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HD 4830 details and launch date revealed.

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October 2, 2008 4:13:00 AM

Don't think this has been posted, since I have been pretty active lately and haven't seen anything about it, so here it goes:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_HD_4830_Has_640SP,_Launch_On_Oct_21st/6070.html

ATI's performance numbers slide:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_HD_4830_Gaming_Performance_vs_GeForce_9800_GT/6072.html

I'm not too big on the way ATI makes those charts to make it look like it's as twice as fast compared to the competition, but I am pretty sure that those numbers are real and that's the kind of performance you'd come to expect from such a card. I guess this card will lock one of the two price points left for ATI to secure (sub $150) and alienate the poor 8800GT/9800GT/GT 140 (Yup, just pick your favorite name :)  ), Still waiting for ATI to release the HD 4850 X2 to finally put the GTX 280 out of it's misery.
October 2, 2008 4:35:04 AM

$150 wouldn't make sense, 9800gtx is priced at that point... and i got my 4850 for that much sooo


but if it can give the 8800gt a beating, why not =]
October 2, 2008 4:48:09 AM

that's MSRP, expect it to be priced at around the same as the 8800GT/9800GT/GT 140, since it's the direct competitor to it.
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October 2, 2008 4:56:59 AM

looks like this will be the new best buy ? I'll wait for it instead of getting 4850 :) 
a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 6:03:15 AM

The new drivers for October have a manual fan setting in them, so all this idle heat issue bunk is being dealt with
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 6:56:08 AM


@ emp,

Thats a performance per Watt chart not an actual performance chart :)  So we would expect it to look like that by now, but as you say its been done to look good.

Mactronix
October 2, 2008 11:06:57 AM

If it's priced in the 9800GT range, and provides better performance, while still giving all of the awesome HTPC functions, I think we might have a new winner for the frugal purchaser.
a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 11:24:16 AM

mactronix said:
Thats a performance per Watt chart not an actual performance chart :) 


Are you sure about that?

Quote:
AMD has prepared a slide on the Radeon HD 4830 performance vs the GeForce 9800 GT with 6 games benchmarks.




Quote:
In another slide, it stated that the Radeon HD 4830 series delivers up to 1.6x the performance per watt of AMD’s previous generation GPUs. 6.73 GigaFLOPS per Watt vs 4.10 GigaFLOPS per Watt for the HD 3850.


http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_HD_4830_Gaming_Performance_vs_GeForce_9800_GT/6072.html

From this info, it seems to be a GT killer, IMO.
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 2:59:01 PM


Thanks for pointing that out outlw6669. :) 
Sorry emp :( 

It was the bit about 1.6 x the performance per watt and then the highest point on the chart being 1.6 that threw me :pt1cable: 
Now if it had just said FPS up the side it would have helped

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 5:40:11 PM

No problem.
I had to do a double take at the chart just to be sure myself.

I gotta say that their new lineup is a hellofalot better than I thought it was going to be.
If these claims pan out, nVidia has no segment left in which to peddle their wares.
Way to make a comeback ATI :love: 
a c 106 U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 8:15:31 PM

Yeah, AMD really needs a card to fill the gap between the 4670 and the 4850. The probably means we won't see any 4700 series cards for a while.
October 2, 2008 9:39:47 PM

megamanx00 said:
Yeah, AMD really needs a card to fill the gap between the 4670 and the 4850. The probably means we won't see any 4700 series cards for a while.


But... that's just the naming scheme. The HD 4830 is what was announced to be the HD 4750. :whistle: 
October 2, 2008 10:36:27 PM

emp said:
Don't think this has been posted, since I have been pretty active lately and haven't seen anything about it, so here it goes:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_HD_4830_Has_640SP,_Launch_On_Oct_21st/6070.html

ATI's performance numbers slide:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Radeon_HD_4830_Gaming_Performance_vs_GeForce_9800_GT/6072.html

I'm not too big on the way ATI makes those charts to make it look like it's as twice as fast compared to the competition, but I am pretty sure that those numbers are real and that's the kind of performance you'd come to expect from such a card. I guess this card will lock one of the two price points left for ATI to secure (sub $150) and alienate the poor 8800GT/9800GT/GT 140 (Yup, just pick your favorite name :)  ), Still waiting for ATI to release the HD 4850 X2 to finally put the GTX 280 out of it's misery.


Those numbers are fake. Take that scale, plug into existing benchmarks of 4870, using 9800gt/8800gt as constant, and that 4830 outperforms 4870. :na: 
October 2, 2008 10:45:30 PM

NVIDIA has had it too good for too long with their G92's! Granted, it really is a great core, but its time for ATI to be back for the crown of everything :D . Before you know it we'll be reliving the FX5000 series all over again :p 

The way I see it, here are the matchups:

The HD4870 giving the 9800GTX+ and original GTX260 a beating.
The HD4850 giving awesome performance, and giving the 9800GTX and 8800GTS a beating.
The HD4670 is a serious contender with the 8800GS/9600GSO, and gives the 8600GTS a beating.
The HD4650 kills everything 8600GT/9500GT and below....

