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Asked about this in another forum, but I figured the people here would provide a supplement :).

This is what I have so far. I'm amenable to suggestions!

(see following post. I messed up copy/paste)

I'm pretty sure I like the monitor (I don't need anything insanely nice--this one will do) and the video cards, but I simply don't know enough about computers to gauge the quality of the other products. I'm a little iffy on the processor and motherboard especially.

If anyone'd be willing to help me out a little, it'd be awesome :). Feel free to offer suggestions regarding ANY part. Keep in mind that I'm replacing everything.


Message edited by Smooge on 09-16-2008 at 06:29:24 AM
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err, sorry about bad links. this should be more convenient.

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Seagate ST3640323AS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

2x SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

Sony NEC Optiarc Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PVS24G8500ELKR2 - Retail

GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS5 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail

Reply to Smooge

For a $2000 rig, go with HD 4700 CF or overkill HD 4700X2 CF. It will wipe the floor with most every other me-toos. The rest are great.

Just in case you need the psu requirement:

http://game.amd.com/us-en/crossfir [...] s.aspx?p=3

Reply to auscanzukus

Dunno where you are, but I just made this list for someone else:

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/ [...] ID=6987394

Pick any parts you like there. The RAM is especially good. You do not need 1066 unless you are overclocking.

Another excellent option would be to get a P45 chipset and a single video card, such as the 4870X2

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Thanks for the suggestion, Auscan! By "the rest are great" do you mean that the rest of the parts I've chosen are great? Also, I'm not seeing HD4700 in that link.

Proximon-- thanks for the link! Unfortunately, though, I need a monitor as well, which would bump your list over $2000. The video cards there are probably a bit out of my range, but I could switch to your RAM, which would save some money, and use that extra cash to buy that quad core. I could switch the HD also, if the consensus is that the one you listed there is better than the one I listed above. I like that motherboard, also. I'll post an update asap. Really appreciated, guys

Reply to Smooge

The WD 640 is usually considered better than the Seagate.

Only go with the Quad if you think you will use it. Most games are not multi-threaded yet and programmers are only picking up quad support slowly. If you multi-task or have certain programs in mind, go for it though. It's a good CPU.

If I were making the purchase, I would likely not use less than the Hiper I listed... most likely I would use a Corsair 1000W. I like lots of margin.

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Yeah, I'm gonna upgrade to that Hiper, but I'll stick with the Core 2 duo I had originally. Any reqs on a motherboard? I like the one you had, but it's really expensive. Is there an alternative, and if so, what would I be losing?

Reply to Smooge

My mistake. It's HD 4870 CF & HD 4870 X2 CF.

Reply to auscanzukus
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Thanks, Proximon. I'm going with the first MB you listed. Here's an updated build:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

2 X -- SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

HIPER Type M HPU-4M880 880W Continuous @ 40°C (Maximum Continuous Peak: 1040W) ATX12V V2.2 & EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587 - Retail

DFI LANPARTY DK X48-T2RS LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 B2L-00047 Black USB Ergonomics Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM

NZXT TEMPEST Crafted Series CS-NT-TEM-B Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-05 - OEM

Reply to Smooge

That all looks great. The DFI should be a good MB, makes sure you report back once it's all together.

Reply to Proximon
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Not to beat a dead house (who's now not only dead, but misshapen from the bludgeoning,) but thank you, Proximon!

So, I assume everything's compatible. Am I forgetting anything? (I already have speakers, but no sound card) Now...to learn how to put this all together.

If I follow directions, is it fairly idiot-proof? What's really, really worrying me is this BIOS program I keep hearing about. I have NO idea as to how to set it up, update it, etc.

Reply to Smooge

I don't know why we don't maintain a sticky here with instructions. I would volunteer to edit it.

I would write up something today but I'm typing at 1/3 speed due to a Crysis related finger injury ;)

As I recall there are some good guides over at Maximum PC. There are also some good Youtube videos.

Whatever you do though, go to the arctic silver website and get the right instructions... after that you can look at the small write up I did specifically for HDT coolers at the bottom of this thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] 1283-e8400

Reply to Proximon

smooge, it is really easy to build the comp. in fact, I did it and I would/would have fit that "idiot proof" category.

Reply to mexpedip
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Heheh, good to hear :)

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Well, I ran the system through another forum -- not that I don't trust the people here... a second opinion is simply a powerful thing, especially if it affirms the first -- and they approved of everything except the power supply. Their problem wasn't the power, but the brand name. Does anyone know first-hand as to whether Hiper is a reputable brand with quality products?

