say it should be fine.

If you can find the specs on the PSU that'll help clarify things.

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I've googled images of PCI-E Connectors and now i know what you're talking about, i just checked my case and realised i dont have the PCI-E Connectors.. im trying to find out now weather the Graphics card comes with the little adapter or not.. worse comes to worse, i'll buy that seperately..

Reply to musti33

johnyeah wrote :

Yeah, I tried looking up the specs for your power supply, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

Wattages only mean so much, but I'd say it should be fine.

If you can find the specs on the PSU that'll help clarify things.

Ok I've got some info after reading the review from cnet... it says:

"Finally, there's an adapter for older power supply connections" I'm guessing that is the PCI-E Connector.. am i wrong?

Reply to musti33

Well, just make sure the PCI-E adapter comes with the video card (check the package content, if you can't find it, call customer service and ask before you buy). If not, make sure you buy it separately (like you said yourself).

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johnyeah wrote :

Well, just make sure the PCI-E adapter comes with the video card (check the package content, if you can't find it, call customer service and ask before you buy). If not, make sure you buy it separately (like you said yourself).

Ok Thanks alot for all your help, by the way I'm near enough sure that it will come with the PCI-E Power Connector... due to pictures of the bundled items from this site:

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/i [...] mitstart=2

And i doubt a brand like Asus will not put a PCI-E Power connector in there.. i mean they are even putting a free CD wallet in there lol

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Pictures are deceiving.
Double check if anything, just make sure you'll get it.

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johnyeah wrote :

Pictures are deceiving.
Double check if anything, just make sure you'll get it.

Okay By the way good news, I found the little adapter we need at home ) the PCI-E Power Connector... so if the Graphic Card doesnt come with the adapter.. I've got one at home to confirm the situation

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Seems like you're all set, I just hope the 12v rails supply enough amps to your keep your system steady.

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johnyeah wrote :

Seems like you're all set, I just hope the 12v rails supply enough amps to your keep your system steady.

Yep By the way, do you know any way of recognising that your power supply isnt strong enough for your computer?

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musti33 wrote :

Yep By the way, do you know any way of recognising that your power supply isnt strong enough for your computer?

Yeah, it crash on high load.

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Reply to dagger

Pretty much when your system reboots under full load, after an addition of a new device (assuming it's not the driver's that's acting up).

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Reply to johnyeah

STOP. If planing to gat the 8800GT or any other high powered card get yourself a good PSU first. That way you won't kill any of your new hardware when the PSU dies. Unless it's an Antec (EAxxx) PSU the PSUs that come with the case are cr@p. I recommend Corsair or PC Power & Cooling. If those are too expensive for you get a OCZ, Antec,etc.

You can run fine on a Corsair 450VX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139003
It's only $55 after MIR.

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Reply to shadow703793

get the ati 4850 it's better than the 8800 gt if you can afford it.

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shadow703793 wrote :

STOP. If planing to gat the 8800GT or any other high powered card get yourself a good PSU first. That way you won't kill any of your new hardware when the PSU dies. Unless it's an Antec (EAxxx) PSU the PSUs that come with the case are cr@p. I recommend Corsair or PC Power & Cooling. If those are too expensive for you get a OCZ, Antec,etc.

You can run fine on a Corsair 450VX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139003
It's only $55 after MIR.

He already has a 450w psu, which should be enough. If upgrading, at least get a higher one.

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Well.. the 450w psu is brand new.. along with all my hardware.. if its not enough.. at the end of the month, I'll have abit more money.. then i can get something bigger but hmm.. i doubt i'll have problems... you never know though..

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Power consumption, idle and load.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=22

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for £20 pounds i found a brand new 650W PSU Ebay but that doesnt matter.. its brand new.. the seller is a GOLD POWERSELLER.. and it has next day delivery I'll give you the link:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-65 [...] dZViewItem

I'm sure that PSU will be enough..

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dagger wrote :

He already has a 450w psu, which should be enough. If upgrading, at least get a higher one.

