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November 23, 2009 4:16:14 PM

I have a e6400 with an asus p5l-mx MB & 2 GB ram ddr2 666 MHz --------------------------
I want to upgrade so i can Overclock my system over 3000 MHz, at least.
Here is my specs of what i hope to get;I wanted to stay around $350 with this spending

MB = not sure yet maybe asus p5b deluxe $150
RAM = ddr2 4GB 1200 MHz $100
FAN = arctic freezer pro $30
CPU = not sure maybe quad core $100

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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 24, 2009 3:46:44 PM

whats the question(s) ?
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November 24, 2009 3:59:12 PM

Rustyy117 said:
whats the question(s) ?





well do these specs sound realistic ?

i went shopping for the p5b around my home seems the pc stores don't carry it, though i guess i could buy on ebay,or new egg..but is it worth it or is there a better OC Board

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a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2009 12:14:24 AM

Well its hard to nail down a price when you don't list any real specs or parts. You are looking to get a system with a 3 gig processor and 4 gigs of ram?

Or are you looking overclock what you have to 3.0?

If you want a 3.0 system I would just start with a 3.0 processor if you are buying new.

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November 25, 2009 1:58:51 AM

paul mohr said:
Well its hard to nail down a price when you don't list any real specs or parts. You are looking to get a system with a 3 gig processor and 4 gigs of ram?

Or are you looking overclock what you have to 3.0?

If you want a 3.0 system I would just start with a 3.0 processor if you are buying new.


can you go and reread what i posted

ttry work with me here... i want the 3 g but also want to be able OC it higher ..i supppose the variable would be what MB would afford me that obective in that range
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a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2009 1:16:44 PM

If you have $350 buy these two things and use the rest of your current hardware.
ASUS P5KPL-AM SE LGA 775 Intel G31 Intel Motherboard = $55
Intel e8400 CPU = $67

No overcloking needed, you will be at 3 Ghz on a 1333 fsb (stock speed)

Or if you want to learn overclock and want to start cheap and again use the rest of your current system
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 = $90
Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz = $73

This combo will get an overclcok of 3.33 GHz qith very little effort.



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November 25, 2009 5:47:03 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
If you have $350 buy these two things and use the rest of your current hardware.
ASUS P5KPL-AM SE LGA 775 Intel G31 Intel Motherboard = $55
Intel e8400 CPU = $67

No overcloking needed, you will be at 3 Ghz on a 1333 fsb (stock speed)

Or if you want to learn overclock and want to start cheap and again use the rest of your current system
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 = $90
Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz = $73

This combo will get an overclcok of 3.33 GHz qith very little effort.



I appreciate your help thanks !

like to mention i am gonna overclock no matter what speed cpu is :p  but nice to get high as i can 1st
OK if i go for the ASUS P5KPL-AM SE would that be good enough to OC a quad core up to 4Ghz later on?
and what advantages does a quad have over the core 2 if both were at same speed?

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a b K Overclocking
November 25, 2009 7:09:12 PM

Welcome to TH where you can benefit from the corporate club knowledge of overclockers found here.

If you're serious, start reading links, start researching what CPU cooler you'll want/need.... etc....

You'll want the Gigabyte board for overclocking. Asus P45 boards are also good.
Forget the Asus P5KPL.
95% percent of games don't benefit from a quadcore, dual core is better for gaming so why waste the two other cores.
If you're apps perform better with a quad core, the go with a quad core, otherwise save money and start with the e8400 if you want to see 4.0 Ghz.
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a c 197 K Overclocking
November 26, 2009 2:32:07 PM

james67 said:
... to OC a quad core up to 4Ghz later on?

That will depend a lot on the characteristics (primarily VID) of the chip. There's no guarantee that you are going to get a Q9550 or Q9650 up to 4 GHz. with stability. Your choice of case and HSF will also be a factor.
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November 26, 2009 5:01:35 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
Welcome to TH where you can benefit from the corporate club knowledge of overclockers found here.

If you're serious, start reading links, start researching what CPU cooler you'll want/need.... etc....

You'll want the Gigabyte board for overclocking. Asus P45 boards are also good.
Forget the Asus P5KPL.
95% percent of games don't benefit from a quadcore, dual core is better for gaming so why waste the two other cores.
If you're apps perform better with a quad core, the go with a quad core, otherwise save money and start with the e8400 if you want to see 4.0 Ghz.



i do 2 things mostly .. work with large format graphics up to 36" wide & play a few online 1st person warfare game
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November 26, 2009 5:04:19 PM

jsc said:
That will depend a lot on the characteristics (primarily VID) of the chip. There's no guarantee that you are going to get a Q9550 or Q9650 up to 4 GHz. with stability. Your choice of case and HSF will also be a factor.



i was wishful thinking on that but the idea is to have a board i can jump the spectrum when time comes for upgrade without needing to much hardware later on.


