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Which of these budget gaming sysmtems are better? The AMD or the Intel

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August 27, 2008 8:35:23 AM

The * implies that it's in both systems.

#1 The Intel:

Power Supply: Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N10662GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Hard Drive: HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*DVD Burner: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Case: Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm Japanese Cold Rolled Steel Dual 120mm Fans Screw-Less design ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Video Card: XFX PVT98WYDFH GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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#2 The AMD

Motherboard: BIOSTAR TA770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Brisbane 2.8GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model ADO5400DSWOF - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P800R22GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Hard Drive: HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*DVD Burner: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Case: Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm Japanese Cold Rolled Steel Dual 120mm Fans Screw-Less design ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

*Video Card: XFX PVT98WYDFH GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Intel costs $664 and the AMD costs $652

I'm trying to keep it as low as possible, yet still maintain a quality PC.

Let me know if you have any suggestions, please.

Thanks in advance guys, I appreciate it.

I'm more than likely going to play any/every game I can get my hands on, including crysis, FEAR, half life, bioshock, etc. I'm REALLY looking forward to Spore too.

Plus, either computer is an upgrade to what I'm using now.... 266 Mhz ;) 

I'm glad my 18th birthday's coming up in a few weeks.
August 27, 2008 9:42:08 AM

I'd go with the Intel build:

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Motherboard: BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813138122

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115052

I wouldn't have done better, but if you look through combo deals, you can buy the Biostar P43 and the E7300 for only $205:
$205 - Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 2.66GHz Dual-Core Processor
______BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit...

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RAM: OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N10662GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227178

Buy this 4GB kit instead. 4GB will really help especially in Vista.
$70 ($30MIR) - DDR2 4GB PC6400 DUAL CRUCIAL
http://www.frys.com/product/5530560

And FYI, DDR2-1066 doesn't offer any performance advantages over DDR2-800:
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2800&p=7

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*Hard Drive: HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822145215

Buy this HDD instead, but don't forget to use the coupon to knock $5 off.
$80 (Coupon EMCAJCGBK) - Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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*DVD Burner: SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151171

Excellent choice.

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*Video Card: XFX PVT98WYDFH GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150314

How about the 9800GX2? For $260 you are getting a card in the same league as the GTX 280. Microstuttering may turn you off, but still overall, it is the best deal you can get for the price. BTW, this card was being sold for $600 a few months ago.
$260 - PNY GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB Video Card
http://www.buy.com/prod/pny-geforce-9800-gx2-1gb-512-bi...
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Power Supply: Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817182032

Quote:
*Case: Rosewill R5604-BK 0.8mm Japanese Cold Rolled Steel Dual 120mm Fans Screw-Less design ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811147037

Rosewill isn't a very reputable brand....
The case isn't of the highest quality, and I wouldn't trust that PSU in a system like the one you're building. So unless you really like the case, I recommend this instead:

$125 - Antec P182 Gun Metal Black Mid Tower Computer Case
______Antec earthwatts EA500 500W Power Supply
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit...


August 27, 2008 9:56:07 AM

i would go for x2....because you can get really good deal with mobo......and at lower price..... performance wise there wont be much difference.

plus i say u change ur gpu to 4850....they should be cheaper n perform same if not better

o and: get 800MHz bus ram...its good enof,,,,,specially if u want to lower price
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August 27, 2008 11:52:55 AM

I'm with the Intel build as well. That systm is designed to please!
a b ) Power supply
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August 27, 2008 12:02:51 PM

If you have a Fry's electronics store nearby, they may have an amazing deal for 2 days only: the e7200 with ecs nvidia chipset motherboard for $99.99. The ad is online at the Dallas Tx store. Other locations should also offer this deal. Haven't seen the e7200 priced this low.
August 27, 2008 12:10:43 PM

I am for the intel build with 4gb DDR2 and a decent PSU. The E7200 is a great little cpu. I would not say the AMD is faster, has better performance, nor easier to OC from my experience with both.
a c 89 ) Power supply
August 27, 2008 12:20:58 PM

Intel build, but you need most of the changes that Abu listed. Drop down to DDR2-800MHz, faster ram isn't needed. Swap out the PSU for something else. Dump the hdd, and for crying out loud don't buy Rosewill! If your trying to keep the price down, the GX2 is probably out of your price range. You would be better off getting the 4850, it can be bought from newegg for ~$155 counting the $20MIR. (same as the card you listed.)

