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ASUS 9800 GT Ultimate vs HD 4850

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Which is Better?

Total: 59 votes (29 blank votes)

  • 9800 GT
  • 31 %
  • Hd 4850
  • 70 %
a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2008 7:29:29 PM

The 9800GT is the same card as the 8800GT. Both are good cards. But the HD4850 will beat both cards in most games. The HD4850 is more on the level of the 9800GTX+.

The plus to the 9800GT is the dual slot cooler, So the hot air is blown out the back of the case.

If you are a casual gamer both cards will do, but the HD4850 is a better card.

1Haplo
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a b Ĉ ASUS
October 4, 2008 7:52:33 PM

What 1haplo said. The Radeon 4850 provides roughly a 10% increase in performance over the 9800GT. Cost more too.
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October 4, 2008 8:00:16 PM

badge said:
What 1haplo said. The Radeon 4850 provides roughly a 10% increase in performance over the 9800GT. Cost more too.


If it had been a normal 9800gt/8800gt, that would have been true. But this one is actually a factory overclocked 8800gts. 128 instead of 112 stream processors, 725mhz instead of 600mhz of 9800gt/8800gt. It's higher than the 650mhz of 8800gts and 675mhz of 9800gtx while running the same g92 core with 128 sp. I have no idea why they're calling that a 9800gt. Just adds more confusion to the Nvidia renaming scheme. :sarcastic: 

Anyway, yes, that model will outperform 4850. Not the other normal 9800gt models though.
a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2008 8:05:02 PM

Holy confusing. The 9800GT/8800GT are lesser cards compared to the HD4850. So those posts are correct.

I'm amazed that nVidia is so stupid as to make the "9800GT Ultimate" an upgraded 8800GTS, yet still call it a GT. They're suggesting (based on their naming scheme) that it is inferior, when in fact it's not.

That's just plain dumb marketing right there. I run an 8800GTS (G92, 512MB) and it's a great card. So if you can pick up an upgraded version of that, I'd say go for it.
a b U Graphics card
a b Ĉ ASUS
October 4, 2008 8:08:45 PM

Quote:
Anyway, yes, that model will outperform 4850. Not the other normal 9800gt models though.


Pretty good price for a card that outperforms a 4850. My EVGA 9800GT would not outperform a 4850, but it cost less. My son likes it over the 8800GTS 640 He used prior.
October 4, 2008 8:28:30 PM

Ok, so this uber clocked card is definately better than the 4850?
a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2008 8:28:33 PM

So you oc the 4850
October 4, 2008 8:43:22 PM

achewygumball said:
Ok, so this uber clocked card is definately better than the 4850?


Yes. Also, the card is not a factory oced 9800gt, it's physically a 8800gts/9800gtx, which means you can further oc it to around 780-800mhz.
a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2008 9:24:09 PM

I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?
October 5, 2008 1:57:34 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?


Meh, who cares. It's meaningless renaming scheme. Just look at benchmarks of an oced 8800gts/9800gtx for this particular 9800gt. :p 
October 5, 2008 3:29:31 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?


This was probably where you saw it.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2008 3:53:00 AM

TY, thats where I saw it.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2008 4:01:20 AM

Im sure the site will be questioned next. It has been before. Ive read alot of comments on the benchmaker on the site, and he seems solid in his methods. Looking at a couple benches, it gets anywheres from 7 by as much as 30% less performance than the 4850. I wouldnt buy it. Its old, doesnt have all the 4850s features, and is slower to alot slower
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2008 4:12:07 AM

If that card is OC'ed to that extent, i'm afraid that it could put it's deffectiveness into notice... Yes, i'm talking about that nVidias dirty big secret, lol.

That card is going to fail, and big time IMO. It sure looks sweet now, but so does a plain about to crash into the ground. I'd keep an eye on those reviews for a while and keep an eye on that "bargain".

And yeah, i have no prove to this, but my intuition, so you can bash me all you want XD

And no, since it's OCed to that extent, the memory and the g92 are on their full potential IMO. That's an impressive OC right there though, nice job ASUS indeed.

Esop!
October 5, 2008 3:19:36 PM

dagger said:
Yes. Also, the card is not a factory oced 9800gt, it's physically a 8800gts/9800gtx, which means you can further oc it to around 780-800mhz.


Yuka said:
If that card is OC'ed to that extent, i'm afraid that it could put it's deffectiveness into notice... Yes, i'm talking about that nVidias dirty big secret, lol.

That card is going to fail, and big time IMO. It sure looks sweet now, but so does a plain about to crash into the ground. I'd keep an eye on those reviews for a while and keep an eye on that "bargain".

And yeah, i have no prove to this, but my intuition, so you can bash me all you want XD

And no, since it's OCed to that extent, the memory and the g92 are on their full potential IMO. That's an impressive OC right there though, nice job ASUS indeed.

Esop!


It's high for factory oc, but hardly impressive.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03/geforce-9800gtx-revi...
October 5, 2008 3:55:21 PM

Get the 4850 it's better than the 9800 GT Ultimate. Chances are you'll be like most others and want to turn up the AA and AF, and the 4800s will kill the Nvidia cards in 4/5 games.

Nvidia cards can be poor performers when you crank up the eye-candy.
October 5, 2008 4:03:04 PM

The 280 GTX still comes out ontop even with AA on compared to the 4870.