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a b K Overclocking
November 26, 2009 5:47:10 PM

Q9400 or Q9550 ($190 - $230) is what you're looking at and still be able to use the rest of your system components. You don't want to go cheap on the CPU with a $100 quad core.

Then add GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 = $90
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November 27, 2009 12:03:57 AM

hundredislandsboy said:
Q9400 or Q9550 ($190 - $230) is what you're looking at and still be able to use the rest of your system components. You don't want to go cheap on the CPU with a $100 quad core.

Then add GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 = $90


ok good plan ty
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 8:34:48 AM

Why are you telling him to upgrade to a C2Q, when s775 is dead, theres no more upgrade path.
Just save up alittle bit more and go s1156, a core i5 750 will perform better than a C2Q, and theres an upgrade path for 1156

~Just think it through.
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a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 11:36:00 AM

Rustyy117 said:
Why are you telling him to upgrade to a C2Q, when s775 is dead, theres no more upgrade path.
Just save up alittle bit more and go s1156, a core i5 750 will perform better than a C2Q, and theres an upgrade path for 1156

~Just think it through.



If it's necessary for him to upgrade now so he's not wasting over half his time with the old e6400, he needs to get a quadcore to cut his wait to less than half. Why 775 socket? His budget.

If he wants to stick to the budget and not have to get new RAM.
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a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 11:40:13 AM

an i5 costs $200 the q9550 currently on sale at $220 and the q9650 is $320
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a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 1:24:19 PM

You guys do have a point to steer him to an i5 system:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3L LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard

$100 for an 1156 mobo

- G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 -

$70 for 4 Gigs RAM
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$180 left for an i5 processor
- not gonna make the budget - need $20 more for


Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB

But!! The extra $20 will be worth it since the i5-750 is (probably) anywhere between 3 to 9 percent faster although the Q9550 is pretty snappy, quick with the 12 mb cache.

If I was you, I'd break the budget and go for the i5 but as for the Ghz increase you were looking for, others here with more experience might be able to chime in how that Gigabyte budget board can overclock.




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a b K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 2:10:21 PM

or he can look into a phenom x4 system
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a c 197 K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 3:01:30 PM

All right., everybody. It all depends on what the definition of "upgrade" is. (Where have I heard something like that before?)

If the goal is to use as many existing parts as possible, I have a solution that will give james about 50% more computing power for less than $100:
Gigabyte GA-G41-ES2L - about $65
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Then overclock as hard as you can.

Otherwise, james, if you are going to spend more, consider a P55 or AMD system.
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 3:07:46 PM

True AMD 3 rig or Core i5 would be sensible, I think there about the same in price and performance, althougth you could buy a AM2+ Mobo and use your DDR2 RAM and buy a phenom 2 955
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November 27, 2009 4:53:32 PM

guys guess what.. i got $500 now to spend on the upgrade. :D 

now where do i stand
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a c 197 K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 5:30:12 PM

P55.
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 27, 2009 5:35:35 PM

oh and use that change to get a good cooler for your Core i5 750 :) 
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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 4:05:30 AM

Open Box usually means you have 30 days to RMA if the product is not satisfactory.

That's a gaming board btw.
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 7:52:14 AM

oh my dizzy dizzy days, I might aswell talk to a brick wall.......

Theres no helping some people.... :( 
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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 8:48:24 AM

Rustyy117 said:
oh my dizzy dizzy days, I might aswell talk to a brick wall.......

Theres no helping some people.... :( 


Round and round we go...
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 9:51:37 AM

hundredislandsboy said:
Round and round we go...

Yeah lol >.< :pt1cable: 

You do know james, that you cannot put a Core i5 750 (1156) in that Rampage motherboard (775) don't you?

Look James that Rampage 2 extreme WAS! great 2 years ago, but 775 has been and gone, Your better off with a P55 motherboard (s1156). It makes sense!

I know the Rampage is tempting with words like "Extreme" and all, but its not worth it (atleast not anymore! )
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November 28, 2009 2:16:00 PM

ok now im getting confused whats i5 ..whats a p55?
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 2:59:49 PM

*** me, I give up!
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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 4:00:39 PM

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November 28, 2009 4:20:12 PM

pc skills ya may have but teaching..that's another thing...
i guess that's the opposite of me,ya cant talk like your subject knows what you do;
..for example im thinking a 755 socket fits intell and amd is for the other boards like rampage..
you shpuld expect me to not know ...not the other way around
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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 4:47:58 PM

james67 said:
pc skills ya may have but teaching..that's another thing...
i guess that's the opposite of me,ya cant talk like your subject knows what you do;
..for example im thinking a 755 socket fits intell and amd is for the other boards like rampage..
you shpuld expect me to not know ...not the other way around

yeah we can see you enjoying your saturday :whistle: 
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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 5:20:51 PM

You can't teach the un-teachable. You can't train the un-trainable.

