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September 7, 2008 5:53:25 AM

hi all,


i just finished ordering my new rig and heres what it looks like:


case ANTEC Gamer Twelve Hundred w/o PSU, Unbeatable Gamer Case

Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave USB / 920-000289

PSU CORSAIR 750W, TX Series CMPSU-750TXEU, 12cm vent,ATX2 ver 2.2

DVD+RW/-RW Pioneer DVR-215DBK, SATA, Dual Layer, 20x, black, bulk

MB ASUS S775 P5Q Deluxe, FSB 1600, Intel P45, PCI-E, DDR2

Mushkin DDR2-1066 XP2-8500 4GB KIT (2x2GB) (2 kits for the total amount of 8 GB RAM)

*HDD Western Digital Caviar WD6400AAKS, S-ATA300, 640GB/16MB/7200rpm

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 BOX, 4×2.83GHz, 1333MHz, 775-pin, 12MB

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4870x2, 2GB DDR5, PCIE, TVout, DVI

Xigmatek HDT-RS1283 Red Scorpion CPU cooler

LCD TV Philips 47"pfl9603 to be used as a PC monitor




ill be using 64 bit dual boot OS (xp64, vista ultimate 64)

i should point out all games will be played on the tvs native full hd resolution (1920x1080) and ill be doing some heavy everyday multitasking as well


will there be any problems with this build or is everything well balanced ? tell me what i couldve chosen better instead
September 7, 2008 6:26:57 AM

Looks good. Did you remember the retention bracket for the RS1283?
September 7, 2008 6:36:10 AM

omg, u mean its not coming bundled in already with red scorpion? lol fukk, thx man ur a lifesaver
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September 7, 2008 9:38:09 AM

I can't see much use for XP64/Vista64 together. Makes more sense to have XP 32 with Vista 64.

Looks good otherwise.
September 7, 2008 11:30:58 AM

Looks good. Agree with Proximon - the reason to dual boot is usually for 32/64.

I would have said before you ordered that I have read that 8GB offers no benefit over 4GB of RAM.

Also would have said something similar about DDR2 800 vs DDR2 1066, but you've already ordered.

Looks like you made nice choices, besides the few little things. Have fun.
September 7, 2008 12:41:15 PM

Well, 8Gb is fine if the software you use needs it. Games don't use that much. Video editing or photo editing might.
September 7, 2008 1:28:11 PM

I've actually seen that 8GB rarely makes a difference unless you turn off the page file in Windows (which can prove to be a problem since some programs require it).

I can't find the article I read that had the benchmarks awhile back. I wish I would have bookmarked it.

Either way, enjoy.
September 7, 2008 9:12:14 PM

Proximon said:
I can't see much use for XP64/Vista64 together. Makes more sense to have XP 32 with Vista 64.

Looks good otherwise.


huron said:
Looks good. Agree with Proximon - the reason to dual boot is usually for 32/64.

I would have said before you ordered that I have read that 8GB offers no benefit over 4GB of RAM.

Also would have said something similar about DDR2 800 vs DDR2 1066, but you've already ordered.

Looks like you made nice choices, besides the few little things. Have fun.


Proximon said:
Well, 8Gb is fine if the software you use needs it. Games don't use that much. Video editing or photo editing might.




yeah, ur both right, its for 32/64 dual boot, ive seen a few users hit a 5-6 gigabyte usage on vista with multitasking all day without restarting, those 8 gigs r only fail-safe feature i decided to implement, makes me sleep easier lol

anyone had any experience with NCQ on WD 640 gb?

also, how far do u think ill be able to push q9550 on air without worrying about it melting down?


September 8, 2008 9:36:49 PM

Good choice on the 8GB of RAM, especially since the next version of photoshop will probably be 64-bit only as an excuse to eat up huge amounts of RAM. Also alot of older apps that run in 32-bit will take up double the space. This happens because they are requesting 32-bit words in a 64-bit system, so when they request memory the OS puts asside twice as much since each 64-bit location is only half empty with a 32-bit value.
September 8, 2008 9:44:00 PM

very nice build.

wd 640gb is a great drive. best price per gb you will find and fast. ncq is a benefit. i think you will be very happy with it. haven't had any issues.