The 260 GTX, now selling for 200$ is becoming a direct competitor to the 4850, and it outperforms the 4850 by 30% even with AA on:) 


The thing that will help ATI will be driver improvements and also DX 10.1, with a 20% increase with AA.

But for now, the prices shift is favoring Nvidia right now.

If you can find the 260 GTX (old 1) for 200$ your much better off than most cards out now:) 


It will beat the 4850 by alot (and obviously the 9800 GT Ult) and also puts some pressure ont he 4870 (ofc very rarely beating it) but for around 80$ less you have nothing too loose:)  Plus you have around 300 megs of ram extra. (don't flame me about the math, I'm just guessing the megs quick:p )
October 5, 2008 5:48:24 PM

L1qu1d said:
The 280 GTX still comes out ontop even with AA on compared to the 4870.

The 260 GTX, now selling for 200$ is becoming a direct competitor to the 4850, and it outperforms the 4850 by 30% even with AA on:) 



The 280gtx doesn't always come out on top and even though it does, 4/5 times it's only beat the 4870 512mb by a few frames, which is negligible and the 1024mb version is fairly on pair with the 280gtx.

Also, the 260 can't be found for 200$ or even close to that anywhere other than the US, you have to realize that everywhere else in the world, we're still paying ~300$ for a 260/4870.

Hell even newegg.ca charges 300 for those cards. So much for matching US prices... I hate you newegg....
October 5, 2008 6:54:08 PM

I read reivews on the 4870 1 gig, it exchanges blows with the 280 on certains, but most of which won by the 280 GTX. The 4870 X2 showing some amazing scaling though. (single slot)
October 5, 2008 7:55:16 PM

in quality picture who be a winner? 4850 or 9800gtx+ ?

what the most important thing on gaming, perfomance or quality?, i mean not slowly and so have a better quality... :pt1cable: 
October 5, 2008 7:55:53 PM

Anyone one of the graphics card mentioned in this thread would most likely make you very happy.

Out of the two you mentioned, I'd go for the 4850, maybe look for one with a dual slot cooler though.
October 5, 2008 8:00:18 PM

and 1 thing... if i choose 4850 what brand a good for that? thx :D 
October 5, 2008 8:00:18 PM

Overall 4850 is equal to 9800gtx+ so I don't see how can a 9800gt ultimate
(128 sp and lower clocks than 9800gtx+) be the better card, especially not with AA turned on,which i think that most of the people who by cards in that price range ,use it, plus hd4850 has much more potential and is more future proof than the 9800gt ultimate,even the 9800gtx+. But ,yes, 9800gt ultimate can sometimes
outperform hd4850,but also 8800gtx,8800gts 512 or even 8800gt can outperform hd4850 in some games,but that doesn't make them better cards.
If you can find 9800gt ultimate cheaper than hd4850 for ,like15-20$,then go for it,otherwise,go for hd4850.
October 5, 2008 8:28:28 PM

eryandy_ethan said:
in quality picture who be a winner? 4850 or 9800gtx+ ?

what the most important thing on gaming, perfomance or quality?, i mean not slowly and so have a better quality... :pt1cable: 


No difference in picture quality. Get whatever is cheaper.
October 5, 2008 8:51:35 PM

well Atleast noticeable to the naked eye:D 
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2008 9:17:53 PM

I think L1qu1d is right. Dont get the cheapest one, get the best one. The drivers are new just like the 4850, and itll only get even better. It also has better features, does AA easier than any nVidia solution, and if I were buying one now, Id just get the best one with a good warranty. Even if the two cards were equal, which theyre not, eyecandy would win the day for me
October 27, 2008 12:01:43 PM

On the up side to the Asus card I got two of them running and they only cost me $129 each. Now if I had went with ATI chip set the cheapest ASUs card is $149. Hers the flaw in compairing the ASUS 9800 to a HD 4850, Which one of the 28 HD4850 (or more) are we compairing this card to.

Anyways to me I think I made a good choice, I saved money and they run everything fawlessly at highest settings. (S.T.A.L.KE.R & Crysis)

And who ever started this next time you compair BBQ pototo chips to any other chip make sure you pike your brand you compairing it to not just the flavor.
March 12, 2009 6:55:38 AM

Asus EN9800 Ultimate Runs like a 9800gtx+ almost. Is a Nice videocard and i will buy one.
Ati 4850 is a Better card at high reasolutions and specially with AA On.
But i will use the card to play PS2 and PS3 game eventually so i preffer go to envidia beacuse of the 100% compatibility with all games. Also i read is reall a cool card and 4850 well you all know about the issues about temperature and why some turn there eyes on the Toxic HD4850 insted of the Saphire.
March 12, 2009 6:59:33 AM

By the way only require a 6pin conection and that is perfect for my generic 600W PSU.
well 4850 do the same and the only reason i dont mind buy a 4870 or a 9800 gtx is the need of a expensive PSU with 2 6pin conector. Well considering i have only a Dual core i bet is the wise choice. Latter i Try a Intel 8i with some good SLI as a rematch to play all new games. Both card run fine at the moment. Way until PS4 and let see wich card can handle those game at low-med setting. Remember 9800 Ultimate is a 735Mhz core and 2000Mhz DDR3 128processor unit and easy overclock to 800.
March 12, 2009 7:01:08 AM

jajajaja.. I say easy overclock to 800Mhz but i dont known a -.- Thing about that.
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