I'd probably so get a different motherboard then Biostar or ECS. I would buy the Fry's deal just for the CPU, sell the ECS board. Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, DFI, etc are a better deal.
August 27, 2008 12:23:44 PM

The E7200 is a great CPU, but you can save money with the E2180.
When OC'd it will even beat the X2-6000+ (See XBitLabs)

Don't Get the RoseWill CPU.
See the Combo Deal Above or Consider Something like the Corsair 550w which has a good discount right now.
August 27, 2008 12:25:25 PM

Welcome to the forums!

Rosewill is a cheap brand. The power supply is important. It can wipe out your investment. I would get a Corsair PSU.
I would get a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4850 which is less than the 9800GTX+ and about the same performance.

If you go with AMD, I would get a 780G motherboard, like GA-MA78GM-S2H.

For a case I would get the Coolermaster Centurion.
August 27, 2008 12:46:06 PM

It a bad time to buy any CPU, motherboard, and memory. Intel and AMD is getting ready to launch their new CPU. While I'm not sure the AMD shanghai will require an AM3 mobo the Intel core i7 will without question. I suggest waiting as that will surly reduce price on your choices. I also suggest waiting as the E7300 may move to the R0 stepping that the new Q9400 are based on. Xmas will surly bring the prices down and that is around when all these new CPU and motherboards are to launch.
August 27, 2008 1:43:30 PM

Shanghai is the server version. Not sure what the phenom version is called, but it will work on a am2, am2+ and am3 board (if the plans didn't change). And until they change the cost of the ddr3 I'd buy a am2+ (780g sounds good).

The choice for intel vs amd is just that. Do you oc? Intel chips OC a lot better. Amd gives good cheap performance, but Intel has some cheap options too. Boards can be a problem. You need a good mobo for intel and they cost a bit more than amd boards, but then again, you might get a cheap one with rebates.

I'd go for either the 4850 or 4870 for video card. If you are a nvidia man, that it's no point in trying to convince you, but the new ati cards give great performance for a low cost.
August 27, 2008 1:54:17 PM

What ever blows your hair back,either one will work for ya.And i wouldn't wait,Amd has a history of delaying product launches,and the I7 are in a totally different bracket so they won't likely affect prices on the chips your looking at.
August 27, 2008 2:27:04 PM

I'd say the AMD with a 790gx based mobo, and a 4850 vid card. onboard graphics make a nice backup, and are good for a computers 2nd life. the 790gx also has a better southbridge.

I also vote for 2x2gb of ddr2-800 and Vista64 no matter what system you get.

don't forget a monitor. I'd say a 22" LCD

the p182/EA500 looks like a good deal
August 27, 2008 4:03:55 PM

Actually, much to my disappointment, I found out the nearest Fry's is an hour away.

I probably won't be super-overclocking at all, if anything, I'd go up maybe 10-20% but that's probably be it.

I wouldn't be able to go with both the 9800GX2, and the E7300 in the same build, as it'd push me way over my budget.

For now, I'll be using XP pro 32bit [and buy 2 GB RAM], since it's what I've got, then once I get some more $$$ i'll be investing in Vista 64 or even windows 7 64 with 4GB RAM[although I'd take vista 64 over windows 7 because it'd be new, and all new windows systems are failures in the beginning] ;) 

For now, I'll also be re-using my big hefty CRT monitor, until it dies, I do'nt have an extra $300 to dump on a monitor...

And why the suggestions of the 4850 over the 9800 GTX+???

The 9800 GTX+ outperformed the 4850 in every benchmark test, except for World in conflict? Edit: And COD4.
Link: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/731/1/

And the Ram -- The AMD build was the second one I did, which was why I had went down to the DDR2 800, after finding out it really doesn't give all too much of an added benefit, I just forgot to do that with the Intel one too.