+1 to retention bracket, well worth $7. :)  :) 

you might want to look into the page file stuff on vista. have heard you can have some pretty nice gains by adjusting that since you have the ram.

that case and the xigmatek should keep everything nice and cool 4870x2 also has the exhaust. so all of that combined should keep it nice in there. don't think you are going to have temp problems.

if you are going to push the q9550 just do it incrementally and test it and the temp. but you should be able to push it pretty good with that set up.
September 9, 2008 6:25:49 AM

OK heres the thing , Xigmatek Red Scorpion is outta stock till the end of the month so a guy in the store is offering me OCZ Vendetta 2 instead

should i wait for Scorpion or go with OCZ Vendetta 2 ?


i cant get mushkin kits so the guy offers me 2 x Corsair DDR2-1066 TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF 4GB KIT (2x2GB) instead, whats the loss/benefit ?



update: went with OCZ Vendetta 2 and Corsair ram, it should be here by thursday afternoon, hope i havent made a mistake

do u think there will be problems installing Vendetta 2 on a P5Q deluxe mobo, will it block any dimm slots?

btw do i need a retention bracket for OCZ Vendetta 2? coz ive read the push-pin system is abnormally tight
September 9, 2008 1:48:14 PM

corsair ram is good. i don't think you will have any issue with that.

i haven't used that cooler. but the vendetta 2 is the one with the 120mm not the 90mm right?

mounting will probably be a pain in the a** because i'm pretty sure push pins are your only option. just make sure you get it on there right.

get some more opinions but i have heard of people using the xigmatek retention bracket. i haven't done it myself so can't give you more details but worth exploring.
September 9, 2008 9:36:40 PM

I have heard the same, that the Xigmatek bracket will work.
September 13, 2008 6:14:43 AM

do u think Corsair HX Series, CMPSU-620HXEU 620W, Modular would be enough for my build?

also, why is corsair 750 w better than chieftec 750 and vice versa?

September 13, 2008 2:05:53 PM

i think 620w is pushing it. probably enough. me personally, i like to error on the side of a litle more power in case i want to add anything in the future. or if i look to upgrade. i don't think the 750w is that much more anyhow is it? corsair and pc power and cooling are leaders in the psu industry. they make great psus that you can't go wrong with.
September 13, 2008 2:45:47 PM

x3mgamer said:
do u think Corsair HX Series, CMPSU-620HXEU 620W, Modular would be enough for my build?

also, why is corsair 750 w better than chieftec 750 and vice versa?


While the 620 is probably enough, you happen to have the guys that favor more responding to your thread. Others will tell you to just get the 620W.

It's a really big question about the relative quality of PSUs. You have to understand that a PSU is actually a fairly complicated thing. When they are made poorly, they will run too hot, or loud, or the DC current they produce will not be stable enough causing your computer to have mysterious problems. You can't really tell for yourself what is good, and you cannot trust 90% of the reviews you find with a google.

Really bad PSUs can even fail spectacularly, taking your hardware with them.

Really, the main site for PSU reviews is http://jonnyguru.com/ .

Sorry, I don't know of many modular units right now. There is some patent litigation going on, and many of the quality PSU makers are shying away from modular cables for that reason.

I have to say I favor the 750TX as well.
September 13, 2008 8:58:59 PM

much appreciated guys, i trust toms hardware a lot, what if i decided to go with 1000 w PSU, does that mean it would drain 1 kilowatt of power each hour or what? why do ppl say ur electricity bill will rise with more powerful PSU


if my components drain 520 watts consistently, itll stay 520 watts on a 650 w psu and a 1000 w psu, nothing changes, those components still drain the same amount of power no matter the strength of PSU right?
September 13, 2008 10:47:23 PM

Yep a quality PSU is efficient at normal loads, regardless of it's wattage rating. If your components were actually pulling 500W, then your 80% efficient PSU would be pulling 625W or less at the wall, regardless of it's max wattage. (Your actual numbers would be lower than that by a good amount. Remember you need to add in other factors like how hard your PSU is working and how long you want it to last.)

You don't have to go to a 1K model to get a good one though...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both of those are good quality units, both modular.
September 14, 2008 6:19:37 AM

ok all components have arrived xcept PSU, corsair dominator airflow kits, and Xigmatek crossbow retention bracket those r due next week, ill grab that tv on tuesday

HD4870X2 costs 3 times as much as P5Q Deluxe mobo but for some reason im more impressed with the mobo, whats wrong with me? am i not enough of a gamer? lol



thank u for helping me choose the components, here they r in order of arrival:


Antec twelve hundred case
OCZ Vendetta 2 cooler
Corsair Dominator 1066 ram 2 kits (2x2 GB each)
HDD Seagate 640 gb 7200.11
Asus P5Q Deluxe mobo
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4870X2
Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Pioneer DVR-215DBK

now OS-wise u would all recommend Vista ultimate 64 right? is there any other way of releasing the full potential of this build?





September 15, 2008 4:34:45 AM

killer network gaming card. JUST KIDDING. :)  :) 

build looks great.

