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December 5, 2008 9:39:34 PM

Theres a couple of Demos going on right now , or a few hours on Deneb, hosted by AMD. 1 in Chicago, and 1 in SF. This may help put to rest some of the doubt of Denebs capabilties. Im wondering what well end up seeing from these demos?

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December 5, 2008 9:43:26 PM

Enough of this. Ship out some ES'.....if they are so confident in its abilities then give some review sites a bite. The fate of my new potential build relies on realistic data from the 940.
December 5, 2008 9:48:19 PM

spathotan said:
Enough of this. Ship out some ES'.....if they are so confident in its abilities then give some review sites a bite. The fate of my new potential build relies on realistic data from the 940.


Vendor Demos tell you very little.
As we know, each chip varies somewhat in its abilities.......

With 10,000s of chips to hand select, the demo means very little.
In Wild tests by unbiased folks using settings that can be used for day to day operation as what is important.
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December 5, 2008 9:50:27 PM

I understand where youre coming from, but try to understand where theire coming from. Theyve been financially squeezed with the acquisition of ATI from the start, and last produced an underperforming cpu in P1. Release isnt due til Jan 8th, but it would appear they want to hype this as much as possible, string it out, because they finally have a decent product they can be confident in.

Id love to see the final verdict as well, but a few peaks are nice also, sorta like shaking your presents under the tree way before Christmas arrives
December 5, 2008 9:54:21 PM

+1 zen.
why are they so afraid of someone else touching these things besides themselves. like i said..either its fantastic or its an embarrassment.
December 5, 2008 9:57:04 PM

zenmaster said:
Vendor Demos tell you very little.
As we know, each chip varies somewhat in its abilities.......

With 10,000s of chips to hand select, the demo means very little.
In Wild tests by unbiased folks using settings that can be used for day to day operation as what is important.


While normally Id agree with you, the previous event allowed for a lil hands on, as these will as well

Id also point out that under the thinking that these are cherry picked cpus, or, that it can be done better than by those whove been invitede, all I can say is, let em go up against K|NP|N and see how they fair, as hes one of the invited. Also, Id point out that such people have a better undertanding as to whats really going on with the chips and the configs, and itd be pretty dangerous to try and fool them as well, and if they couldnt reproduce them from off the shelf chips, theyd be cutting their own throats as well, tho, there still may be NDA limitations, this may end here at these events, who knows
December 5, 2008 9:57:09 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Theres a couple of Demos going on right now , or a few hours on Deneb, hosted by AMD. 1 in Chicago, and 1 in SF. This may help put to rest some of the doubt of Denebs capabilties. Im wondering what well end up seeing from these demos?



Excuse me Jay, but how, precisely, does an AMD demo, of an AMD product, put any 'doubt' to rest? Because AMD has demonstrated honesty and accuracy in previous product demos? I think not. Or is it the "....they are only as good as their next product" mentality?


Until retail skus are in consumers hands, AMDs marketeering means nothing.

Oh, by the way, marketeering is my own made up word. A combination of martketing and racketeering, as thats what any PR division is....a bunch of organized criminals lying about a product in an organized campaign to hoodwink gullible consumers into buying.
December 5, 2008 10:05:25 PM

Im hoping more stuff is lifted from the NDA, and we get a better idea as to how these will perform. Whats interesting is, after reading the Hexus article and the Annands article on AMD and the 4xxx series respectively, it seems AMD has changed somewhat as to their openess.

Like Ive said, the first demo allowed for hands on, not alot, but some. Im sure after inviting the top ocers in the world, itll have hands on. What a way to market. Theres hope for their marketing team yet
December 5, 2008 10:09:57 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
While normally Id agree with you, the previous event allowed for a lil hands on, as these will as well

Id also point out that under the thinking that these are cherry picked cpus, or, that it can be done better than by those whove been invitede, all I can say is, let em go up against K|NP|N and see how they fair, as hes one of the invited. Also, Id point out that such people have a better undertanding as to whats really going on with the chips and the configs, and itd be pretty dangerous to try and fool them as well, and if they couldnt reproduce them from off the shelf chips, theyd be cutting their own throats as well, tho, there still may be NDA limitations, this may end here at these events, who knows


it doesnt make a difference jaydee. their whole spin is even stupider than the very same things you yourself criticized on the i7's with the released numbers. at the very least, the preliminary numbers were coming from independent entities and not Intel themselves. what are they trying to hide? i am trying to imagine your responses if Intel marketed along these lines.
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December 5, 2008 10:10:42 PM