But what is missing is the killer of the popular 9600GT and 8800GT cards... I believe the HD4830 will do just that :) 

lol @ that graph outlw, gotta love marketing graphs. After giving the seemingly bogus graph a second look.... I get it hehe.
October 2, 2008 10:56:10 PM

doomsdaydave11 said:
NVIDIA has had it too good for too long with their G92's! Granted, it really is a great core, but its time for ATI to be back for the crown of everything :D . Before you know it we'll be reliving the FX5000 series all over again :p 

The way I see it, here are the matchups:

The HD4870 giving the 9800GTX+ and original GTX260 a beating.
The HD4850 giving awesome performance, and giving the 9800GTX and 8800GTS a beating.
The HD4670 is a serious contender with the 8800GS/9600GSO, and gives the 8600GTS a beating.
The HD4650 kills everything 8600GT/9500GT and below....

But what is missing is the killer of the popular 9600GT and 8800GT cards... I believe the HD4830 will do just that :) 

lol @ that graph outlw, gotta love marketing graphs. After giving the seemingly bogus graph a second look.... I get it hehe.


There is a major flaw with all of your comparisons:
4870 also cost more than 9800gtx+ and gtx260
4850 also cost more than 9800gtx and 8800gts
4670 also cost more than 8800gs/9600gso, and in this case, also perform slightly lower
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4670/2...

Nvidia responds to everything ATI throws at it with a price drop. I just hope ATI would break out some more firepower so Nvidia can break the piggy bank. Good for us consumers. :na: 

We don't want a 4830 weakling. Give us the 5870x2. :D 
a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2008 11:47:33 PM

As nVidia prices drop, just like AMDs cpus, done on a larger node, their profits plummet, whereas ATI has room to lower their prices if needed at thier lower process. All but the + card, everything is on 65nm, and even at 55nm, the dies from nVidia are still alot larger than ATIs. nVidia is doing what they can to hold marketshare, but its not working, and all the while theyre losing money, or projected monies for sure, in the interim, the 4xxx series mobile will be released before years end, taking care of that market, and theres nothing nVidia can do about most of this until may-june of next year. Atop of all that, they still have to slug off all their 65nm parts as they transition to 55
October 2, 2008 11:59:16 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
As nVidia prices drop, just like AMDs cpus, done on a larger node, their profits plummet, whereas ATI has room to lower their prices if needed at thier lower process.


Bah! Screw Nvidia. I don't care about their profits. So long as we get our good deals. How long do you think it will take for 9800gx2 to drop below $200? :D 
a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2008 12:12:31 AM

So thats what youre wanting eh? heheh, you greedy consumer heheh
October 3, 2008 3:06:54 AM

dagger said:
There is a major flaw with all of your comparisons:
4870 also cost more than 9800gtx+ and gtx260
4850 also cost more than 9800gtx and 8800gts
4670 also cost more than 8800gs/9600gso, and in this case, also perform slightly lower
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4670/2...

Nvidia responds to everything ATI throws at it with a price drop. I just hope ATI would break out some more firepower so Nvidia can break the piggy bank. Good for us consumers. :na: 

We don't want a 4830 weakling. Give us the 5870x2. :D 




hmmm...
Cheapest 9800GTX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $143 + $9 Shipping
Cheapest 8800GTS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $140 + $9 shipping
Cheapest HD4850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $140 Free Shipping....

Cheapest HD4870: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $240 + $9 Shipping
Cheapest GTX260: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $220 Free shipping.

Just because one card is *slightly* more expensive then another doesn't mean that it can't compete. It's the same price segment that people look for.

The HD5870x2 sounds awesome tho... has a sweet ring to it :p . Any1 know when it's supposed to hit? Not that I'd upgrade to it though... I'll probably be waiting until something like an HD 8870 1GB GDDR7 with core clocks at 1800Mhz and mem clocks at 1000Mhz which will be equivalent to something like 6000Mhz GDDR3 :D 
October 6, 2008 11:02:18 PM

Will the 4830 be a good card to wait for ? under 150 ?
October 6, 2008 11:08:47 PM

Gorre said:
Will the 4830 be a good card to wait for ? under 150 ?


Why would you wait for something like that? It's meant to compete with the 8800gt, which is already $110. 8800gt is here now, not to mention lots of choices either slightly up or down.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 12:28:02 AM

Its faster than the gts, so yes its worth the wait. Itll kill the 8800gt
October 7, 2008 12:42:50 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Its faster than the gts, so yes its worth the wait. Itll kill the 8800gt


And how exactly do you know that, without independently confirmed benchmarks? According to Nvidia, 9800gtx+ outperforms 4870, which is later confirmed to be false. Fanboys on either sides will trust the object of their worship. Intelligent people know they're both greedy corporations that try to make their product look good. They'd be idiots otherwise.

