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Gamer - HD4870X2 sapphire or asus OR GTX280?

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October 8, 2008 2:07:37 PM

Im going to buy new graphic card soon .. and i dont know which one to buy for gaming..

Sapphire OR Asus HD4870X ? Sapphire is cheaper than asus - around 100$
almost the same but i see that Asus got Extra " DVI to D-Sub adaptor‎ , HDCP , DVI to HDMI adaptor,‎ CrossFire cabLe"
***Notice : Could be that the sapphire specs isnt full . And i dont know wt they do or what the difference ...

OR get Asus Nvidia GTX280 ?
asus GTX280 is 65$ cheaper than asus ati
and sapphire ati is 31$ cheaper than the GTX280

i just need to know which card to buy (which is better, not about price) , if ati sapphire or asus ?

thanks
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October 8, 2008 2:32:47 PM

4870X2 is slightly faster than GTX 280.

October 8, 2008 2:33:52 PM

4870x2>gtx280

saphire=asus=brandnamehere

Quote:
4870X2 is slightly faster than GTX 280.


4870 is often faster than gtx 280. 4870x2 is nearly 2x faster than gtx 280 in everything save crysis. there its only slightly faster.
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October 8, 2008 2:38:55 PM

aha , that what i though ,
but which asus manufacturer to choice ? asus or sapphire which is 100$ cheaper ?
and thanks
a b U Graphics card
October 8, 2008 2:58:05 PM

Sapphire.
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October 8, 2008 3:04:16 PM

Sapphire. Visiontek is very good too.
October 8, 2008 3:40:39 PM

If the sapphire is $30 cheaper than the GTX280 than this is a no brainer, get the sapphire 4870x2, and then proceed to crank the settings on every single game you play.
October 8, 2008 3:52:31 PM

I'm wondering where you are seeing prices like these? Ebay?

Online retail I see the cheapest 4870x2 coming in at least $110 more expensive than the 280GTX.

If you can find the 4870x2 as cheap or cheaper than the 280gtx I'd go for it.

On the other hand if the prices I'm seeing, assuming you're buying new, are correct I'd get the 280gtx since they trade blows depending on what game you like to play and you are guaranteed more stability with a single card over 2.

This is based mainly on price tho, and if you have an SLI board the answer would be obvious given a 110 dollar difference.

Again tho, if you can get it that cheap then the 4870x2 is a good choice. especially if you have no other way to do crossfire or sli.
October 8, 2008 6:41:56 PM

well ,
in my country all computer stuff is very expensive .
so as i see , this is my future pc :
1. GIGABYTE EP45-EXTREME s775 C2Q 1600Mhz which support crossfire
2. Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 2.83ghz, 1333Mhz, s775, 12MB
3. 2x2GB Corsair Dominator TwinX CL5 DDR2 1066mhz
4. Sapphire HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 DX10.1 HDTV 2xDVI PCI-E
5. Seagate 500GB 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA II X 2 = 1TB
6. Thermaltake‎ ToughPower W0116 750W PFC (24pin)

is my choice good and all parts will fit 2gether ?
or there is a problem with 2 parts which will not fit ? and is 750w power supply is enough (NOT perfect , but enough)?
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October 8, 2008 7:37:56 PM

Yeah, good choices and they do fit together.

750W is perfect for that setup.

You could probably find a cheaper motherboard. Is the GA-EP45-DS3R available, for example? BTW, you don't really need a Crossfire motherboard with that video card.

If the Seagate 640GB or the WD6400AAKS has a decent price in your country get them because they are faster than the 500GB disks.

You could save some money with DDR2 800Mhz, I guess.
October 8, 2008 9:29:33 PM

hd4870x2 is way faster than gtx280.Sapphire is one of the best ATI manufacturer's.You will be making big mistake bying gtx280 especially if it's more expensive than the Sapphire hd4870x2.
October 8, 2008 10:06:41 PM

aevm thanks for ur reply , but
befor 3 years i bought my pc which was v.good pc that time , like this right now,
but i made a mistake about the motherboard ,the pci was a new product and was expensive , so i bought the agp , now im stuck with them , i have to change all my parts just cuz of that mistake ..
is that a good reason to go for crossfire MB for future card/parts?
i dont want to get stuck again in the future to buy a new pc(MB,GTX,MEM,CPU) all 2gether at once.
im planing to keep my pc upgraded each time with new products.
thanks
October 8, 2008 10:56:34 PM

and ..
as i see, the GA-EP45-DS3R support crossfireX too,
what the Big difference between them (GA-EP45-DS3R and EP45-EXTREME) ?
Notice that MB is the secret behind the future upgrades , if not so good , so u need to change all ur pc parts.

about the memory , i dont know wt the Exact difference between 800mhz and 1066mhz with gaming ,
i can get 2x2gb=4GB DDR2 1066MHZ for 255$
AND i can get 2x4gb=8GB DDR2 800mhz about 340$ that mean 170$ for 4GB
***Notice that im looking for best quality with parts which could serve me longer in the future.

another thing and sorry for alot of questions :X i dont want to get lost again like the last time.

Hard disk :
Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640gb 16mb (16mb not 32mb) is 100$ u meant to buy too of them (100+100=200$) ?
is that smart to buy 2 of 500/640 than 1TB ? will be faster or wt the secret about it ?
80% of the gaming computers i see , includes 2 hard disks.

or get the 2 of Seagate 500GB 32mb ? which is faster AS i know about the Cache, Price : 85+85=170$

thanks and sorry again for long questions :X
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October 9, 2008 1:31:37 AM

Well, you've got a problem there. The P45 chipset will not let you update the CPU in a year or two. Intel's new CPUs (i7/Nehalem) will require DDR3 and a totally different kind of motherboard (not socket 775) and they won't work in a P45. Sorry...