Funny you bring up the 4800's They too were under NDA even though they were a good product. Thankfully there so many go in the system that some got released early causing the NDA to unravel. Too bad that probably won't happen here as its unlikely they are ahead of schedule right now.
December 5, 2008 10:18:49 PM



JAYDEEJOHN said:
Im hoping more stuff is lifted from the NDA, and we get a better idea as to how these will perform. Whats interesting is, after reading the Hexus article and the Annands article on AMD and the 4xxx series respectively, it seems AMD has changed somewhat as to their openess.

Like Ive said, the first demo allowed for hands on, not alot, but some. Im sure after inviting the top ocers in the world, itll have hands on. What a way to market. Theres hope for their marketing team yet



turpit said:
Excuse me Jay, but how, precisely, does an AMD demo, of an AMD product, put any 'doubt' to rest? Because AMD has demonstrated honesty and accuracy in previous product demos? I think not. Or is it the "....they are only as good as their next product" mentality?
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Which in no way shape or form answers the question above, but instead, side steps.
-NDAs being lifted have nothing to do with AMD demos. For that matter, AMD is not subject to its own NDA's
-The 4xxx series and how it was handled has ZERO bearing on any forthcoming products from AMD, or their 'openess'. If AMD was 'open', we wouldnt have Non Disclosure Agreements, now would we.
-Allowing hads on means nothing. Pick any analogy you want.....lets say an Air Force open house. The Air Force holding an open house and allowing children to climb into the cockpit of a F16 and get "hands on" contols does not make those children pilots, niether does it give them any experiance with the performance or limitations of an F16.
-Inviting the "top ocers" has nothing to do with, accesabilty, limits or perfromance, nor doe it imply anything about how the chip will actually perform. This is pure associative speculation on your part.


So, since you don't want to actaully answer the question, I willl.

An AMD demo of an AMD product does nothing to put any 'doubts' to rest, no more than an Intel demo of an Intel product would.

Nor for that fact of the matter, does any of the screen shots that have been flooding the forrums.
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December 5, 2008 10:19:39 PM

Any video feeds of these demos?
December 5, 2008 10:20:26 PM

So, youd believe Intel far less than some Joe on the internet? When C2D came out, guess what? We had the same responses were getting now. Oh, it cant be, its clocked to low to have this perf etc, and its from Intel, what do you expect? type quiries.

I understand where people are coming from, since it is coming from AMD, but these demos arent for Charlie and FUaD to come and see, this is for the top oceers, with some hands on. To me, its alot different having them there than the Inq.
December 5, 2008 10:23:26 PM

Itll be interesting if these non important oceers are allowed to outperform AMDs own, and to go higher in clocks than what weve already seen. But, again, as this is just an AMD demo, it wont count at all
December 5, 2008 10:26:21 PM

Where is the same standard you placed on the Nehalem "leaks" and demos? For someone who constantly complained about "hyping" Core i7, you seem to take a more "accepting" stance for Deneb. Hmmm...what happened to "If AMD does the same hyping thing, I will complain about them too"? Yeah....

Also, AMD did a full on hands on launch/demo event for "Spider" in Lake Tahoe a year ago. It was great, according to all those in attendance. They got to overclock a few select systems there, as well, if I remember correctly. And in the end, I think most of those in attendance gave glowing reviews of the systems tested there. Everyone was stoked about the Phenom 9900, 2.6GHz CPU, that was the main CPU at that event;

What was the overall verdict of those CPUs, after this launch event/demo? What was the highest frequency of Phenom at release? Was it 2.6GHz?

Just give ES to independent reviewers, and let the chips fall where they may.

December 5, 2008 10:29:13 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
So, youd believe Intel far less than some Joe on the internet? When C2D came out, guess what? We had the same responses were getting now. Oh, it cant be, its clocked to low to have this perf etc, and its from Intel, what do you expect? type quiries.

