ASUS 9800 GT Ultimate vs HD 4850

[achewygumball]

Yeah, just a simple comparison of the two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121266

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770

 

[1haplo]

The 9800GT is the same card as the 8800GT. Both are good cards. But the HD4850 will beat both cards in most games. The HD4850 is more on the level of the 9800GTX+.

The plus to the 9800GT is the dual slot cooler, So the hot air is blown out the back of the case.

If you are a casual gamer both cards will do, but the HD4850 is a better card.

1Haplo

 

[badge]

What 1haplo said. The Radeon 4850 provides roughly a 10% increase in performance over the 9800GT. Cost more too.

 

[dagger]

What 1haplo said. The Radeon 4850 provides roughly a 10% increase in performance over the 9800GT. Cost more too.

If it had been a normal 9800gt/8800gt, that would have been true. But this one is actually a factory overclocked 8800gts. 128 instead of 112 stream processors, 725mhz instead of 600mhz of 9800gt/8800gt. It's higher than the 650mhz of 8800gts and 675mhz of 9800gtx while running the same g92 core with 128 sp. I have no idea why they're calling that a 9800gt. Just adds more confusion to the Nvidia renaming scheme.

Anyway, yes, that model will outperform 4850. Not the other normal 9800gt models though.

 

[jerreece]

Holy confusing. The 9800GT/8800GT are lesser cards compared to the HD4850. So those posts are correct.

I'm amazed that nVidia is so stupid as to make the "9800GT Ultimate" an upgraded 8800GTS, yet still call it a GT. They're suggesting (based on their naming scheme) that it is inferior, when in fact it's not.

That's just plain dumb marketing right there. I run an 8800GTS (G92, 512MB) and it's a great card. So if you can pick up an upgraded version of that, I'd say go for it.

 

[badge]

Anyway, yes, that model will outperform 4850. Not the other normal 9800gt models though.

Pretty good price for a card that outperforms a 4850. My EVGA 9800GT would not outperform a 4850, but it cost less. My son likes it over the 8800GTS 640 He used prior.

 

[achewygumball]

Ok, so this uber clocked card is definately better than the 4850?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

So you oc the 4850

 

[dagger]

Ok, so this uber clocked card is definately better than the 4850?

Yes. Also, the card is not a factory oced 9800gt, it's physically a 8800gts/9800gtx, which means you can further oc it to around 780-800mhz.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?

 

[dagger]

I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?

Meh, who cares. It's meaningless renaming scheme. Just look at benchmarks of an oced 8800gts/9800gtx for this particular 9800gt.

 

[sdf]

I somewherews saw a review of this card, just cant remember where. Its fast, a lil faster than the 4850 at the time, tho drivers may have evened it up some. Any links?

This was probably where you saw it.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/9791-geforce-9800-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit.html

 

[rangers]

This was probably where you saw it.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/9791-geforce-9800-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit.html

according to they benchmarks its trading blows with the 4850 till you turn up the eye candy and then it leaves it for dead

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

TY, thats where I saw it.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im sure the site will be questioned next. It has been before. Ive read alot of comments on the benchmaker on the site, and he seems solid in his methods. Looking at a couple benches, it gets anywheres from 7 by as much as 30% less performance than the 4850. I wouldnt buy it. Its old, doesnt have all the 4850s features, and is slower to alot slower

 

[-Fran-]

If that card is OC'ed to that extent, i'm afraid that it could put it's deffectiveness into notice... Yes, i'm talking about that nVidias dirty big secret, lol.

That card is going to fail, and big time IMO. It sure looks sweet now, but so does a plain about to crash into the ground. I'd keep an eye on those reviews for a while and keep an eye on that "bargain".

And yeah, i have no prove to this, but my intuition, so you can bash me all you want XD

And no, since it's OCed to that extent, the memory and the g92 are on their full potential IMO. That's an impressive OC right there though, nice job ASUS indeed.

Esop!

