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need help with friends pc build please, asap

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November 21, 2008 2:06:09 AM

*needs to be from ncix as i can drive there, and $750 is the absolute top for this guy

ok he is planning on doing video editting and maybe a little gaming but probably very little. i really dont know what to add, this is what iv got so far.

*iv been out of the hardware world for a good while, probably since december when i finished up my own pc.

anyways this is what iv got so far:

**(apparently i am retarded and am unable to tell for sure if this is 4gb, im fairly certain it is but idk?? also since he is doing video editing i would think 8gb would be a necessity correct?? but if that is true i thought xp could only use up to 3.5 gb or something like that)
ram- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24038&promoi...

dvd drive- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=31940&vpn=GH...

mobo- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30418&vpn=P5...

psu- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18184&vpn=OC...

gpu- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=31195&manufa...

**(this is the big problem i think idk why its still so high priced...)**
cpu- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22211&vpn=BX...

**(he wants a legit one for some reason)**
os- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=6526&vpn=N09...

**(i really want to get 2 of these in there somehow)**
hard drive- http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34984&promoi...


still needs the following:

- a basic case in there with good air flow, please cheap is good
- cpu heatsink


thanks a bunch everyone :) 




***edit- he originally wanted to buy this but i insisted i could build something for roughly the same price which would be far superior. http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=092...

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November 21, 2008 2:13:19 AM

** i also am wondering how much of a part the gpu plays in video editing as i could save perhaps $20 there by getting something cheaper as he isnt into games really.
November 21, 2008 2:19:06 AM

*ok apparently he wont be playing any games just sos u know
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November 21, 2008 2:38:40 AM

please....
November 21, 2008 2:41:06 AM

Anything over 3 gigs wont be used on a 32bit system, youll need a 64 bit OS. Getting a quad will currently help him more, unless he wants to fork out some serious monies for vid editing, and using the faster gpu path
November 21, 2008 2:46:29 AM

welll ,generally speaking ,,a gaming machine and a graphics system are almost identical,in that they will both have very good graphic capabilities ,lots of ram and very large hdd's,,because when editing a movie,for example there can be files that are sometimes up to two or three times the size of the original,I do not think that you guys can do it for a measly $750.00 cad maybe $1000.00c,,as for a case I personally like very large sever type cases as they do not heat up internally as fast as so called mid towers,and, do not need so many fans,and usually slower ones at that,all of the above is predicated from the position that you are going to be editing motion video,if it is still as in pictures then almost anything will do fine..:) 

November 21, 2008 2:51:09 AM

so any cheap case suggestions?? iv got a cm stacker 830 evo black and i love it but it was $200.

November 21, 2008 2:58:19 AM

No gaming = no 3870. If he is just video editing he needs to go to a hardware accelerated video card. In addition, he has no need for that motherboard; step it down a bit and put that money into the video card. As follows:

Video Card

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=4096674&vpn=...

Optical Drive

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=31940&vpn=GH...

Motherboard

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30906&vpn=GA...

PSU

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18184&vpn=OC...

OS

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=6526&vpn=N09...

4gb RAM

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23895&vpn=99...

HDD

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34984&promoi...

Case

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26048&vpn=RC...

-Cost-

738.62 after Rebates.
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November 21, 2008 3:15:45 AM

First,
Get Vista 64-bit OEM and 4 to 6GB of RAM. Don't let anyone tell you different. Get 6GB for a new Intel Core i7 (3x2GB) or 4GB for a previous dual or quad-core system.

Second,
GPU acceleration on video cards is just starting. It'll be a while so most programs still use the CPU. Most people are recommending a quad-core now though as most mainstream programs are starting to utilize them.

You really need to look at the Tomshardware charts. If you really don't care about gaming that much, start with the best CPU. Maybe spend $100 on your video card then juggle the prices based on your other parts.

