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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 06:12:17 PM

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NZXT ROGUE Crafted Series BLACK ROGUE w. BLUE LED Black Aluminum MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case

NZXT ROGUE Crafted Series BLACK ROGUE w. BLUE LED Black Aluminum MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811146043
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy


$30.00 Mail-in Rebate


$149.99

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POWERCOLOR AX4870 512MD5-H Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

POWERCOLOR AX4870 512MD5-H Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814131113
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy


$30.00 Mail-in Rebate


$284.99

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G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231122
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

-$40.00 Instant



$219.98
$139.98
($69.99 each)

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DFI LP JR P45-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P45 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

DFI LP JR P45-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P45 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813136055
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy




$164.99

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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115041
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy




$329.99

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ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835186134
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$24.99

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ABS Tagan BZ Series BZ900 900W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Patent Piperock Modular Power Supply
ABS Gift - 4GB USB Flash Drive

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ABS Tagan BZ Series BZ900 900W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Patent Piperock Modular Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817814013
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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ABS Gift - 4GB USB Flash Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16800999078
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

-$16.99 Combo



$286.98
$269.99

I saw a review somewhere saying that this case could hold an 8800 gtx, and that the HD 4570 was about as long as that.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 06:31:28 PM
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1. What resolution is your monitor and what is the useage of the computer?
2. also if gaming what kind of games?
3. what is your typical computer change (meaning build another in a few years don't really change what i have, upgrade my current, not much upgrading except maybe new or additional gpu)?
4. Opinion/Plans to crossfire and if so how soon?
5. Opinion/plans to overclock (if so a little, medium, a whole lot)?
6. Budget?
this will help with suggestions that are catered to your specific needs.

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IH8U   09-02-2008 at 06:33:46 PM
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The case size is fine, However that PSU is not only overkill but there are better out there for less. Examples:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817379006
$140 (Zalman I use one with a 9800 GX2)(750W Modular)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341013
$160 (800W OCZ)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817703009
$165 (750W PC P&C)

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 06:35:52 PM
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yes hd4850 should fit. but need other answers for more recommendations (i think i have a few). :)

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evongugg   09-02-2008 at 06:36:35 PM
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I recommend this cooler if it fits:

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233003

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 67-12.html

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233019

don't forget to order the retention bracket because push pin mounting sucks.

otherwise

Top 5 Low Profile Heatsinks on Frostytech

http://www.frostytech.com/top5_low [...] tsinks.cfm


Message edited by evongugg on 09-02-2008 at 06:39:47 PM
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evongugg   09-02-2008 at 06:37:30 PM
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Get a Corsair PSU or an AMD certified one:

ATI Radeon HD 4870 System Requirements

500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products.

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon [...] ments.html

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:02:14 PM
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1. 24 inch Dell Screen.
2. FPSes, RTSes (Crysis, UT3, World in Conflict)
3. Upgrading from a Conroe 2.60 ghz processor, an Asus p5g m-atx motherboard (not overclockable), and a 9600 gt video card.
4. Plan to crossfire once HD 4570 price falls below 200 USD
5. Want to over clock to about 3.4 ghz (DFI LP JR is apparently the best m-atx motherboard out there for gamers.)
6. Budget of 1295 include next day shipping.

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:08:59 PM
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Also need the psu to be modular so it doesn't stick out of the back of my case.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:15:22 PM
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at that budget you are spending an awful lot on cpu. but it is a good one so will try to work with it.

crossifre: that resolution is sort of in the middle for the p45 crossfire. meaning. x8/x8 is how that does crossfire vs the x16/x16 for the x48 mobo. on resolutions under 1920x1200 there wasn't much difference and on resolutions over 1920x1200 there was a large difference. and at your resolution there was a difference but not huge. but if you are crossfiring soon it might be worth it to spend more on that mobo. now not sure when price will be that low (under $200) so at that point it might make more sense to get a newer better card who knows so you will have to make that decision.

places to save $:
you don't need 8gb of ram. get 1 set of 2x2 and if you need 8gb later it will be cheaper then anyhow. so that is $70 savings (about enough to upgrade mobo)

antec 900 is $10 cheaper and a very cool case (temp) for overclocking. antec 1200 is even better and about as cool (temp) as you can get but it is $30 more than your current choice.

corsair 750w pus is only $110 after rebate saving you $160. If you do that and drop ram you can get better case and mobo made for crossfire.
edit - also pc power and cooling has rebate so their 750w is only $120 great deal.

