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November 18, 2008 6:06:10 PM

Found this very interesting article...it appears AMD completely frags Intel where supercomputers are concerned. Intel just cannot compete. Look at the benchmarks quoted...AMD frags!

Article:
http://www.mysolutioninfo.com/news-display.aspx?Code=12...

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Bangalore, Karnataka, IND, 2008-11-18 (MySolutionInfo - IndiaPRwire.com) AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced that its Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processors are powering “Jaguar,” the first ever wholly x86-based supercomputer to achieve the petaflop performance milestone. AMD Opteron processors now help drive seven of the Top 10 supercomputer systems in the world


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Today’s TOP500 Supercomputing Sites list reaffirms AMD’s leadership and the tremendous performance capability that HPC customers have enjoyed for years,” said Patrick Patla, vice president and general manager, Server Workstation Division, AMD. “Seven of the ten most powerful computing systems in the world now leverage the balanced platform of our Direct Connect Architecture. Our commitment to the HPC community only gets stronger with the recent launch of our 45nm Quad-Core AMD Opteron processor which has already set new standards in HPC performance.”


Just look at the Speed!!......Benchmarks below

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Recently, AMD announced widespread availability of its 45nm Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors, codenamed “Shanghai.” These latest Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors already hold multiple HPC workload-related performance records including:
· 34 percent higher floating point throughput performance than the competition on SPECfp®_rate2006 for two-socket servers¹
· 51 percent more memory bandwidth performance than the competition on STREAM benchmarks for two-socket servers²
· Approximately 65 percent faster job runs than the competition on FLUENT 12 beta (ANSYS) for two-socket servers³
· More than 30 percent better performance than the competition on LSDYNA MPP971s for two-socket servers³.
Additionally, readers of HPCWire this week voted “Shanghai” as one of the Top 5 New HPC Products or Technologies to Watch.


I must say this is impressive! I can't describe my happiness....Intel has much work to do.

I can't wait for the release of 45nm AMD quads!

AMD4Life!!

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November 18, 2008 6:21:50 PM



EDIT: A single Nehalem is faster than dual Shanghai in SPEC_int rate, and just 28% slower in SPEC_fp rate.

AMD's server days are numbered.
November 18, 2008 6:25:34 PM

2 Words. Fan boy.
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November 18, 2008 6:38:40 PM

Yeah because they have an integrated memory controller... as soon as core 7 is released AMDs supercomputer power will come to a halt as the new power will be core i7
November 18, 2008 6:55:57 PM

Unless they continue to have cache coherency validation problems with their new nehalem architecture in 2p and up.
November 18, 2008 7:35:01 PM

cache coherency validation?
November 18, 2008 7:46:50 PM

Sorry, no link. There's a rumor going around that they are having trouble with coherency validation. It may turn out to be false, but either way it shouldn't mean anything to desktop users.
November 18, 2008 8:16:45 PM

Well you said "they continued to have cache coherency validation problems", so when was the last time Intel was affected with cache coherence issues? I've never heard of it ever since P4 w/HT.
November 18, 2008 8:24:22 PM

Well, if they are having validation problems now, then they are continuing to have problems, no?
November 18, 2008 8:25:01 PM

Who cares. None of us are using supercomputers.
November 18, 2008 8:49:31 PM

hey thunderman is back! Now how is it that i just knew who was going to be the starter of this thread...

Now... where is enigma? :p 
November 18, 2008 8:58:58 PM

piesquared said:
Well, if they are having validation problems now, then they are continuing to have problems, no?


Well I have not heard of any problems with cache coherency. It was a hot topic when Conroe was launched, and many suspected Conroe may suffer from cache coherency problem due to the size of the cache. However that turns out to be false.

So, I think what you're referring to is cache coherency problems induced by inclusive L3 cache and HyperThreading. As early test shows, this is simply not the case. With HT enabled, Nehalem was able to outperform dual Shanghai chips in integer performance, and was only 28% slower in floating point.
November 18, 2008 9:14:02 PM

this thread needs a little concrum
November 18, 2008 10:00:30 PM

thunderman4Life!!! Down evil common sense!!!