I understand where people are coming from, since it is coming from AMD, but these demos arent for Charlie and FUaD to come and see, this is for the top oceers, with some hands on. To me, its alot different having them there than the Inq.


Really? And how many of those Core 2 Duo results were from Intel demos? Or in house testing?

Most of those Core 2 Duo results were from 3rd party testers and/or independent review sites. Yes, no one could believe them, but huge difference is that - those results were not gathered by Intel, but sources outside of Intel.

Can you say the same thing about all this?
December 5, 2008 10:33:19 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
So, youd believe Intel far less than some Joe on the internet? When C2D came out, guess what? We had the same responses were getting now. Oh, it cant be, its clocked to low to have this perf etc, and its from Intel, what do you expect? type quiries.

I understand where people are coming from, since it is coming from AMD, but these demos arent for Charlie and FUaD to come and see, this is for the top oceers, with some hands on. To me, its alot different having them there than the Inq.



Im not talking about Intel, but there is a significant difference between Intels introduction of C2D, and AMDs recent 'introductions'.....and this has been commented on many times before.........Intel flooded the tech/review sites with ES's prior to the the actual release of C2D. Everyone and their brother had a C2D to test and write about......and they did just that. Independant reviews with VERIFIABLE results....not random screen shots which may or may not have been altered. And weve all ready seen enough fake screen shots to place all other screen shots (from anyone except the 2 or 3 known names) squarely and uncontestbley into the catagory "suspect"

What this has to do with is AMD is handling information about this release the same way they did with Phenom.......AMD controled and more importantly supervised access. When the NDA's are lifted, we will see who got the ES's and how many were shipped.

If AMD were to have 'learned its lesson" we would have already seen/or will be seeing shortly lifting of the NDA and a flood of unrestrcited reports from THG, Anand, HardOCP, Xtreme, etc. We havent. We may yet, as there is still time, but I wont suprised one way or the other.

And until such time as we do see those reports, everything else is just so much marketeering
December 5, 2008 10:37:46 PM

So, the first about i7 was also hype? Now thats a first. Of course this is hype, and its meant to be that way. Im just not stupid enough to think i7's "leaks" werent, thats all. This is real, true, honest to goodness hype, dont the right way, where it doesnt insult my intelligence.
Also, I was refering to Intels demos, as they were handed out, and proir. So, going from heatburst to C2D is acceptable now, but we have to go thru this alll over again because its AMD? Which has already done the pooch earlier with P1? And theyd be so stupid to do it again? I think Im now starting to understand how people actually thought those earlier posts about i7 were "leaks" and not hype
December 5, 2008 10:45:06 PM

Wow, and who was saying AMD has no marketing. They've got this train moving at full speed ahead, and momentum building every single day it seems. The web is absolutely buzzing and bursting at the seams with talk of Phenom II, Radeon (brilliant article by Anantech I must say), and upcomming Stream capabilities. This is a flatout sprint to the finish, with AMD relentlessly hammering home it's products it the minds of enthusiasts.
The only other kind of launch that generated close to this much excitement and buzz was probably Core2. I7's a non starter, being stuck on the starting blocks with zero acceleration. I feel winds of change.

heh
December 5, 2008 10:45:41 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
So, the first about i7 was also hype? Now thats a first. Of course this is hype, and its meant to be that way. Im just not stupid enough to think i7's "leaks" werent, thats all. This is real, true, honest to goodness hype, dont the right way, where it doesnt insult my intelligence.
Also, I was refering to Intels demos, as they were handed out, and proir. So, going from heatburst to C2D is acceptable now, but we have to go thru this alll over again because its AMD? Which has already done the pooch earlier with P1? And theyd be so stupid to do it again? I think Im now starting to understand how people actually thought those earlier posts about i7 were "leaks" and not hype



No, Jay, because to date, AMD has NOT handled this release like Intel handled C2Ds release. They have, as far as the eye can see, with the exception of making it a press junket to a third world country, handled this like the introduction of Phenom MkI. Lots of posturing and some supervised looking. If they did flood the market with ESs as Intel did, and the NDA's as soon to be lifted, we will find out otherwise. Until that moment, if it occurs, they are playing the same game of 'come into the showroom, take some pictures, touch the keyboard...........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand........your done'
December 5, 2008 10:52:26 PM