Reply to Smooge

There is one web site that stands above all the others for testing power supplies, and they reviewed it:

http://jonnyguru.com/modules.php?n [...] ry&reid=91

If jonnyguru gives the unit a 9, you can bet it's right there with the best PSUs you can buy.

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Update: I've decided to go with that ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail. I don't like the cost, but it's so highly recommended on this board and on NewEgg that I'm going to go for it.

And while I've no doubt the Hiper psu is quality, the dearth of reviews on newegg and the fact that a lot of people with whom I've consulted have never heard of the brand has discouraged me. I've replaced it with CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply.

And since I'm a novice, I am considering a single HD 4850 (or 4870). I'd still get some reasonable performance.

Reply to Smooge
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Err...sorry, not posting to bump. Running in safe mode on this crippled comp. I don't see an edit button. Anyway, think I've decided to go with a single 4870 after looking at some benchmarks. Would this necessitate changes in any of the other parts I've chosen?

Reply to Smooge

As in you will never crossfire?

If so, the you don't need to spend so much on a MB. A P45 would be better.

You could also step down a bit on the PSU, or not. Up to you.

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Reply to Proximon
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Cool. How about:
ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Edit: ha! edit button showing up.
The ASUS has a combo deal with the processor upon which I've already decided. If it's a decent MB, it'll save me $35.


Message edited by Smooge on 09-19-2008 at 11:35:03 PM
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Good choices for sure.

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Awesome. I'll be ordering on Sunday. Anything else I need to know? Anything I'm forgetting? I probably need an ethernet card, I guess. The one in this comp is 6 years old and w/o an installation disc.

...actually, gonna check the MB on newegg to see if it comes with one. Battery too.

4870 1gb isn't much more expensive. Should I bother?


Message edited by Smooge on 09-20-2008 at 07:14:19 AM
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well if I were you, I will. Newer games will be (in future) (I think age of conan) make use of 1GB frame buffer. Today's games will not benefit much other than crysis. Look Here for HD4850 1GB : http://www.guru3d.com/article/giga [...] i-review/8

The 4850 1 GB transforms to 512MB 4870 (med settings) from 1024*768 all the way up to 1920*1080. So I will go for a 1 GB version. But other games no real difference, but still I believe 1 GB is better especially if its cheap.Last time, when 512MB video cards came out nobody saw the difference between 256 and 512. then came out 1 game (forgotten the name, sorry). That game saw a lot of gains with 512 MB card. Someone told me about that in the forums.

Bottom line, (sorry long post) get 1 GB version if it is not 50-80$ more than the 512MB version.

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Alright, well I'll have to see whether the MB and PSU can handle the 1gig model. If so, I'll get it. Gotta go to work for now, though. Will post the (hopefully) final build when i get back.

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Final build. Ordering later today. Am I missing anything? Any last-minute changes?
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-05 - OEM

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

SCEPTRE X24WG-1080P Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

VisionTek 900244 Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 B2L-00047 Black USB Ergonomics Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587 - Retail

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail


Message edited by Smooge on 09-21-2008 at 10:12:24 PM
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very nice, i guess you are gonna be overclocking with a rig like that =)


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Maybe, but not for a while. I really don't have the knowledge and would rather get the damn thing up and running well. I'm not a hardcore gamer -- I just wanted a rig that'd play modern games (and games 1 or 2 years down the road) adequately.

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation :). Like I said, I've done a lot of research, but I wanted to make sure everything was compatible.

Reply to Smooge
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well hope all goes well with the build

Reply to coleman
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Well, it's ordered! You have all been invaluable sources, so.. thank you! Now, to learn how to get this up and running :(. All the problems people have with homebuilts on this forum are scary.

Reply to Smooge
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Hey all :). I'm now on the new comp! Vista 64 wasn't the nightmare I thought it'd be. (Well, so far, anyway.) Heatsink was the most difficult to install. The two sticks of Mushkin also seemed to prefer a specific slot. Had to move the sticks, installing one in one slot, another in another, one at a time, etc. Good news is they both work. Also had some trouble getting the OS to find my HD, but that's obviously worked out. Didn't have to enter BIOS once -- for anything. Now I guess I just need to decide on an antivirus. Shouldn't be a proble. Thanks for the help, everyone!

Reply to Smooge

Good to hear it's mostly OK :) You should check that your memory is running at the correct voltage and timings though.

Reply to Proximon
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