That's not my point. The PSU that comes with case are cr@p, as in cr@ppy quality. (ie low amps, low rail stability,etc)

# of Watts is rarely an indication of build quality. Just check out the reviews @ Jhonny guru or [H].

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musti33 wrote :

for £20 pounds i found a brand new 650W PSU Ebay but that doesnt matter.. its brand new.. the seller is a GOLD POWERSELLER.. and it has next day delivery I'll give you the link:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-65 [...] dZViewItem

I'm sure that PSU will be enough..

That doesn't look good. The 12v rail ampage is very low for 650w. Only 1 SATA connector? No pcie connectors? You can use molex to pcie converters, but still... It seems like an extremely old model that got a facelift and sold as up to date compatible model psu.

Also, the picture in the bottom does not match specs. They're showing a different unit there.

I wouldn't take a chance with this.

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Reply to dagger

^+1.

@OP: Stick to the PSU brands I listed. Trust me. Or you can PM Zorg with all your PSU questions about PSU quality.

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Reply to shadow703793

Okay.. yeh i had wierd feelings about that one too... stupid of me to even consider buying that one

Reply to musti33

Do you recommend "Hiper"? I've heard it's a good brand but i'm not really sure.. havent really used it..

Reply to musti33

Not sure about Hiper. But good brands will cost you. Here's something:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817703005
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817703009

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Reply to dagger

I'd say stick with your current PSU since it's not dying or anything (try it out first, then consider a new PSU if it doesn't work). If your PSU can't provide enough power, it won't fry the other components so no fret there.

I checked out the power consumption for the components and it only loads to around 300W.

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Johnyeah: Was it my components that you checked?

dagger: my budget is very limited.. after building this computer.. i really dont have alot of money left for power supply... infact i'll have none after ordering my 250gb sata2 hard disk and 8800GT so im going to wait till end of month.... at the end of the month i'll decide how much im going to spend on what.. but till the end of the month.. im going to test my current 450W psu and see how far it can get me..

Reply to musti33

I checked using http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine with your setup (not the exact same components, but it's just for general reference (but should be fine).

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Okay thanks If i have problems.. ill probably look into one of the "True" 500W or more PSU's.. by good brands like Hiper, gigabyte, antec, jeantech.. they are pretty much suitable for my budget too.. and also have few sata connectors and PCI-E connectors etc

Reply to musti33

Okay, anybody find "Alpha Power" a familiar PSU brand? I personally am not good at PSU's so i dont really know.. because it looks like i've found some good "Alpha Power" PSU's around £20 but i dont know if its a trustable brand...

Reply to musti33

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] p?t=108088

That page has a rough generalization of PSU brands out there. You can check it out.

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^+1.

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Reply to shadow703793

So.. which tier should i go for?

Reply to musti33

I'd keep with tier 3, anything below that anything can happen (meaning you can get a perfectly fine PSU, or one that blows your system up).

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Reply to johnyeah

I'm getting even more excited right now.. the amount of reviews i read about the Asus 8800GT 512mb.. it runs CS:Source at like 150 FPS!!! That's amazing!! My old computer used to have trouble running it at 30FPS lol

Reply to musti33

Corsair are good for cheap, but SERIOUSLY. DO NOT USE THAT POWER SUPPLY!!!!!!
Don't even turn it on. It WILL fry at some point and the last thing you want is your crummy PSU frying all your new stuff.
BUY A NEW PSU!!! NOW!

hope your build goes well!

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customisbetter wrote :

Corsair are good for cheap, but SERIOUSLY. DO NOT USE THAT POWER SUPPLY!!!!!!
Don't even turn it on. It WILL fry at some point and the last thing you want is your crummy PSU frying all your new stuff.
BUY A NEW PSU!!! NOW!

hope your build goes well!

Well hmm.. what is the cheapest but most trustable PSU u can find me? around £20.. MAXXX £25!!

Reply to musti33

ok.. i guess i can raise the limit to £30 and try the:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CA-020-GI

What do you guys think about that one? We all know gigabyte is a good brand.. but how about the PSU?

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