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a2love   10-09-2008 at 06:38:52 AM

Hi all,

Having an interesting problem, circa 2004. I am having problems with an old comp my family uses. It has a Geforce4 ti 4200 4x AGP card with a broken/noisy fan. I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion on what would be the best replacement. The mobo can only handle 4x agp, its a p4 2.8 ghz rig. Having issues determining more info about the mobo so bare with me here.

Thanks,
Adam

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krazyk12   10-09-2008 at 07:06:07 AM
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im sure you can find a place that has some extra of the same card, and will feel sorry for whoever has to run it, and give you a few for free

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dirtmountain   10-09-2008 at 07:16:43 AM
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any 4x or 8x AGP card will fit and will work. 8x AGP is backward compatible with 4x AGP.
For a small step up in power this X1550 at $40 is about 3 tiers better then the ti4200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814129083
this X1650PRO is a couple steps higher $44 after a rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131070
The 1550 uses 27 watts of power and the 1650 pro uses 44 watts, both should be fine with an existing power supply. Your old card used about 40w

a handy graphic card hierachy chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 033-7.html

*EDIT* you can go with a more powerful card if you're planning to game with the system, just check your power supply and the requirements of the card
http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264


Message edited by dirtmountain on 10-09-2008 at 07:25:20 AM
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megamanx00   10-09-2008 at 07:37:26 AM
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More like 8x AGP SHOULD be compatible with 4x AGP. I remember when the 1950 AGP cards came out and some of them wouldn't work on a 4x slot for some stupid reason. Then again I guess those weren't officially supported :lol: . Anyway you may just want to replace the fan on that video card. Your local CompUSA (or Tiger Direct) should have a cheap video card cooling set or you can find one on the net.

If you don't want to deal with that then go with a Radeon 3650, or 2600XT AGP. The Radeon 3850 would be too much though since it will be bottle necked by the system, not to mention you will need a decent PSU to run it.


Message edited by megamanx00 on 10-09-2008 at 07:39:04 AM
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a2love   10-09-2008 at 09:34:08 PM
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Hmm thanks for the great suggestions. What would you reccommend if we want to 'try' to run the new Warhammer online game? I know i know... a new pc... but can I buy a card that will atleast let me run it?

I saw this post online, citing some supported cards:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/ne [...] quirements

Kinda trying to get the last legs outa this system i guess... full upgrade will be mid next year.

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megamanx00   10-10-2008 at 05:58:37 AM
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Get a Radeon 3850 AGP then if you can afford it. If not, then get the Radeon 2600XT AGP or Radeon 3650 AGP.

------------------------------ Playing X-Men Origins: Wolverine Athlon 64 X2 5000+ @3.24 Brisbane | GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4 | 4GB Mushkin DDR2 1066 | Plextor 760A| 2x 3850 512M CF| WD 1TB Black| Fortron Blue Storm II 500W | APEVIA X-Dreamer Black | Win XP Pro & Vista Buisness 32bit
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dirtmountain   10-10-2008 at 07:09:53 AM
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agreed, for warhammer online, especially the sieges, get a HD3850 AGP card, you'll need a quality 400w or 450w power supply for it. At least when you do upgrade to another system you can take the power supply with you.

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a2love   10-10-2008 at 08:13:04 PM
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hmmm interesting. Saw some reviews... very nice card, definitly peaked my interest. Now... one big question I am struggling with is my AGP slot 4x or 8x ... i am in the process of searching for my manual. But... even if my slot is 4x... would you still recommend that card?

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a2love   10-11-2008 at 05:46:01 AM
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Did some more digging, and had some responses over on the motherboard forum.

So, I am convinced my P4 2.8Ghz rig will bottleneck the hell out of a 3850.
My plans right now are to upgrade to 2G ram for sure. Then I have to make a decision...
1) Look at mid-high range AGP cards (i.e. HD3650) and grab a new PSU most likely
2) look at lower range cards... not the best idea....

what do you guys think? You can see more info on my mobo config and psu settings here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] tification

Basically how do you guys/gals think I can salvage this rig, atleast enough to decently play Warhammer online? (sys. req. for this game are found here: http://herald.warhammeronline.com/ [...] ar?id=168)

Cheers,
Adam

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dirtmountain   10-12-2008 at 12:05:52 AM
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The biggest problem would be that by the time you bumped up your RAM, bought a new PSU and bought a HD3850 you'd be well on your way to getting a whole new system that would be far better now and in the future. If you used the hard drive from your old system, the cd/dvd burner.
this case at $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119115
this power supply at $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371006
this CPU at $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072
this motherboard at $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813135092
this RAM at $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227124
this GPU at $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814500019
new OS (since you can't reuse your old one most likely)
you'd be spending @ $320 after rebates ($420 including OS) for a far better system and a much better graphic card then even the HD3850 AGP.

My other option would be to upgrade to 2 GB RAM, get the 3850, get the $40 430w power supply. When you do upgrade your system eBay the 3850 and use the PSU in a possible new build.

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a2love   10-12-2008 at 10:43:12 PM
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hmmm. wow its amazing that a system like that can be built so cheap. You've given me something to think about here... not sure what to do now. I'll get back once i run the numbers and such. I was so focused on just a quick upgrade and creating a kick ass system later that I didn't even consider a medium type system for the short run being cheaper... thanks for the ideas

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a2love   10-12-2008 at 11:30:14 PM
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oh man... it took me about 5 min before I started eyeing a Q6600 quad core chipset... antec 900 case....

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dirtmountain   10-13-2008 at 08:09:17 AM
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lol, yeah that's how it usually happens. Good luck with whatever you choose. Can always come back and repost your ideas.

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