Come on guys! Join the thunderman fan club.
November 18, 2008 10:07:45 PM

This is the nail in the coffin for Intel. Think about how many of us build supercomputers! Intel is completely in the dark about this as their i7's are being grabbed up like they are free and not seeing the bigger threat of losing out on supercomputer market. R.I.P. Intel.
November 18, 2008 10:12:44 PM

'IBM Roadrunner Remains World's Fastest Supercomputer'

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/IBM-Roadrunner-Top500-Sup...

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According to the recently released list of the world’s Top500 supercomputers, the title of world’s fastest supercomputer goes to IBM’s Roadrunner, located at the Los Alamos National Laboratory.


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The Roadrunner was also the world’s first supercomputer to use a hybrid design, currently combining 12,960 IBM PowerXCell 8i CPUs and 6,912 AMD Opteron dual-core processors.
November 18, 2008 10:29:56 PM

so there's the catch. 12,960 IBM CPU's.
November 18, 2008 10:33:31 PM

Seems like T-man's article just skipped a chunk of information about the Top 500 Supercomputer list.
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Here are some other highlights from the November 2008 list:

* A total of 379 systems (75.8 percent) are now using Intel processors. This is virtually unchanged from six months ago (375 systems, 75 percent). Intel continues to provide the processors for the largest share of TOP500 systems.
* The IBM Power processors and the AMD Opteron family are almost tied as second most common processor family with 60 and 59 systems each (12 percent and 11.8 percent). Both had only minor changes from six months ago.
* Quad-core processor based systems have taken over the TOP500 quite rapidly. Already 336 systems are using them. 153 systems are using dual-core processors, and only four systems still use single core processors. Already seven systems use IBMs advanced Sony PlayStation 3 processor with nine cores.
* HP took over the lead in systems with 209 systems (41.8 percent) over IBM with 188 systems (37.6 percent). IBM had 210 systems (42.0 percent) six months ago, compared to HP with 183 systems (36.6 percent). But IBM still stays ahead by overall installed performance.


What is interesting is that they list 7 IBM systems using Sony's PS3s. I would never have guessed that they would be in the Top 500 Supercomputer list.

Top 500 SuperComputers
November 18, 2008 10:38:21 PM

Nana nana nana nana

THUNDERMAN!!!!!!!!
November 18, 2008 10:45:06 PM

yomamafor1 said:
http://www.enumae.com/images/Nehalem-965-900.png

EDIT: A single Nehalem is faster than dual Shanghai in SPEC_int rate, and just 28% slower in SPEC_fp rate.

AMD's server days are numbered.

I would be more interested to see what the i7-920 does against the 2384. See what the similarly clocked machines do in comparison. You're comparing the 3.2Ghz i7 against a 2.7Ghz AMD. Also what are the power draws in the respective CPUs? the 965 as I understand it has a TDP of 130W, and the 2384 has a reported 75W power draw.
November 18, 2008 10:53:09 PM

The test also compares 1 Nehalem vs. 2 Shanghai processors.

TDP does not necessarily represents real world power usage, as it is only a number system designed for OEM as a reference for cooling solution. Since Nehalem's server parts haven't been launched, its difficult to compare with Shanghai on power consumption.
November 18, 2008 11:12:45 PM

the test compared 8 processing threads to 8 processing threads. Date over the interconnects is going to be slower than on-die anyway, also the ECC-DDR in the opty is going to hit performance at anything up to 10%. You're comparing Apples to Oranges by comparing an i7 desktop chip to a server board Opty setup.
November 18, 2008 11:15:10 PM

piesquared said:
Here's something a bit more relevant, although still related to servers.

AMD's effervescent Leslie Sobon chats AMD Shanghai



LMAO, Pie, man I may be wrong, but that looks the same techno incompetant cow (ok, she did lose a few pounds) that was pushing Phenom over youtube.


LMAO I just finished watching. ".... what we call 'switching'....." :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  The only thing missing was the Dr Evil finger quotation marks. Shes still a clueless marketing cow quoting a promo sheet prepared by the real brains at AMD, and interspersing her own propaganda.


Man....AMD really needs to hang up the advertising and to get back to what it was good at....making a good product and letting the performance sell itself. The attempts at marketing just hurts them more than it helps.
November 18, 2008 11:19:54 PM

Once i7 comes, and shows its scaling, which previous Intel server chips were poor at, thisll change, as youll start seeing i7 used in these more and more. Besides, this is about the only promotionally, decent thing their marketing team has done, as they have heavily promoted this, going as far as giving chips away for them at times
November 18, 2008 11:32:49 PM

All hail thunderman! :heink: 

Well at least he is consistent. :pt1cable: 
November 19, 2008 12:12:24 AM

turpit said:
LMAO, Pie, man I may be wrong, but that looks the same techno incompetant cow (ok, she did lose a few pounds) that was pushing Phenom over youtube.