I wont look up all the links that proves hands on, even a video, but thats ok, find fault with how theyre doing it, thats cool. But it is getting attention, and it is working. Maybe some dont like this way, but its open in the respect that whats being shown is allowed, and not insulting to me, as in "leaks". I think allowing those "leaks" was lame, poor marketing hype, and fail. Its all up to how you like your info before the final showing
December 5, 2008 11:02:29 PM

These AMD RAN DEMOS, do not put any doubts to rest in my eyes. I know they arent going to go up on stage and lie about everything, but test performed by regular people for review on the net (anand, toms, whatever) are all I care about.

Dont show me slides of chips with every one of your products sitting at 100% while the competitions is at 45% or what not. What the hell is that percentage supposed to mean, percentage of ****? Do these people not understand that being honest will net more sales than lying? At least wait till AFTER your chip is for sale to lie....dont piss with the toilet lid down.
December 5, 2008 11:10:04 PM

Video drivers?

**EDIT** Ahhh wrong linkage. Multiplier of 31 is a little insane. And whats up with the "red paint" splashes on that motherboard around the socket and memory?
December 5, 2008 11:10:39 PM

oh i didnt buy the "leaks" either. i just think is is a special kind of stupid as marketing goes myself. as far as the actual product goes, i feel like i have learned nothing about it. the finished product is all that really counts so i wont equate poor, stupid marketing to a poor, stupid product. so yea.. as retarded as the "leaks" were, this is worse than an 8 year old performing a magic show.
December 5, 2008 11:14:04 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I wont look up all the links that proves hands on, even a video, but thats ok, find fault with how theyre doing it, thats cool. But it is getting attention, and it is working. Maybe some dont like this way, but its open in the respect that whats being shown is allowed, and not insulting to me, as in "leaks". I think allowing those "leaks" was lame, poor marketing hype, and fail. Its all up to how you like your info before the final showing



Jay....you dont have to look up any links........not a single one. Why? Simple....Phenom MkI in tunisia was also a "hands on" demo. And it failed to meets both AMDs and the fanboys speculation.

Now, if you want a link to the 'hands on' Phenom testing in tunisia, be sure to look for the one where the press rep really got a chance to play with the system....while the AMD shaparones back was turned....do you remember that particular 'hands on' demo, where the press rep broke the system within seconds? I suspect that even if you do remember it, you wont admit to it or bother looking for it as it is contrary to position that the public test by AMD of an AMD product constitutes valid proof.
December 5, 2008 11:18:34 PM

roofus said:
the finished product is all that really counts so i wont equate poor, stupid marketing to a poor, stupid product.


I can agree. The Phenom II 940 is on my wish list if it can topple my aging, hot Q6600 at a reasonable price. But these little demos are not going to turn me into an AMD fanboi or dismiss the Phenom II completely. They are really pointless.


December 5, 2008 11:22:11 PM

I remember it, and wont bother to look as well.
So, in your opinion, its here we go again? Interesting
December 5, 2008 11:28:31 PM

If we go by Intels last big release, it was i7, as they dont have gpus, tho the mighty Intel igps are No.1 , heheh. Anyways, going by that, they allowed for leaks of info.
Going by AMDs last major release, it was 4xxx series, so, if we look at the past, is it better to go by the most recent? or to spend our time living in the past, which include failures, especially P1, and their old marketing team, headed up by you know who, Hector.
Hes gone, theyre gone. New people, as I was ridiculed for applauding this as good news, while others were saying no firings or lettings go were good news for AMD, because its as if were to believe NOTHING about which AMD does is good
December 5, 2008 11:46:38 PM

I would suggest for everyone to read the comments on my previous link
http://www.techpowerup.com/78013/Phenom_II_at_6+_GHz_Ho...

It appears Im not the only one that has the perception of HKMG, and its usefullness, nor was I wrong in the way it was presented, and how 45nm reacts to vCores. This has been accepted as fact only because Intel got there first , using HKMG.