The good news is that a Q9550 won't really require upgrading for a very long time IMO. Watch these charts for example and you'll see how little the CPU matters in games.
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=775&p=2

About the Crossfire issue: you are getting a HD 4870 X2. That's already a fantastic card, and can handle anything without a second card to help it. Also, with a 750W PSU, it's dangerous to add a second gaming video card to a system that already has a HD 4870X2 and a quad. ATI's recommendations for HD 4870X2 + HD 4870 or for HD 4870 X2 + HD 4870 X2 are in the 1000W area. Also, a HD 4870X2 counts as two GPUs. Adding a 3rd (a HD 4870) or a 3rd and a 4th (a HD 4870 X2) won't add as much value as you'd expect because games don't scale so well beyond 2 GPUs. To cut the long story short, your system doesn't really need a Crossfire motherboard and can do nicely with a MB with a single PCI-E x16 slot. I'd still recommend something with two slots, but only so you can add a cheap second card (HD 3450 for example) and use it for monitors #3 and #4.

If gaming is your main priority, 4 GB of RAM is enough. That is, 4 GB compared to 2 GB is a huge difference, but 8 GB compared to 4 GB makes a very small difference in game fps. Do get 2x2GB sticks, not 1GB sticks, so you can upgrade to 8 GB later.

WD 640GB with 16 MB of cache is faster than Seagate 500GB with 32 MB cache. The bigger cache helps the Seagate, but not that much, and the WD wins because it has higher density platters. Between 500GB at $85 and 640GB at $100, the 640GB gives a better price per GB too. There's also a Seagate 640GB, by the way, and it's just as good as the WD 640GB. Maybe you can find that one at a lower price. You only need one hard disk to play games, but it's nice to have two or more, of course.
October 9, 2008 6:03:35 AM

aha , so i will get the GA-EP45-DS3R MB
and 4GB of memory 2x2 , but 800 or 1066 ? 1066 is better aha ?
and will get the WB 640gb :X
thanks
October 9, 2008 7:09:38 AM

well , wait wait , i have another pick , and it sounds the same price as the one i posted ..
will it support the new intel cpu ? and better than the last pick ?
here we go :p  :
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 1333Mhz, s775, 12MB
Gigavyte X48T-DQ6 s775 C2Q 1600Mhz, Intel X48, DDR3 1900, 2xPCI-E - will it support future cpu ?
DDR3 2x2GB Corsair XMS3 DHX DDR3 1333MHz
HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 DX10.1 HDTV 2xDVI PCI-E
WD 640GB 7200RPM, 16MB, SATA ii
‏Thermaltake ToughPower W0116 750W PFC (24pin)

its almost the same price ..
will they fit 2gether ?
what about the MB ? will it support the new intel cpu ?
consider to gfx , i still have option to upgrade single with x2 gfx like hd4870x2 or 2xpci-e

what u say ?
October 9, 2008 7:31:07 AM

aha sorry :x i see its s775 .. just final advice ,
aevm?
u didnt told me wt to get , 800 or 1066 ?
October 9, 2008 2:45:26 PM

"4870x2 is nearly 2x faster than gtx 280"

Hell no.
October 9, 2008 2:54:49 PM

LOL it depends ont he game. But on average the X2 is about 30% faster than the 280 GTX. But I would go with the 4870 X2. Much better Price/Performance ratio.

my opinon though, depending on how much you pay for other cards, I would aim lower and wait. buy 1 4870 1 gig, and see if optimizations are up to par. I mean 1 8800 GT is still decent enough for gaming these days, and you can always buy another 4870 1 gig or a 4870 X2 and tri or sli the cards.

Either way, if your choices are only the 280 GTX and the 4870 X2 then the X2 is your best bet.
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October 9, 2008 3:11:17 PM

The 4870 trades a few blows with the G280, the 4870x2? Like L1qu1d said, its 30% faster at least, and the better card
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October 9, 2008 4:02:53 PM

Leopardos said:
well , wait wait , i have another pick , and it sounds the same price as the one i posted ..
will it support the new intel cpu ? and better than the last pick ?
here we go :p  :
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 1333Mhz, s775, 12MB
Gigavyte X48T-DQ6 s775 C2Q 1600Mhz, Intel X48, DDR3 1900, 2xPCI-E - will it support future cpu ?
DDR3 2x2GB Corsair XMS3 DHX DDR3 1333MHz
HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 DX10.1 HDTV 2xDVI PCI-E
WD 640GB 7200RPM, 16MB, SATA ii
‏Thermaltake ToughPower W0116 750W PFC (24pin)

its almost the same price ..
will they fit 2gether ?
what about the MB ? will it support the new intel cpu ?
consider to gfx , i still have option to upgrade single with x2 gfx like hd4870x2 or 2xpci-e

what u say ?


X48T-DQ6 and DDR3 RAM? That's a lot of money in North America. They will work with the Q9550, but they're overkill IMO. OK, there is the advantage that DDR3 can be reused later if you buy a Nehalem CPU and a new MB for it.
October 10, 2008 6:31:42 PM

i would go for the 4870X2 and about your Mobo go for a x48 ou x38 chipset since it suports 2 pcie x16 at link mode p45 boards are link x8
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