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1 8600GT vs. 1 or 2 9600GSO in a Penryn1600SLI-110dB

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September 26, 2008 8:56:41 PM

Hey all,

I have a PCIe x16 EVGA 8600GT with 512MB DDR2 RAM. I have an ASRock Penryn1600SLI-110dB LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

equipped with a 2.2 GHz Pentium Dual Core and 4 sticks of 1GB PC800 DDR2 RAM.

I am thinking of getting two PCIe 2.0 x16 EVGA 9600GSO with 384MB GDDR3 RAM (dual slot), but I know that
1. My MoBo is only PCIe 1.0, and
2. It's SLI capability is limited to both running at x8

So, I'm wondering...will I notice any better performance out of the two 9600GSOs than with the one 8600GT, especially considering my MoBo? If I were to consider selling my MoBo and picking up one that could handle 2 PCIe 2.0 at x16, would that make enough of a difference to be worth the trouble? If so, anyone have any cost-effective recommendations?

On a side note, I also have 2 7300GT cards, so I'm curious if I'd get anything worthwhile out of SLI'ing them or if I should just give them to friends.

Thanks for the help!

Luke
September 26, 2008 9:03:02 PM

2 9600gos will blow away one 8600gt. Even single 9600gso is enough to give you a significant boost over 8600gt.
September 26, 2008 9:06:25 PM

7300GT is worthless.

The two 9600GSO's will give you a preety damn decent boost over that 8600GT, which frankly blows espically with gddr2.

The 9600GSO isnt the best card obviously, BUT.....considering you can get 2 of them for $100 ..... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... EVGA has $50 MIR for these.

I say jump on it. They wont suffer any performance loss at 8x/8x. However it is possible, more probable, that your processor will hold them back.
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September 26, 2008 9:06:51 PM

and the 8x link speed wont make a difference either. i have the same mobo 650i SLI and had 2 9800GT. they ran at 8x link/bus speed. i found a forum where a guy explained the difference between 8x and 16x and he said that 16x is 100% and 8x speed is 95%, so your ok with SLI at 8x speed it run just as good as 16x speed SLI because you wont/cant notice 5% difference.
September 26, 2008 9:11:59 PM

Quote:
So, I'm wondering...will I notice any better performance out of the two 9600GSOs than with the one 8600GT, especially considering my MoBo? If so, anyone have any cost-effective recommendations?

Well... one GSO will be faster than two 8600GTs. So obviously two would smoke the hell out of the 8600GTs.

One more thing to consider: The 9600GSO is just another one of Nvidia renaming. The original card was the 8800GS. Be sure to look at them too, if that is the type of card you are considering. Directly compare them by core and memory clock speed since they are identical in technology.

take a look at this one... it was the fastest of those cards I could find for the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quote:
I am thinking of getting two PCIe 2.0 x16 EVGA 9600GSO with 384MB GDDR3 RAM (dual slot), but I know that
1. My MoBo is only PCIe 1.0, and
2. It's SLI capability is limited to both running at x8

Concerning the PCIe 1.0 at 8x, I am sure that it won't be that much of a problem. Especially considering the cards you are running. I had two 8800GTs (need more bandwidth than 9600GSOs) and saw in extremely small increase in performance (less than a percent... well within testing error) from going from dual 8x to dual 16x on PCIe 1.0. Definitely a non-issue...
September 26, 2008 9:15:51 PM

Yeah, that deal on NewEgg is precisely why I'm thinking about it. That, and with the coupon code VGA92613 you get an additional $14 off. So, yeah, I can have a pair of these for $72 (assuming I get a friend to get me the second one and give me the rebate check).
September 26, 2008 9:23:24 PM

julian tempest said:
Yeah, that deal on NewEgg is precisely why I'm thinking about it. That, and with the coupon code VGA92613 you get an additional $14 off. So, yeah, I can have a pair of these for $72 (assuming I get a friend to get me the second one and give me the rebate check).


Jump on that man. No hesitation. Seriously, at that price for 2 of these cards youve set yourself up a preety damn decent build.
September 26, 2008 9:28:26 PM

Well in SLI, those things will be pretty quick. Expect GeForce 260-like performance. To be honest, those cards are architecturally superior to the 9600GT, 32 more shaders. The reason that it under performs the 9600GT becuase of its memory bandwidth limitation. It has a 192-bit memory bus, while the 9600GT has 256-bit one. The only time this limitation really comes out is when you enable anti-aliasing, otherwise the 192-bit bus should cut it... along with the 384 MB of ram. Just keep that in mind when you are analyzing this purchase.

Running anti-aliasing at any level when the resolution breaks 16xx x 10xx is just silly to me. But, I guess I could on my 8800GTX Ultra if I need to (which I don't ever, except for GRID... which is the reason I am trying to sell my card for an ATi 48xx series).
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2008 9:36:29 PM

^ big agree, 1 9600GSO will smack the 8600GT away from the table, 2 in SLI will send it to bed.
September 26, 2008 9:42:36 PM

Not to rain in your parade, but rebates ar generally 1 per household.