Note:
When GPU acceleration does take off due to supported software you will want a good graphics card. That will be at least a year so I don't think you should worry about that at present. You can just chuck a good card in later. Your so limited in price that a Crossfire or SLI board may not be the way to go.
November 21, 2008 3:25:04 AM

750 is his max dude
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November 21, 2008 7:29:17 AM

photonboy said:
Note:
When GPU acceleration does take off due to supported software you will want a good graphics card. That will be at least a year so I don't think you should worry about that at present. You can just chuck a good card in later.

Won't even need to be a good card, once GPGPU starts really kicking off, even an 8800GT (which doesn't seem to stop dropping in price!) or equivalent will give a quad CPU a kick up the rear!
November 21, 2008 8:18:29 AM

8800GT FTW! less than a $100 double ftw! sli them and uber ftw beating all single gpu's out there for much less $ :D 
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November 21, 2008 8:51:34 AM

@Venom: Woah now! Cool your jets and calm your horses!

@OP:
As has been previously stated, for most video editing software a quad is worth considering and definately go 64bit OS with 4-8Gb of RAM.
November 21, 2008 1:50:36 PM

I want a Ferrari for $500, doesnt mean i am going to get it.
There isnt much you can do with $750 for those specs, can he hold off a few months for the 17 / Deneb releases to reduce the market price of Quads?

By the way i find your comment on having to pay for an OS deplorable.
November 21, 2008 2:38:38 PM

It depends on what he is editing. If he does it on avid then always nvidia video card never ati.If he does it premiere, ae etc whatevere he wants. If he has mc3 or cs4 go for 64 vista + 8GB meory. If he has previous versions go for xp. Also in vista must carefully choose audio card especially in editing applications.
November 21, 2008 3:11:31 PM

I wasnt very positive with that last post so ill try again :D 

When i built my rig
<----------------------
I got 2-3 pieces off eBay for vastly reduced rates.

The choices are either to pay the market value, scour for bundle/barebones deals or use eBay well. You can probably assume that if something costs $100 you can save 25-30% if you are good. However its very hard to make a general rule for such things.
November 21, 2008 3:48:30 PM



A FireGL in a video editing machine?? That's a no-no. The FireGL are professional workstation cards for hardware accelerated CAD and 3D modeling, and will not benefit this user at all.

Now, there have been several mentions of hardware GPGPU accelerated video processing. Of course, that is with very limited use in current software (so far). At the time it is determined that the user has and will use software that supports it (GPGPU), THEN he can easily drop in a compatible video card. Until that time, IMO, your best bang/buck is going to be on a quad core CPU and a motherboard with integrated video (since, as the OP says, the user will NOT be gaming) and lots of RAM with a 64-bit OS.





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November 21, 2008 4:10:47 PM

^Yeah, for what the OP will be doing, he doesn't need much of a video card. A 3d gamers card is of absolutely no use under these circumstances, and on board even would do just fine. The kick here is quad core, memory, a couple of fast HDD's.
November 21, 2008 4:26:57 PM

Going quad in non vista seems like a small waste i'd go vista x64 runs quad better. And faster hdd perferably a small fast size drive which you run the encoding on and nothing else. no SSD mainly cuz the good ones are intel for like 700 lol so that's a budget breaker.

As far as the vis card just get something cheap unless his program is baboom or something that uses nvidia cuda little benefit comes after just intial accel on decoding vid.

But i would seriously consider x64 os with lots of ram and a dedicated hdd which will only run when encoding and decoding also if possible a better quad.

600w seems like a lot imo 500w even 400w would do esp if not extreme oc.
November 21, 2008 6:18:27 PM

Quad
M/B with integrated video
4-8GB Ram
Vista x64
400-500W psu
November 21, 2008 6:56:52 PM

maverick7 said:
so any cheap case suggestions?? iv got a cm stacker 830 evo black and i love it but it was $200.


Hey i recomend the Antec Nine Hundred Case, you can find on newegg for about 100 bucks. Heres a link to it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....
I recently purchased it and it is a very good case, infact when i did 3d mark 08 under the most popular cases the Nine Hundred was the #1 most popular, mainly because it is high quality for a low price.
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