+1 on cpu cooler recommendation above.


Message edited by bdollar on 09-02-2008 at 07:26:46 PM
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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:22:00 PM
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didn't see your post. my changes would allow corsair psu to be used. but if you keep that case then a modular one that is good is:

ocz 700w has $30 mail in rebate so $90 after rebates.

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:22:40 PM
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Already bought case, so will have to work with it.
Heart set on mAtx, and the current mobo is the most advanced I can currently find in the mAtx format.


Message edited by Meepish on 09-02-2008 at 07:31:28 PM
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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:32:29 PM
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ok. save money on the ocz psu. that is $180 savings plus $70 on the ram is $250. that would basically allow you to get a 4870x2 and not have to crossfire later thus not losing anything from the x8/x8 combo? 700w should be plenty for one x2 just not two of them.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:35:34 PM
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also didn't see hdd or dvd rom. do you already have those?

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:38:02 PM
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I'm good on a CD/DVD RW drive, but all of those money savers left me with about 200 free dollars. Any suggestions?

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:39:20 PM
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I am a bit afraid of how large the 4870 X2 is, and again, the space issues come up. Any thoughts?

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:44:16 PM
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may want to find out on gpu. the write up i read makes it seem like there is room. it says "Support for high end large video expansion cards"

and the x2 does have its own fan to help keep it cooler. if you were planning to crossfire it anyway you were planning on fitting 2 4870s right?

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:51:41 PM
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if you don't have a hdd or are looking to upgrade. right now the best price per gb is the wd6400aaks. it is 640gb for $85 and a very fast drive.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:53:39 PM
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there is also no rule you have to spend every penny. if you want to save some $$ then go with 4870 and decide down the road if you need more. on 1920x1200 4870 should do what you need. then down the road you decide pricewise if it makes more sense to get new card or add 4870 on x8/x8.

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:54:19 PM
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I'm going to try and make some room for this, I found some 800 mhz 2gb each ram in my former computer and can use that.

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 07:54:41 PM
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Wait, nevermind, 667.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 07:58:16 PM
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how much are you off by? if my changes saved you $250 and the 4870 is $285 that comes to $535. Don't they run $540 - $560?

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 08:02:50 PM
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New List (In places that I couldnt find the product, I used a comparable substitute):
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SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102768
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy




$559.99

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RAIDMAX RX-700SS 700W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply

RAIDMAX RX-700SS 700W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817152030
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate


$109.99
$99.99

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G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231122
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

-$40.00 Instant



$109.99
$69.99

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DFI LP JR P45-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P45 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

DFI LP JR P45-T2RS LGA 775 Intel P45 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813136055
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy




$164.99

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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115041
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy




$329.99

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XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835233003
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy




$34.99

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XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
Item #: N82E16835233019
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy




$6.99

Subtotal: $1,266.93

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 08:18:28 PM
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don't get raidmax psu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341002

here is the link. very important on PSU to get a good brand. companies are not consistent on their wattage and some use peaks. if you can't get this specific one then drop down a little to get a good brand (corsair, pc power and cooling, antec). with a single x2 you are good with a good power supply down to 600w. even lower probably but i like to error on the side of more rather then less.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 08:19:26 PM
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by the way. that build is going to kill at 1920x1200. should be able to really enjoy it for awhile. have fun!

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 08:32:43 PM
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Will it fit in my case without any hesiation or sticking out?

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 08:33:17 PM
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Still coming in under budget...nice.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 08:47:40 PM
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it's modular.

are there specific specs you need it to be?

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 08:48:22 PM
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also as far as budget. what hdd are you using? that 640gb one is a good one if you need one?

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Meepish   09-02-2008 at 11:36:42 PM
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750 gb seagate 7,200 rpm.

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bdollar   09-02-2008 at 11:45:49 PM
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they make a lot of different ones ranging from $100 - $160. not sure which one you are getting (or if you have it). but if spending $160 you could get two wd 640gb for almost the same price. :) :)

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