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September 8, 2008 11:02:04 PM

Hello!

So I'm building a new computer for Warhammer Online. I would like to be able to run this game on all high settings with no slowdown. I would also like to be able to do this with some other games (Spore is one of them) but WAR takes priority. My budget is around $600, but I can always go a bit above that.
I have been doing research over the last couple days, posted on a lot of forums. But I'm hoping I can get some good advice here, everyone seems really cool.

I don't need a case, i have one from my last computer.
And as for a monitor (this is one of my big questions) I have a 40" Samsung HD LCD 1080p Television, and I was hoping to be able to play on this. Does anyone know if that would work out? I suppose I would need to hook it up through an HDMI cable, but I'm really not sure.

Anyway here are some parts I have picked out:

Video Card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(I'm not sure if that's the manufacturer I would buy from, but it's the chip set that I have my eye on)

Motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(This is the part I am least sure of, I really don't know a whole lot about motherboards, and I'm worried about bottle necking my system)

RAM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(Not sure if this is the greatest brand, seems pretty cheap for 4 gigs)

Processor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(I've heard great things about this processor, I decided I probably wouldn't go for the quad core since this is mainly for WAR. I'm not sure about the heatsink on it though, reviews say that it's not the greatest. Should I buy a better one?)

PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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If anyone can answer my questions I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm looking to purchase my new computer very soon, most likely tonight. I think I'll be trying out Newegg's Preferred Account, as I can easily pay this off within 6 months. (Anyone ever used this?)

Thanks so much!

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September 8, 2008 11:22:30 PM

Your choices are all solid and obviously you have read up already.

Get this memory instead because it has lower voltage and almost as good timings:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Your chipset choice is fine, but go with Gigabyte over MSI:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You will not have a bottleneck with either MB, but the Gigabyte is a bit better bet.

As long as you are not overclocking the stock CPU cooler is sufficient. The problem is not so much cooling as it is getting it attached well. The Intel push-pin system for CPU coolers is a poor design. Most CPU coolers use this same design, but a few, like the Xigmatek S-1283 come with an optional kit that allows you to bolt in the cooler... far more secure, but a bigger project over all.
September 8, 2008 11:27:00 PM

Wow thanks a lot! That's the best feedback I've gotten so far, and awesome advice. I'll probably go with the ram and motherboard you linked instead. They do look better.

And yea about the cooling I think I'll just go with the one it comes with and see how it works out.

Anyone know about using the tv as a monitor?
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September 8, 2008 11:36:55 PM

Oh, yes either video card will work for that. Get the 4850 though, because it is quite a bit faster and will last you longer. 8800GT is still fast enough and will indeed run WAR very well ;)  but in 6 months it will be struggling with new titles. 4850 should have a longer satisfaction period for you.

Make sure you have good air flow through your case though, the 4850 will heat up all your parts otherwise.
September 8, 2008 11:47:12 PM

Ok cool, thanks again!
I'm pretty sure my case has good airflow, it has at least 4 fans if I remember correctly (I'm at work).
I've never really had to deal with heat/temperature issues so I'll have to do some research.
September 8, 2008 11:57:50 PM

Here's what I would do.

Ok for your graphics card, I would definitely get the HD 4850 but I would go with Visiontek for their lifetime warranty.

For the Mobo, I wouldn't go with that particular board do to the reviews it's getting. Here's what I would suggest if you can afford it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For the RAM, what you have is not bad but I would suggest this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor is great.

And psu is great also.

Yes your TV is great for a monitor.
September 9, 2008 12:05:23 AM

Hey thanks,

Yea I haven't bought the stuff yet, anymore advice is welcome for sure.
And yea that RAM looks like a great deal!
I'll probably buy the stuff later tonight, thanks again!
September 9, 2008 1:09:39 AM

My personal opinion is:
1) upgrade the GPU to a 4870 ($260 w/lifetime warranty) = +$120
VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

2) drop the CPU down to a e7200 ($120) = -$70
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

3) Stick with 2gb's of DDR2 800mHz ($27 after MIR), if you have a 32bit OS = -$40
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

There would be about a wash in price, but your gaming experience would be much better with the 4870 over the 4850. You can decide, but that is what I'd do.
Read this article, it'll shed some light on how much CPU you really need.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,192...