$500 gets you a pre-built nice quad-core, just plug in and go.

Recertified: HP Pavilion M9400F(FK790AAR#ABA) Phenom X4 9750(2.4GHz) 8GB DDR2 750GB ATI Radeon HD 3650 Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 5:51:44 PM

Ok I'll try to explain this to you, I'll completely leave out AMD to make it easier for your brain >.<....
Intel Motherboard socket types:
775 = Old technology, no upgrade path.
1156 = New technology to replace 775, Mainstream target market
1366 = High end stuff.

Right so theres no point in buying 775 anymore, and 1366 is out of your price range, so we are left with 1156.

Now on to motherboards:
Motherboards with the 775 socket include P31,P35,P45,X38,X48...only
Motherboards with the 1156 socket include P55 only.
Motherboards with the 1366 socket include X58.

So we know you need a P55 motherboard with the 1156 socket and a compatible processor.

Compatible processors:
Intel Core i5 750 In your price range
Intel Core i7 860 Too Expensive
Intel Core i7 870 Too Expensive

So now we know that you need a P55 motherboard and a Core i5 750 as both are in your price range and are compatible with each other, now we also need RAM (memory)

The P55 Motherboard support DDR3 Dual channel memory

You'll want 2x2Gig sticks of DDR3 Dual Channel memory.

I'll pray to god that you understand that


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a b K Overclocking
November 28, 2009 6:13:45 PM

james67 said:
pc skills ya may have but teaching..that's another thing...
i guess that's the opposite of me,ya cant talk like your subject knows what you do;
..for example im thinking a 755 socket fits intell and amd is for the other boards like rampage..
you shpuld expect me to not know ...not the other way around



If I may ask (please), did you build your last computer? Have you ever built a PC from scratch including fresh OS, drivers, burn tests, benchmarks, etc... ?


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November 29, 2009 10:32:04 AM

Rustyy117 said:
Ok I'll try to explain this to you, I'll completely leave out AMD to make it easier for your brain >.<....
Intel Motherboard socket types:
775 = Old technology, no upgrade path.
1156 = New technology to replace 775, Mainstream target market
1366 = High end stuff.

Right so theres no point in buying 775 anymore, and 1366 is out of your price range, so we are left with 1156.

Now on to motherboards:
Motherboards with the 775 socket include P31,P35,P45,X38,X48...only
Motherboards with the 1156 socket include P55 only.
Motherboards with the 1366 socket include X58.

So we know you need a P55 motherboard with the 1156 socket and a compatible processor.

Compatible processors:
Intel Core i5 750 In your price range
Intel Core i7 860 Too Expensive
Intel Core i7 870 Too Expensive

So now we know that you need a P55 motherboard and a Core i5 750 as both are in your price range and are compatible with each other, now we also need RAM (memory)

The P55 Motherboard support DDR3 Dual channel memory

You'll want 2x2Gig sticks of DDR3 Dual Channel memory.

I'll pray to god that you understand that





with exception to what the numbers stand for its straight forward
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November 29, 2009 10:38:33 AM

hundredislandsboy said:
If I may ask (please), did you build your last computer? Have you ever built a PC from scratch including fresh OS, drivers, burn tests, benchmarks, etc... ?


in early 90ties i built a 286 pc
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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 29, 2009 10:45:57 AM

OMG!

Thats like saying "my old intel pentimum D Dual core at 3.4ghz, is faster than my current Core i7 920 at 2.66ghz"
It just isn't that simple.

I just don't have the time or will power to explain years and years or technological changes throughout the computer hardware industry. So either do some of your own research (might take a few weeks) or just trust me.

Actually Fu*K it, If you know so little, then don't bother building your own computer, because you'll kill it with static or put the CPU in the wrong way round (somehow) or something.

Just take Hundredislandboys advice and buy a pre-built computer for your budget.
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a b K Overclocking
November 29, 2009 11:08:14 AM

Or, don't do anything, don't buy anything at all. You've waited this long already so you probably have the patience to wait those extra hours while you "work with large format graphics up to 36" wide."

Take the $500 and sign up for a PC building class at your local technical or vocational school. That seems to be the easiest way for you to learn.





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a c 126 K Overclocking
November 29, 2009 3:57:47 PM

Yeah good advice, You'll be able to get hands on experience and learn about the possible dangers....

Instead of spending $500 and learning the hard way.
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November 29, 2009 4:21:19 PM

ok do me 1 thing more..
best 775 setup for the money and best 1156 for the money
then its a matter of one or the other
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