8800 ultra VS HD4870

How would these two cards compare with one another. Also, what would the relative worth be of a BFG 8800 Ultra (watercooled). Thanks for any help.

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the ultra is comparable the the 4850, not the 4870. the ultra watercooled is prolly worth $225 used.

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Reply to customisbetter

With all do respect the 4850 is faster than the 8800 Ultra by 10-20%.

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Reply to bydesign

Yes I know that the 4870 would be faster but what I am curious about is by how much, if the benchmarks are similar to the 4850, then I suppose that gives me my answer. Thanks.

Reply to DRoZ

bydesign wrote :

With all do respect the 4850 is faster than the 8800 Ultra by 10-20%.

That's not true. There are no direct comparisons of 4850 and 8800ultra, but since the slower 8800gtx is 3% slower than 4850, 8800ultra should outperform it.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/23.html

It's unlikely to outperform 4870 though.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 70/23.html

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Reply to dagger

Thats just plain bull. The 8800GTX has to be faster than the 9800GTX then

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I sold my watercooled 8800 GTX's on ebay for $215 and $225 with the koolance waterblocks. One was a vanilla Evga, and the other was a BFG OC2.

Reply to Granite3

I think the ultra outperforms the 4850 (not by much), but the 4870 would far outperform it.

Yeah, the water cooled ultra would be about $225.

Reply to br3nd064

jaydeejohn wrote :

Thats just plain bull. The 8800GTX has to be faster than the 9800GTX then

You have to realize that chart is overall performance, which includes high resolutions and AA settings, where 8800gtx's higher memory bandwidth and more ram helps compensate for lack of gpu power.

And don't forget 9800gtx is just a renamed 8800gts.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] ew.html/12

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Reply to dagger

so by the end of the day, everyone especially me, is right.

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Reply to customisbetter

Look at these benchies : http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=16 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=17 http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] 0gtx/8.htm http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 800-4.html http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=19 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=14 http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cI [...] ageID=4849 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=14 http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 800-5.html http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] 0gtx/6.htm So, as you can see, going all over the net and looking thru many games the 9800gtx beats the 8800gtx and is much faster than the 8800gts. Now, the question is, is the 4850 faster than the 9800gtx. There the general consensus is yes its faster. So, try again, as I just dont see it. Cherry pick any one review or game and yes , youll find something like what youve put up, but the vast majority of benchmarks shows otherwise. And if you arent using the newest drivers, the 4850 looks even better, as does the 9800gtx vs the 8800gts. or vs the 8800gtx or ultra for that matter. They did do a compression change on the 9 series, so a 9800gtx is NOT a 8800gts. So, Id look around more first before posting 1 or 2 sites

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Reply to jaydeejohn

Calm down JDJ XD

This is the thing:

- noAA: 9800GTX > 4850 (Crysis mostly, lol)
- AAx8: 4850 >> 9800GTX

If we talk about the 9800GTX+, they're a little closer, but the relation is still valid

Esop!

Reply to Yuka

jaydeejohn wrote :

Look at these benchies : http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=16 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=17 http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] 0gtx/8.htm http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 800-4.html http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=19 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=14 http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cI [...] ageID=4849 http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] =3341&p=14 http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 800-5.html http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] 0gtx/6.htm So, as you can see, going all over the net and looking thru many games the 9800gtx beats the 8800gtx and is much faster than the 8800gts. Now, the question is, is the 4850 faster than the 9800gtx. There the general consensus is yes its faster. So, try again, as I just dont see it. Cherry pick any one review or game and yes , youll find something like what youve put up, but the vast majority of benchmarks shows otherwise. And if you arent using the newest drivers, the 4850 looks even better, as does the 9800gtx vs the 8800gts. or vs the 8800gtx or ultra for that matter. They did do a compression change on the 9 series, so a 9800gtx is NOT a 8800gts. So, Id look around more first before posting 1 or 2 sites

Those use different settings. The benchmarks you picked runs a few games at specific resolutions with no/low aa/af, which favors higher gpu and lower memory performance.

The benchmark I linked include dozens of games at anywhere from low 1024x768 aa/af off to 1920x1200 aa/af on, and takes a numerical average. Larger cross sampling -> less cherry picked. Look through all games for specific game performance.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 70/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 50/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] CS/26.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 50/26.html

As for 8800gts and 9800gtx, it's same g92 chip, but clocked 25mhz higher, ram clocked 200mhz higher. Numerical average performance results over multiple games and settings.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] ew.html/11
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] ew.html/12

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Reply to dagger

These benchmarks run from 12x10 to 25x16, you obviously didnt look, and they run 4xAA, no AA 2xAA and more, so dont keep showing the same 2 benchmarks. I like histiry for the facts, and anyone can use a few small things to try and paint qa different picture. And, like I said, the 9 series did change their compression ratios for the better, and it wasnt a simple shrink as you claim. Look that up as well, and Im sure you wont find it in those 2 areas youve linked to, or maybe you will but need to actually read them. I know Im right on this, no doubt whatsoever. To say its only clocks doesnt explain the 40 benchmarks from the 5 sites Ive used, so look it up, theres more to it than a dumb shrink

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I don't know but my 9800GTX+ owns!

Reply to metalweenis

dagger wrote :

Those use different settings. The benchmarks you picked runs a few games at specific resolutions with no/low aa/af, which favors higher gpu and lower memory performance.

The benchmark I linked include dozens of games at anywhere from low 1024x768 aa/af off to 1920x1200 aa/af on, and takes a numerical average. Larger cross sampling -> less cherry picked. Look through all games for specific game performance.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 70/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 50/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] CS/26.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 50/26.html

As for 8800gts and 9800gtx, it's same g92 chip, but clocked 25mhz higher, ram clocked 200mhz higher. Numerical average performance results over multiple games and settings.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] ew.html/11
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03 [...] ew.html/12

Hmmm its a bit iffy to reference just 2 benchmark sites in your argument, leaning heavily on techpowerup. Its a good site but not the be-all-and-end-all of benchmarks. Overall the 9800gtx beats the 8800gtx except at higher resolutions with 4xAA or more, but then again this is the rv770's speciality, so all in all i would say the 4850 shades the ultra out, especially in some newer titles, ...just to add to the general argument going on here.

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