September 9, 2008 1:49:08 AM

That's an interesting article, thanks!
But it looks like I won't be ordering them tonight after all. :( 
The newegg preferred account and the "Bill me later" thing aren't working for me.
I wasn't expecting that because I've signed up for a couple of similar programs with other company's.
Looks like I'll have to wait a couple weeks instead.
September 9, 2008 1:53:33 AM

So what do you expect to do at this point with your build?
September 9, 2008 1:58:21 AM

Do you mean like what parts I am going to get?
That I'm not entirely sure of anymore, the video card you linked looks really nice so I'm thinking about upgrading to that. And I am considering downgrading the processor..
I guess I'm not as sure as I was, knowing now that I have some more weeks to wait. :( 
September 9, 2008 5:43:45 AM

Well in a couple of weeks everything will be a bit cheaper, generally. I'd go with the e7200 and the 4870. That would be your cheapest C2D setup, in general.
September 11, 2008 5:57:46 PM

Hey I've been really thinking about what you said and I'm seriously considering going with the e7200 and the 4870.
I might be buying the parts in the next hour. I have looked over the article you posted but am still a little unsure. I really won't be suffering at all by downgrading the processor?
I know that video card looks amazing, but it's the processor I'm worried about.
Thanks again so much!.
September 11, 2008 6:56:22 PM

Alright what if I spent a little extra and went for the 4870 and the E8400?
It seems like I would be pretty well off with this combo. I just don't want to ever have to worry about performance issues with this game.
Thanks.
September 11, 2008 7:14:59 PM

I've been in some larger PvP battles in open beta and I did not notice any slowdowns on an 8800GT and E8400.

As far as the really big RvR stuff... I don't know. At some point I think processing power and memory would take priority, but it all depends on how the game is coded.

Some first person shooter is going to benefit more from a graphics card upgrade. MMOs are different. Just the fact that you usually get the best upgrade from system memory in an MMO indicates that they are more CPU intensive.
September 11, 2008 7:23:31 PM

Ok cool.
Yea I've just been reading about the 4870 and people say it's good if your gonna be playing on a big HD tv. But then again it's just opinions.
Theres just so many choices! But yea thanks, I think I'll go with the e8400 and think about the graphics card some more.
September 11, 2008 7:24:46 PM

I recommend a 4870 over a 4850 in your situation just due to the fact that 1080P = 1920x1200 resolution. A 4850 or a 8800GT will struggle at that resolution even though WAR doesnt seem to be that graphically demanding. Ive been playing since stress test and now in open beta, playing on a slower PC than what you plan to build, but only at 1680X1050 res, but 1920X1200 is a big step up.

I recommend something like this:

Intel E8400 cpu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Gigabyte P45 mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ATI 4870 video card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4 gigs of RAM - Corsair, Kingston or Mushkin - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
600+ watt power supply - Corsair or PC Power and Cooling - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Just listed the basics above. No real need for an aftermarket cooler unless you plan on over clocking. Throw in a SATA hard drive and DVD drive of your choice as well as a decent case and maybe a copy of Vista Home Premium and youll be sitting good for quite awhile.

The only consideration Id give is possibly buying an X48 based motherboard because the P45 chipset really doesnt do Xfire that well. Having the ability to add a second video card down the road if you find that its not fast enough is a good thing. If you want to be able to run a second 4870, it would be wise to jump up to a 750 watt PSU as a 600 watt will not be enough.
September 11, 2008 9:08:24 PM

I use Mushkin and Corsair because Ive used them for years, over 25 PCs built, and have only had 1 stick go bad in 10 years, which Corsair promptly warranted no questions asked.
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