LMAO I just finished watching. ".... what we call 'switching'....." :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  The only thing missing was the Dr Evil finger quotation marks. Shes still a clueless marketing cow quoting a promo sheet prepared by the real brains at AMD, and interspersing her own propaganda.


Man....AMD really needs to hang up the advertising and to get back to what it was good at....making a good product and letting the performance sell itself. The attempts at marketing just hurts them more than it helps.



Wow, that's a little harsh isn't it? What do you expect, Dirk Meyer himself to hop from event to event around the world selling their products?
November 19, 2008 12:18:22 AM

AMD stumbled with Phenom, and as bad as whoever thinks it was, their marketing team is twice as bad. They REALLY need to step it up
November 19, 2008 12:36:16 AM

I was trying to think of a nice way to say that jaydee.
November 19, 2008 12:40:31 AM

If AMD does one thing bad consistantly, and thats going waaay back, its marketing, their true largest failing. Easily correctible, thankfully. But these super computers are actually a good idea, but only 1 of many
November 19, 2008 4:14:54 AM

piesquared said:
Wow, that's a little harsh isn't it? What do you expect, Dirk Meyer himself to hop from event to event around the world selling their products?



Pie, I gotta tell ya, I would have hoped they would have chosen to use someone not associated with the release of Phenom, (especially not someone who was as clueless as her) to pitch the next gen. I dont know if you remember he barcelona video.....I tried to find it, but it seems to have "mysteriously" dissapeared. It was hilarious.


Oh Cmon, Pie, you gotta remember that video....she was one step (one very small step) above 'OK this box is what we cal a COM-PEW-TER. Say it with me, COM-PEW-TER. Inside are fairies and mice; sugar and spice; and everything nice. And when we press this little round button here, everything works together magically to make pretty pretty pictures on this screen.........."

The only thing good about her was that she memorized her lines so she didnt have to read in front of the camera.

Honestly tho, since you bring up Dirk, having him hop around selling prolly would not have been a bad idea. After the shelacking the AMD markerting machine gave itself over phenom, using the same people that 'informed' the public how 'super' phenom was going to be, to inform us how great shanghai is going to be prolly isnt the greatest idea. The whole guilt by association, 'fool me once shame on you......' used car salseman aura. Putting the preoven performer(Dirk) in the spot light would probably engender a lot more faith in the sales pitch.

Honestly....AMD needs to "step - away - from - the - camera" and just ship ESs. Let THG, Anands, HHardware et do the work for them. Even without Henri Richard, their marketeering team just keeps throwing gasoline on the fire. Between them , the trolls and the fanboys, its boarderline tragic.
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November 19, 2008 4:52:48 AM

piesquared said:
Wow, that's a little harsh isn't it? What do you expect, Dirk Meyer himself to hop from event to event around the world selling their products?

Hector could give him tips, he was very good.
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November 19, 2008 8:19:08 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
AMD stumbled with Phenom, and as bad as whoever thinks it was, their marketing team is twice as bad. They REALLY need to step it up



AMD didnt stumble with the Phenom....


AMD opened the front door, smiled..

Loads of people walked passed with interest waving hello, and whilst AMD came out it tripped on the door step and fell flat on its face giving it self a large bloody nose......

Now the people walking by were not so kind and laughed... And as the stories went around more and more people laughed at its error, only a few simpathisers now relish AMD getting back on its feet...

The trouble is Jaydee its still got the plaster on its nose and everyones curious why its still there and why they havent taken it off yet..

Till this day, AMD still have their nose bandaged up until they sort this out...
November 19, 2008 8:55:23 AM

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November 19, 2008 10:03:56 AM

piesquared said:
Well, if they are having validation problems now, then they are continuing to have problems, no?