Id like more info as well as anyone else here, but since I saw how AMD has been misaligned, even some of it due to their own doings, to have such a negative, and actually thoughtless perception as to how things can change, and how 1 way isnt the only way, needs to change, and AMD needs to do just that. Show us AMD
December 5, 2008 11:48:30 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
If we go by Intels last big release, it was i7, as they dont have gpus, tho the mighty Intel igps are No.1 , heheh. Anyways, going by that, they allowed for leaks of info.
Going by AMDs last major release, it was 4xxx series, so, if we look at the past, is it better to go by the most recent? or to spend our time living in the past, which include failures, especially P1, and their old marketing team, headed up by you know who, Hector.
Hes gone, theyre gone. New people, as I was ridiculed for applauding this as good news, while others were saying no firings or lettings go were good news for AMD, because its as if were to believe NOTHING about which AMD does is good


Jay, Hector is NOT gone....he was promoted to executive chairman of the board of directors...in otherwords, he still is in power over Dirk. As sharp as Dirk is, (and he is sharp) , he still has to answer to Hector, and Hector can still drive AMD


AMD CEO Stepping Down

Leaks of info and 'Hands on previews are 2 different things. As far as leaks go.....again, with every fantard and their brother faking screen shots and benchies, and leak, i&, C2D, X40XX or Phenom Mk whatever, are all completely meaingless, aside from the garbage they generate.


In fact, wait for the next "leak"....I suspect it may show AMD at 700 GHz on .0009Vcore. How can I predict this? Simple....I'll be the one photoshopping it. Hell, I may as well make it an even 1THz.

As for the past, Jay....this is the same path that you took with the misqoute "...only as good as there next CPU"....and it still doesnt work. Intel was only as good as crapburst until after C2D had proven itself....which was after the actual retail product was in actual consumer hands. Screenies and staged tests mean nothing.
December 5, 2008 11:48:36 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I wont look up all the links that proves hands on, even a video, but thats ok, find fault with how theyre doing it, thats cool. But it is getting attention, and it is working. Maybe some dont like this way, but its open in the respect that whats being shown is allowed, and not insulting to me, as in "leaks". I think allowing those "leaks" was lame, poor marketing hype, and fail. Its all up to how you like your info before the final showing



Jaydee, If you think Intel can keep anyone from pre-releasing information on their processors you are naive. Do you know how many thousands of ES processors get sent out for each new processor generation?

Intel does not allow those "leaks" as you say. If a company in Asia gets 20 parts and they allow one to go home for a weekend you get a leak. If a small ISV gets some i7's before launch so they can start tuning their software to the processor and then some posts some runs that they did how is Intel to stop them.

My friend that works at Intel has told me that they spend plenty of time and money to try to prevent early leaks. The only way they can reasonably do that is to limit the total number of samples.

They just can't do that for a new Architecture. In fact, I know from my friend that this was the largest sampling of both Core i7's and the corresponding motherboard Smackover that Intel has ever done.

Why, because it was a new Architecture, a brand new socket. They can't be stingy with the ES.

I say again. You are very naive about how all of these leaks come about and Intel's ability to control them.
December 5, 2008 11:57:47 PM

As a matter of fact, I know where the leaks come from. Its the why as well as the allowed to here. Depends on the depth of the leak. Ever see a full homemade review leak of an Intel cpu? Theyre allowed, its good for business, as long as they dont go too far.
Yes, all those mobo makers come in with the leaks, thats no secret in itself. Understand the entirety of what Im saying, and dont go on snippets, or others interpretations of it
December 6, 2008 12:05:03 AM

Jay....how many of these so called "leaks" have been fantards or trolls falsifying info?


The vast majority, I would say.
December 6, 2008 12:20:23 AM

I agree. Thats one reason Im liking AMDs approach, its their neck on the line, and not some troll spreading FUD to rile people up. If what AMD is showing doesnt become reality for us, the consumer, its their @$$, whereas if Joe blow comes in with some real reproduceable "leak", to me, it carries less weight, and thus insults me firther.