Thanks for your help so far. :D 
August 27, 2008 4:52:07 PM

I didn't notice that my build was over budget by $100. Well...in that case, I recommend changing the CPU and motherboard to the following:

Motherboard
$60 - BIOSTAR TForce G31 Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Despite being based on the G31 chipset, it actually overclocks extremely well. Look at this page to learn more:
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?...;f=33;t=000189

CPU:
The E2180 can be overclocked on the stock HSF to ~3.2GHz...

$70 - Intel Pentium E2180 Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 27, 2008 5:07:28 PM

You sure the 500W PSU will support this beast?

;) 
August 27, 2008 5:29:53 PM

Hmm for that beast i would use a 600w+ psu, just if for not making it more stable to have a bit of legroom for newer graphics cards and such.. but so far you are looking nice.

Oh, and i bought that same rosewill psu... it came DOA, newegg failed me, which was suprising... i got an rma and its working great powering a Q6600, 2 HD's and a 8800gt oc'ed so far, but i would go with these guys and not scimp on the psu and get an antec or something.
August 27, 2008 8:13:34 PM

Yes. The Earthwatts should run the 9800GX2 fine.

We all know the 9800GX2 is nothing but two 8800GTS (or underclocked 9800GTX) cards sandwitched together. Now look at this review:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

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this power supply is a force to be reckoned with; its ripple suppression is top-notch, it barely bats an eyelash when faced with a pair of 8800GTS cards and is quite efficient to boot.
August 27, 2008 8:30:52 PM

wonder what the difference the SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F and the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

+1 P182!!!

My plan: get E2180/DS3l/OCZ Plat. Rev2 (total of ~$175), and sell it to a friend later.....then blow your money on new stuff (Nehalem/X58/DDR3).

WARNING: Only do this if you have a planned budget of $1500 or more.
August 29, 2008 4:13:47 AM

I've decided not to go with the 9800GX2, mainly because It'd go way over budget.

I've also decided against the G31, since it's only got 2 RAM slots.

Also, I'm not too sure if I feel safe OC'ing a CPU by that much, so I may just stick with the E7200.

I've been checking out the 4850, and, surprisingly, it is cheaper, I just don't know what manufacturer is better.

Sapphire, HIS, ASUS, MSI?

Or, better yet, to save a bit more $$$, would you recommend this open box 4850?:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Let me know what you think, I'm glad I came to you guys for help, instead of going on yahoo answers again. [I've posted many questions on there to get little to no answers. :)  ]
August 29, 2008 4:30:01 AM

Try also looking into the E8400. U can pitch in a little more dough, and get a dual core that matches most low-end quad cores. I think its like $170. but then again, if ur getting that u might as well just get a Q6600. But i think a processor better than a 7300 will REALLY help your overall gaming experience
August 29, 2008 2:39:12 PM

don't get an open box.

most 4850 are still reference cards, meaning they are not made by the people whose name is on the lable, they are made in 1 factory. if you see a card that deviates from the basic configuation, that one may be different.

more points for the 4850, it DX10.1, not 10. even nvidia is switching over to 10.1. it uses less power than the 9800gtx+ less power means smaller PSU, les heat, low electricity bills, and lower emisions. nvidia drivers still blow, I switched over from nvidia, and now my favorite game doesn't crash nearly so often, and actualy became playable.

but PLEASE get a nice LCD monitor. I had to switch back to a CRT for a couple of weeks, and it was nearly unbearable after using a LCD for so long. If I got a job that had me sitting infront of a CRT monitor all day, I'd buy a LCD to use myself.
August 29, 2008 4:55:30 PM

What's the difference between the E7200 and the E7300?

.07 ghz?
August 29, 2008 5:02:43 PM

Intel. AMD maybe in a few years but not now. That simple
August 30, 2008 3:18:28 AM

After thinking about it, I may go for the e7300.

It's only an extra $20, no big deal.
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