Your better off getting a 4850, or 4870.
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2008 9:45:56 PM

If that's the case, have your friend buy one, you buy one, give him the $$ for the second problem solved.
September 26, 2008 9:56:04 PM

^this

When it comes to rebates, there is always a way around it. Jump on those 2 GSO's Julian. Just make sure your PSU can handle it as a final note.
September 26, 2008 10:06:15 PM

WOW! that is an amazing deal for those video cards...if you have the $200 upfront, buy them now...and expect the checks in around 8-10 weeks (ugh...i hate how they take soo effing long to arrive)...
a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2008 10:14:50 PM

Or if you have it, I think I saw a deal the other night for 2 9600gt cards, pny brand in a combo for like 160 after rebate, might be another option as well.
September 26, 2008 10:16:39 PM

ahslan said:
WOW! that is an amazing deal for those video cards...if you have the $200 upfront, buy them now...and expect the checks in around 8-10 weeks (ugh...i hate how they take soo effing long to arrive)...


That's the point. They get revenue out of you. It's like borrowing money, but without interest. :na: 
a c 106 U Graphics card
September 27, 2008 3:48:33 AM

If you SLI those two 7300GT it will be about the same as that 8600GT. Big whoop. Anyway I don't think that 9600GSO will be too limited by the 8x bandwidth. Unless you're going to get them really cheap though, you're better off just getting a single 8800GT. Two 9600GSOs mighnt be slightly faster, but unless you can get them dirt cheap it would cost more than a single 8800GT and you can add another 8800GT latter and SLi them.
September 27, 2008 6:22:55 PM

Megaman, its been said like 10 times in this thread he IS getting them dirt cheap, come on. 2 of them for only $72.
September 27, 2008 6:42:18 PM

He will get them dirt cheap if he jumps through hoops to get both rebates, and if both rebates actually come someday. Rebates arent a garantee. Most noobs cant even install a Intel heatsink let alone fill out the damn rebate correctly.

If you got $200 to spend today you should buy the best card $200 can afford.
September 27, 2008 10:58:30 PM

You know, implying that OP can't even fill out a rebate correctly ("Most noobs cant even install a Intel heatsink let alone fill out the damn rebate correctly.") is rather insulting, isn't it?
September 27, 2008 11:00:17 PM

dagger said:
You know, implying that OP can't even fill out a rebate correctly ("Most noobs cant even install a Intel heatsink let alone fill out the damn rebate correctly.") is rather insulting, isn't it?


Not to mention its already been discussed as to how hes gonna get around the "1 rebate per household" thing. The OP has his bases covered, and im sure he knows how to fill out the "damn rebate correctly".
September 30, 2008 4:02:04 PM

So yeah, I got one, but they sold out before my friend got a chance to buy one. So I set up an auto-notify for when they got more. Turns out NewEgg sent such a notification yesterday...while I was studying for an exam and thus didn't get until today. But they're already sold out again and won't get more until Oct 3rd...after the rebate period has ended.

And there's a guy on eBay selling them for $80. Without the UPC.

>.<

Ah well. At least I got one, which aught to be hella better than my 8600GT.
September 30, 2008 8:37:55 PM

dagger said:
You know, implying that OP can't even fill out a rebate correctly ("Most noobs cant even install a Intel heatsink let alone fill out the damn rebate correctly.") is rather insulting, isn't it?



Sorry if i hit a nerve. I didn't know you didn't know you didn't know how to install a Push pin cooler, my bad.
September 30, 2008 8:38:47 PM

Okay, need a bit more advice. As previously mentioned, I only got one thanks to being a tad too slow.

So it turns out that NewEgg is offering the single-slot version of the same card for $37 after coupon code, rebate, and free shipping. I can SLI this, and I'm not concerned with the extra buck. Also, since this is a different rebate, I can order one without the help of a friend.

But I don't like going with the single-slot version. I'd really rather vent all the heat directly out of the computer. It makes the most sense.

So, I figure I can SLI the one I'm getting and one of these, or I can stick with the one I've got and pick up another dual slot version when I can get it under $50 again.

What do you think? Does the single vs. dual slot make as much of a difference as I think, or am I just being overly obsessive?

Thanks!
September 30, 2008 8:46:07 PM

Heh. No offense taken. Rebate forms do suck; they're practically engineered to screw people. ****, I got an OCZ product once on rebate that required the form to be postmarked within 12 calendar days of the purchase date.

I'm somewhat of a noob. I'm a computer professional (tech, software, and engineer), but I've never played with pimping out machines for gaming. I've put together a decent system and plan to overclock it some, which is something else I'm going to have to figure out (and yes, I already got a better power supply [a 700W modular Thermaltake] and CPU heatsink [an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 pro]).
September 30, 2008 8:50:58 PM

Do what ever you will be happy with.

I got a real lucky deal today.

I got a P5Q Deluxe, a q6600, and 4G of ram for $300. I plan on buying a 4850 or 2, I dont play games so 2 will most likely be way overkill.
September 30, 2008 8:53:46 PM

Dont go with the single slot one, its not worth the noise and extra heat.
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