The release date may have moved up, but even so, itll only be ready when its ready, not til then, so AMD is marketing like crazy, in a way, at least to me, which is fun and exciting
December 6, 2008 12:22:48 AM

Jay, I will just have to agree to disagree with your assessment of Intel and AMD's way of launching a new processor.
December 6, 2008 12:30:29 AM

In other words, I dont like not having all the info at my hands by irrefutable sources anymore than anyone else, but, at the same time, I feel less used by marketing when its actually AMDs rep on the line, and know its do or die for them, and give more respect to this kind of hype, as opposed to the other.
Id like to say that of course Intel tries to keep things in check, but the ones that get thru are obviously good for Intel, as long as theyre hitting on all cylinders, and theyve shown no recent reasons to be worried at all. To deny the results of this is wrong, and to me, shows a lack of understanding about leaks and how things go. As long as it doesnt go overboard, the "leaks" will continue
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December 6, 2008 12:52:10 AM

Quote:

-Allowing hads on means nothing. Pick any analogy you want.....lets say an Air Force open house. The Air Force holding an open house and allowing children to climb into the cockpit of a F16 and get "hands on" contols does not make those children pilots, niether does it give them any experiance with the performance or limitations of an F16.

Priceless!
December 6, 2008 12:52:55 AM

I'm almost sold. I just think it's true. No true arguments to talk about.

Perhaps it won't beat either Penryn or i7 in most/many tests, but there will be a 3.0 GHz Phenom II 940.

Shanghai was arguably well executed and Deneb is almost the same silicon, albeit with higher clocks/HT speed.

Now, about the leaks, Nehalem's 'previews' were almost as poor as Deneb's, except for Anand's and Hexus', from what I remember.

BTW, if Intel is so 'desperate' (well, just kinda) to show Nehalem reaching 5+ GHz while OCing, at least the frequencies part must be true.
December 6, 2008 1:04:06 AM

Shadow703793 said:
Quote:

-Allowing hads on means nothing. Pick any analogy you want.....lets say an Air Force open house. The Air Force holding an open house and allowing children to climb into the cockpit of a F16 and get "hands on" contols does not make those children pilots, niether does it give them any experiance with the performance or limitations of an F16.

Priceless!


omg.. how can you compare a CPU to a fighter jet? its a CPU! its not a 16 million dollar aircraft lol. i am sure guys at TH, Anand, etc qualify above the ability of a child. if anything, the independent sites do a great job of letting manufacturers see the real world potential for their product. i will let it go because i am sure we will see reviews soon enough but everything in between is a shameless recycling effort of the same dribble from AMD over and over. the same crap gets mentioned on another site and for some reason it is interpeted as new news lol
December 6, 2008 2:02:05 AM

I will say one thing to justify AMD's different way of previewing a processor.

AMD fans collectively hurt AMD more than Intel fans hurt Intel. As the underdog, fans crave attention harder. They are more inclined to exaggerate and fake evidence, which helps in the short term but hurts more later. By limiting leaks to official events, you control exactly what you fake, and you drown out the fan statements you can't control.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no difference in the way AMD and Intel present their CPUs. Cherry picking can be and is injected into both methods, and no matter how professional an overclocker you are, you can't tell whether your only sample is average or cream of the crop. The only difference that matters is the reputation of these PR and R&D teams.

I included R&D. The reason you often cherry pick an ES or demo chip is that early yields are poor. Your preview intends to reflect a future batch, so you cherry pick the current one to compensate. If your R&D is unstable, then you might overestimate your retail batch and really disappoint. If it's stable, then you'll predict accurately and consistently so that people trust you.

That's all it boils down to. Phenom got cherry picked for the preview, and B2 retail didn't perform. Given time, B3 eventually did perform, but too bad, R&D should have gotten B3 down at launch, not months later.

Now, AMD is previewing Deneb. They may be accurate, or they may be overestimating yields/quality again. What was the red flag that Phenom wouldn't perform? Existing Barcelona clocks. They were atrocious. 1.6-1.8 GHz parts to turn into 3.0 GHz in just a few months? Even a layperson should have severe doubts.