+1 to vista 64gb. i'm not the one for the advice but there may be some junk on vista to turn off to keep peak performance. another thing that could eek out some more would be a partition on the hard drive for your OS. But again, that isn't my strong area so i can't tell you how much that would help and what the positive vs. negatives would be.
September 15, 2008 7:00:37 AM

will i notice any difference between dx9 and dx10? i heard gaming was a lot more natural and immersive on dx10, any experiences?

also, is Corsair TX 750w PSU really the best 750w psu on the planet? i gotta wait till next week if it is lol
September 15, 2008 2:46:41 PM

i think dx10 is worth it. if you have the system (which you do above) to take advantage then it is pretty cool.

pc power and cooling and corsair are leaders in PSUs. you can't go wrong with either. but if where you are it is hard to get those then you may want to look at the site proximon showed you above (johnnyguru) and see what other brands rank high and pick from there. very trusted sight and would go with their recommendation in a heart beat.
September 15, 2008 9:23:09 PM

hmmm looks like it may well be the best 750 w psu out there
September 17, 2008 10:33:55 AM

ok i ordered PC POWER & COOLING SILENCER RED, 750 W
September 21, 2008 9:44:33 AM

the card is sapphire ati HD4870X2, is there any way to get the sound output to tv via hdmi cable? the card itself is connected to HDMI cable via DVI-HDMI adapter
September 21, 2008 3:47:42 PM

in other words, i managed to get the sound output to tv but i cant seem to get the sound out the computers soundcard, into an amplifier and out of another set of speakers at the same time, i can only use one playback device at the same time in control panel, sounds

the os is vista ultimate 64
September 22, 2008 6:54:13 AM

may want to post a new thread about this issue. that way the subject line will attract mainly people who should know.

how do you have each separate output connected?
September 22, 2008 8:29:58 AM

the main output is via line out on mobo, its connected via stereo cable to an amplifier which is connected to 2 speakers

the second output is ATI HD4870X2 onboard audio via dvi-hdmi adapter which is connected to tv via hdmi-hdmi cable
September 22, 2008 12:35:53 PM

ok one more question. are you running two sets of video as well to two monitor/tvs or just trying to run two different sets of audio?

1 issue is the dvi-hdmi. hdmi is just dvi + audio. so if you are running dvi (which has no audio) to hdmi adapter then sound shouldn't be included because sound isn't carried over dvi so once it hits the adapter that is only carrying the video signal. so it could be that really you only have one audio output connected? i don't think the video card has an audio output? you aren't actually getting sound with just that connection are you?
September 22, 2008 8:33:05 PM

im trying to run 2 sets of audio, im getting sound with only dvi-hdmi coz its not an ordinary card, its HD4870X2 which has sound subsystem on it and its not a usual dvi-hdmi adapter, its a special one which came with the card and it transfers audio
September 22, 2008 10:00:46 PM

ok so to make sure i understand.

1. you can get audio straight from your video card to your monitor/tv
2. you want two different sources of audio, one from video card and one from mobo at the same time
3. you can only do one or the other but not both?

is that about right or am i still missing something. :)  thanks for your patience.
September 22, 2008 10:52:31 PM

bdollar u couldnt have nailed it better, thats the exact situation im in
September 22, 2008 11:05:41 PM

wow that really seems like a setting issue. i wish i could be more help but i've always had to run through one source so personally haven't run audio out my video card and mobo at the same time. but it seems like you can set each piece of hardware run audio for the specific apps.

i think this is probably a good thing to post a new thread on in the audio section or even homebuild but with a new title to get the right people on here. i am interested in the answer too but i'm pretty sure there is a way to do that, specify which source goes with which piece of hardware.

sorry to drag this out and then not deliver a better answer then that. until i really understood I thought i could be more help. :)  best of luck and if you do post a new thread can you put the link here or send me a pm with the link so i can check out responses? thanks!!
September 23, 2008 11:19:37 AM

bdollar said:
wow that really seems like a setting issue. i wish i could be more help but i've always had to run through one source so personally haven't run audio out my video card and mobo at the same time. but it seems like you can set each piece of hardware run audio for the specific apps.

i think this is probably a good thing to post a new thread on in the audio section or even homebuild but with a new title to get the right people on here. i am interested in the answer too but i'm pretty sure there is a way to do that, specify which source goes with which piece of hardware.

sorry to drag this out and then not deliver a better answer then that. until i really understood I thought i could be more help. :)  best of luck and if you do post a new thread can you put the link here or send me a pm with the link so i can check out responses? thanks!!



hey man thx for ur help, i really appreciate it, i made a new thread about the problem in homebuilt systems

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/256098-13-sources-audio-video-card-mobo
September 23, 2008 5:46:34 PM

no problem. hopefully someone else can be a bigger help. like i said the only thing i can think of is making one default and then on a specific program/app that you are running that you want to use the other audio device go into settings or options for that app and pic the other one. but again hopefully others know more than me on this. :)  :) 

good luck! and great build!!!
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