 

[dagger]

Yes. Also, the card is not a factory oced 9800gt, it's physically a 8800gts/9800gtx, which means you can further oc it to around 780-800mhz.

If that card is OC'ed to that extent, i'm afraid that it could put it's deffectiveness into notice... Yes, i'm talking about that nVidias dirty big secret, lol.

That card is going to fail, and big time IMO. It sure looks sweet now, but so does a plain about to crash into the ground. I'd keep an eye on those reviews for a while and keep an eye on that "bargain".

And yeah, i have no prove to this, but my intuition, so you can bash me all you want XD

And no, since it's OCed to that extent, the memory and the g92 are on their full potential IMO. That's an impressive OC right there though, nice job ASUS indeed.

Esop!

It's high for factory oc, but hardly impressive.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03/geforce-9800gtx-review.html/9

 

[kazuya-kun]

Get the 4850 it's better than the 9800 GT Ultimate. Chances are you'll be like most others and want to turn up the AA and AF, and the 4800s will kill the Nvidia cards in 4/5 games.

Nvidia cards can be poor performers when you crank up the eye-candy.

 

[L1qu1d]

The 280 GTX still comes out ontop even with AA on compared to the 4870.

The 260 GTX, now selling for 200$ is becoming a direct competitor to the 4850, and it outperforms the 4850 by 30% even with AA on


The thing that will help ATI will be driver improvements and also DX 10.1, with a 20% increase with AA.

But for now, the prices shift is favoring Nvidia right now.

If you can find the 260 GTX (old 1) for 200$ your much better off than most cards out now


It will beat the 4850 by alot (and obviously the 9800 GT Ult) and also puts some pressure ont he 4870 (ofc very rarely beating it) but for around 80$ less you have nothing too loose Plus you have around 300 megs of ram extra. (don't flame me about the math, I'm just guessing the megs quick)

 

[kazuya-kun]

The 280 GTX still comes out ontop even with AA on compared to the 4870.

The 260 GTX, now selling for 200$ is becoming a direct competitor to the 4850, and it outperforms the 4850 by 30% even with AA on

The 280gtx doesn't always come out on top and even though it does, 4/5 times it's only beat the 4870 512mb by a few frames, which is negligible and the 1024mb version is fairly on pair with the 280gtx.

Also, the 260 can't be found for 200$ or even close to that anywhere other than the US, you have to realize that everywhere else in the world, we're still paying ~300$ for a 260/4870.

Hell even newegg.ca charges 300 for those cards. So much for matching US prices... I hate you newegg....

 

[L1qu1d]

I read reivews on the 4870 1 gig, it exchanges blows with the 280 on certains, but most of which won by the 280 GTX. The 4870 X2 showing some amazing scaling though. (single slot)

 

[eryandy_ethan]

in quality picture who be a winner? 4850 or 9800gtx+ ?

what the most important thing on gaming, perfomance or quality?, i mean not slowly and so have a better quality...

 

[San Pedro]

Anyone one of the graphics card mentioned in this thread would most likely make you very happy.

Out of the two you mentioned, I'd go for the 4850, maybe look for one with a dual slot cooler though.

 

[eryandy_ethan]

and 1 thing... if i choose 4850 what brand a good for that? thx

 

[ackomacko]

Overall 4850 is equal to 9800gtx+ so I don't see how can a 9800gt ultimate
(128 sp and lower clocks than 9800gtx+) be the better card, especially not with AA turned on,which i think that most of the people who by cards in that price range ,use it, plus hd4850 has much more potential and is more future proof than the 9800gt ultimate,even the 9800gtx+. But ,yes, 9800gt ultimate can sometimes
outperform hd4850,but also 8800gtx,8800gts 512 or even 8800gt can outperform hd4850 in some games,but that doesn't make them better cards.
If you can find 9800gt ultimate cheaper than hd4850 for ,like15-20$,then go for it,otherwise,go for hd4850.