Also, again, by using 8800gt/9800gt as constant, and plugging in 4870's results from third party benchmarks into the new 4830 results while maintaining constant ratio, the 4830 outperforms 4870. It's fake. :sarcastic: 
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 12:44:03 AM

And has HDCP, Audio Decoding for HDMI on the card and a lot of Video thingys the 8800GT does not :p 

Esop!
October 7, 2008 12:59:02 AM

well all this competition is got my head in a spin, uv got to love ATI instead of paying 600 £ not $ for the high end we,r paying £340 tops, and instead of nvidia giving something old a new name they will have to go back to the drawing board and start to innovate again
October 7, 2008 1:08:51 AM

and as the BT advert said "its good to talk" and i can feel enfusiastic about ATI again instead of having to bite my lip like i have for the past 3 years...
goooo ATI, they've put the mighty morphin back in the power rangers

and after that statement you wouldn't believe im 40 at least im a child at heart
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 1:11:09 AM

I'd say it's cause we have competition. nVidia should do that in 2 more gens according to what i've read on their roadmap and ATI will go back to the drawing table.

No need to bash nVidia, cause ATI is the same hog, lurking our pockets, but in a different way, lol.

Esop!
October 7, 2008 1:17:01 AM

Yuka said:


No need to bash nVidia,

Esop!



i wouldn't say im bashing nvidia
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 1:22:53 AM

I was talking generally XD

My bad for not being clear on that :p 

Esop!
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 8:21:00 AM


The main differance i see is that ATI fell out of the loop through the now well publisised DX debacle, while Nvidia has fallen behind by being smug and sitting on thier laurels with basically the same chip for a while now.
ATI look to be constantly trying to improve/evolve and stay ahead of the curve. On the otherhand Nvidia dont seem able to just pull the next gen card out off the hat, which you would have thought given the amount of uncontested time they had as market leader would be waiting in the wings ?

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 9:41:33 AM

Well, heres one thing for sure, with DX11 coming sometime next year, a few more DX10.1 games going to show up, and nVidia is stuck producing DX10 only at least until May, the who needs DX10.1 argument is coming to an end. At some point, it will become a factor, and if nVidias cards dont get it soon, all these "older" ATI cards will soooo obsolete any older nVidia cards, it wont even be funny. For when the next gen arrives, and both nVidia and ATI have DX11, and we see the effects from DX10.1 applied in games which result in higher fps, and the old nVidias dont have it, I hope theyll have sold all their old stock, otherwise ATI will rule even moreso with their old cards, and will clear their stocks much faster. Thats something nVidia has to keep an eye on as well
a c 130 U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 11:01:49 AM


Yea thats true JDJ but i think the whole thing is just going to slip by without too much of a problem for Nvidia. While at some point it will mean as you say that ATI cards that fell below a 8800 series card will be the better alternative, i think this will only matter to what will then be the lower end of mainstream cards. People who are finally getting rid of the old reliable 1950 cards. Price point will play a part and as things get towards obselesance they tend to get more expensive for a while. People with the older ATI cards would see a boost in the FPS while the Nvidia cards wont. Will this be enough to keep those older ATI's viable and will it really hurt the Nvidia owners ? I dont know and a lot of it will depend on future game engines etc.
One thing i do know is that by the time the dev's have gotten it together and there are enough good games out to make it worth upgrading the 4850 will probably be the lower end of things if not the gen after it :lol: 

Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 11:14:29 AM

Thats true enough. Im basically talking marketing tho. If nVidia doesnt come in with a killer solution next gen, and ATI is still running strong, all the average Joes who are casual gamers will be told this and buy them up, as opposed to something much older and out of line with the current. Its not a major issue, and sorry if anyones thought it was, but its just another crack in nVidias armor. All these things will add up
October 7, 2008 3:42:37 PM

I don't see how this chart is conclusive proof, because for one it's from the AMD marketing team, hardly an unbiased benchmark is it? Secondly it's only a small selection of games, seriously wait for some proper benchmark sites.
a b U Graphics card
October 7, 2008 4:26:22 PM

I agree that its been shown in best light by ATI. But look at the orevious ones from them. It showed the 4850 beating the 8800GT. The rest is history. Theres no doubt this card will beat a GT. Hopefully itll be priced right as well
October 8, 2008 1:21:14 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I agree that its been shown in best light by ATI. But look at the orevious ones from them. It showed the 4850 beating the 8800GT. The rest is history. Theres no doubt this card will beat a GT. Hopefully itll be priced right as well


True as it may be, they did show the gap to be larger than it actually was. ATI and Nvidia both present their cards as more powerful than it is. They'd be idiots otherwise.

Repeating for a third time:
By using 8800gt/9800gt as constant, and plugging in 4870's results from third party benchmarks into the new 4830 results while maintaining constant ratio, the 4830 outperforms 4870. It's fake.

That certainly doesn't mean 4830 won't actually end up outperforming 8800gt. There is a real possibility of that, we simply don't know yet. It's just that if it does, the gap will be a lot smaller than shown in this fake benchmark by ATI.
October 8, 2008 2:16:17 AM

yes i agree with dagger the benchmarks are not fake
October 8, 2008 4:42:09 AM

Does anyone know clock speeds, memory bandwith(128 bits?) amount of memory and how many pipes? We can extrapoliate from there, perhaps underclock a 4850 to 4830 clocks for that purpose.
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