Does Shanghai exhibit the same red flag? At 2.3-2.6 GHz already (limited 2.7's), 3.0 GHz stock isn't at all hard to believe. But the 4.0 headroom could very well not show up. In advance of decent yields at 4 GHz under o/c conditions, there should be plenty of higher clock, higher TDP Shanghai units, and 5 weeks before the anticipated release, there aren't any.
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December 6, 2008 2:12:38 AM

Yeah, I'm sold to the 3 GHz stock, but we'll have to see on the OCing. I'd still be thrilled with a 3 GHz Phenom II even if it could only OC to 3.4-3.6 GHz (which seems reasonable). Also, aren't the server parts limited to really low TDPs?
December 6, 2008 2:26:03 AM

spathotan said:
And whats up with the "red paint" splashes on that motherboard around the socket and memory?
Probably sealant to protect against condensation. Just a guess.
December 6, 2008 2:30:32 AM

I like this video, he works for Canada's largest etailer (NCIX.com) so I`m sure he knows where to find these things :) 

http://www.linustechtips.com/ --4th or 5th video down

I like the results! And before anyone calls him a fantard or whatever you have been saying, check out NCIX`s forums - he`s a stand-up guy for Q/A, RMA, or other problems people encounter.
December 6, 2008 2:42:46 AM

Hmmm.......thats as close to real overclocking proof as weve seen. Good find.
December 6, 2008 2:50:25 AM

Hmm NDA lifting on 8 Jan but parts are shipping two to three weeks prior. Wonder what recent AMD launch this looks like, Barcelona or R700?
December 6, 2008 2:55:22 AM

skywalker9952 said:
Hmm NDA lifting on 8 Jan but parts are shipping two to three weeks prior. Wonder what recent AMD launch this looks like, Barcelona or R700?


Probably more like R700 as it appears that the launch has been moved up. The Techpowerup link Jaydee posted earlier says that the NDA is lifting on December 14th now.
December 6, 2008 4:28:43 AM

jevon said:
I like this video, he works for Canada's largest etailer (NCIX.com) so I`m sure he knows where to find these things :) 

http://www.linustechtips.com/ --4th or 5th video down

I like the results! And before anyone calls him a fantard or whatever you have been saying, check out NCIX`s forums - he`s a stand-up guy for Q/A, RMA, or other problems people encounter.

TY for posting that vid link, its the same one I saw a few days ago, and I referred to earlier. If I did it, it would have gotten much more attacks as to its credibility, so I didnt bother. Ive seen alot on Deneb, talked to quite a few people about it, and am exicted about it as well. If AMD was already doing well, Id be interested, just not to the degree I am now, as they truly need to come thru, and this is looking like itll help
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December 6, 2008 6:26:41 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Theres a couple of Demos going on right now , or a few hours on Deneb, hosted by AMD. 1 in Chicago, and 1 in SF. This may help put to rest some of the doubt of Denebs capabilties. Im wondering what well end up seeing from these demos?


Hmmm... it wont put any rest to my doubts. Phenom flashbacks anyone? Same thing happened then. AMD held the demos, had the review sites brought over there and wouldn't let them OC or anything really. That is also when they showed off the cherry picked Phenom running at 3GHz with Quad CFX HD2900XTXs with 1GB of memory and a much higher GPU clock. But then on release we saw none of it.

No what will put my doubt to rest is the sites getting their hands on it. Thats the only way for me.

spathotan said:
Enough of this. Ship out some ES'.....if they are so confident in its abilities then give some review sites a bite. The fate of my new potential build relies on realistic data from the 940.


Bingo. This is all 100% true. Its near impossible to trust anything from a demo sponsored by the company. Even Intel. They will always try to show it in the brightest light possible.
December 6, 2008 11:54:00 AM

Some infos trickling in :
"Deneb OC Results from San Francisco Event.

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Well guys went to the small conference they had for the Dragon Platform aka Deneb(Phenom II). They had the deneb oc'd to 5.8Ghz stable running the crysis bench. Pretty nice...they had the vcore up to 1.92(will probably pop the QX9650) on LN2. No coldbugs @ -140 are you serious?. I am very impressed!!! Its time for AMD to redeem themselves. AMD hit home run with this cpu. Best thing is they run stable on the 790GX no problems what so ever, had cpu-z pushed to 6.3Ghz. Were talkin a $275 cpu according to the AMD reps. Sure looks like there is definately going to be some heavy competition against the I7. Still compatible with AM2+ sockets...the Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H seems to be pushing the Deneb pretty good."

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20...

Looks pretty good so far
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