No. Because you are going based on a rumor. No link with no backup = crap until proven true. And I highly doubt it since the cache system in Nehalem is the same as it is in Core 2 minus the new L3 cache.
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November 19, 2008 10:09:54 AM

BeakerUK said:
I would be more interested to see what the i7-920 does against the 2384. See what the similarly clocked machines do in comparison. You're comparing the 3.2Ghz i7 against a 2.7Ghz AMD. Also what are the power draws in the respective CPUs? the 965 as I understand it has a TDP of 130W, and the 2384 has a reported 75W power draw.


Actually no thats the ADP. AMD adopted a different power rating system for their server chips. So thats more eqivalent to a 125w TDP CPU. In servers they rate is using the Average Power Dissipated. So actually they are pretty much the same power draw. The Barcy is 125w TDP @ 2.7GHz and the Core i7 is 130w @ 3.2GHz. 500MHz difference, 5w TDP difference.
November 19, 2008 11:20:46 AM

Well, actually all AMD needs to do is come in with a good chip at a good price (like Intel did, making people forget the P4 era) and plaster them all over the place
November 19, 2008 12:13:11 PM

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/neha...

i7 965 apparently draws more power than a QX9770. A lot more.

http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3456&p=4

Shanghai power consumption is quite a bit lower, and still performs better than Intels latest and greatest server chips.

Will i7 be enough to dethrone AMD's performance per watt advantage? At this very moment, not really.

It will be some time before Intel launches i7 for servers, however.. so there is tweaking yet to be done on their end. AMD will likely implement HKMG in its processes before then, though (1H 2009 IIRC), so we'll see. It should be a competitive race.
November 20, 2008 1:22:35 AM

Is it just me, or does anyone else see a trend that within 48 hours of a thundertroll post, AMD stock takes a big hit?

It fell $0.38 today to close at $2.12

Thundy, your posts seem to be dirving AMD stock lower :lol:  :pt1cable:  :kaola: 
November 20, 2008 1:40:08 AM

Wow, that is bad
November 20, 2008 3:03:03 AM

piesquared said:
Troll? You want to see what trolling looks like, head on over here and have a look anytime, day or night, and you'll get a glimpse of what trolling is.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/AMD


haha oh wow thats priceless...
November 20, 2008 4:22:11 AM

Yeah, pififul. It used to be a good board for AMD investors, and now well, you can see for yourself.
November 20, 2008 5:35:53 AM

toosober said:
2 Words. Fan boy.


Actually, I don't think he's a fanboy. He starts threads and then leaves. Speculation has been he's either an AMD employee, or considering how lame or outdated some of his claims are, an Intel employee working to make AMD look worse.

Me, I'm a fan, but not a fanboy because I acknowledge that Intel has the best CPU's right now. Deneb should improve things, but not catch up to i7. Still, AMD chipsets and ATI GPU's make a total package that fits into my budget when I upgrade.

Thunderman's mantra is "AMD4Life" but my mantra is:

"AMD triple cores for life, because no CPU should go unloved just because it's had a lobotomy".

My system:

Phenom 8750 Toliman, Gigabyte 780G, 2 gigs Kingston DDR2 800, MSI 3870x2, Antec Neo 650, Antec Nine Hundred; plus 3 legacy SATA drives and a 17' CRT.

Need to replace the old drives and the CRT. Other than that, I'm not sure I need anything else to play Mines of Moria and burn anime on data DVD's.
November 20, 2008 7:28:31 AM

piesquared said:
Troll? You want to see what trolling looks like, head on over here and have a look anytime, day or night, and you'll get a glimpse of what trolling is.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/AMD

To quote someone on these forums, that page made me strap on my lolerskates and head over to my roflcopter :pt1cable: 

GO THUNDERTROLL! :bounce: 
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November 20, 2008 1:24:45 PM

Malovane said:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/neha...

i7 965 apparently draws more power than a QX9770. A lot more.

http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3456&p=4

Shanghai power consumption is quite a bit lower, and still performs better than Intels latest and greatest server chips.

Will i7 be enough to dethrone AMD's performance per watt advantage? At this very moment, not really.

It will be some time before Intel launches i7 for servers, however.. so there is tweaking yet to be done on their end. AMD will likely implement HKMG in its processes before then, though (1H 2009 IIRC), so we'll see. It should be a competitive race.



i was gonna mention that. i wonder if the reason amd is being used AT ALL is because they are much more power efficient processors than their competition. other than that yea the i7 is pretty much going to rape AMD from this list. oh well.
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