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What's a better deal? 4870 512 or 1gb or gtx 260 216 core?

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October 12, 2008 3:39:12 PM

Ok so right now I've set my mind on a 1 GB radeon 4870 from Diamond because many folks here have been talking about future proofing for the later games coming out next yr. However in Canada, we've got a shortage of the 1gb version. I've already placed an order on that card and it cost me about $336 CAD (after tax and all that). I've waited about 2 weeks now and still no progress on their shipments. On the other hand I've found a guy who's willing to sell me his used 4870 512mb for $225 CAD. He used it for about 1 week but the risk I'm buying is that there's no warranty to cover (since warranty is not transferable). I have also the choice of an already available GTX 260 216 core for $317 (after rebate, tax.etc)

Do you guys think it's worth to wait for the 1 GB 4870? Should I go with just the used 4870 and forget about it? What about the already available GTX 260 216 core?

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October 12, 2008 3:47:55 PM

Read here:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-260-core...

I think you'll find the GTX 260 216 core more than competitive. It wins in most cases...

By the sound of your situation...you would be better off purchasing something NEW. Stay away from used, for without a warranty...there is no protectiion...

Oh, yeah...I own the EVGA Superclocked GTX 260 216...it is a monster. In most cases, as per the article...it matches the 280. Excellent card, and if you can get EVGA...their Technical Support and Customer Service is the best I have ever experienced. My last three cards have been EVGA. Incredible products backed by people committed to being the best...and they are...

Bob
October 12, 2008 4:18:49 PM

^+1 though i dont have the superclocked edition, it is EVGA though. i overclocked mine to the superclocked speeds. saved a little money that way. so i basically have the same card but for ~$20 less. get the stock board then overclock to the superclocked editions speeds with the utility that comes on the disk. oh and if your interested in benchmarking, it comes with 3dmark vantage after you register your card online. this card is a beast and will handle anything with high settings no problem, like above post it is like a GTX 280 only losing to the GTX 280 by like 1~5 fps in games. its a great buy.
October 12, 2008 4:29:37 PM

I would stay away from the SP216, it clocks less than the old 260. With the extra overclock room that the old 260 GTX has it can be pushed past the Oced 216 GTX and it will cost you 100$ less in some cases.

I would recommend the old 260 since it runs cooler, and when overclocked to FTW (and it can overclocked alot more from FTW) it outperforms the 260 SP 216 and the 280 GTX in most cases:D 



I wanted to also add that teh SP 216 is only on average 1-2 fps faster than the old 260 GTX, and that if your pushing for SP 216 prices, then your better off getting the 4870 1 gig, it has alot more potential going for it, but at the same time its a very hot running card!

If you grab the 4870 Gainward GS 1 gig, it runs alot cooler than other ATI 4870s
October 12, 2008 4:41:02 PM

well if u can get the super clocked version like the article then its a good buy but the stock clocked 216 cores are significantly slower then the super clocked ones...so u can either buy the superclocked versions if available or simply try overclocking the stock ones but obviously u can do the same with the 4870 as well....so my advice get the one which is "available" at the moment...u wont go wrong either way

P.S. make sure your case has enough room..the 260 is much longer then the 4870
October 12, 2008 4:42:00 PM

Actually I disagree with some of the above. But what do you mean found a guy? Ebay.. Or is he a friend or somebody that lives close to you anyways. If so you could always buy the card from him, and if it goes bad make a deal with him we're he'll ship it back.

I agree with the guys above if its something on ebay.. Or something were it might be hard to get in contact with the guy again.
October 12, 2008 4:55:58 PM

well it's something similar to ebay but for locals. But I'm just wondering if it's better to take the risk of no warranty and buy it off him or if the new cards + guarenteed warranty actually warrant the extra cost.

My question now then is... Say if I give up on 4870 (due to no stock) does that mean that if I buy the SC version, I can OC even higher or will it be the same as me OCing with a stock card to a higher level?
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October 12, 2008 4:59:15 PM

L1qu1d said:
I would stay away from the SP216, it clocks less than the old 260. With the extra overclock room that the old 260 GTX has it can be pushed past the Oced 216 GTX and it will cost you 100$ less in some cases.

I would recommend the old 260 since it runs cooler, and when overclocked to FTW (and it can overclocked alot more from FTW) it outperforms the 260 SP 216 and the 280 GTX in most cases:D 



I wanted to also add that teh SP 216 is only on average 1-2 fps faster than the old 260 GTX, and that if your pushing for SP 216 prices, then your better off getting the 4870 1 gig, it has alot more potential going for it, but at the same time its a very hot running card!

If you grab the 4870 Gainward GS 1 gig, it runs alot cooler than other ATI 4870s


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October 12, 2008 5:33:09 PM

murdoc said:
well it's something similar to ebay but for locals. But I'm just wondering if it's better to take the risk of no warranty and buy it off him or if the new cards + guarenteed warranty actually warrant the extra cost.

My question now then is... Say if I give up on 4870 (due to no stock) does that mean that if I buy the SC version, I can OC even higher or will it be the same as me OCing with a stock card to a higher level?


Same clocking capabilities. The sp216 is significantly lowered in stock capabilities even the Water cooling version can't clock as much as the old 260 GTX FTW which isn't water cooled.
October 12, 2008 6:44:52 PM

L1qu1d said:
I would stay away from the SP216, it clocks less than the old 260. With the extra overclock room that the old 260 GTX has it can be pushed past the Oced 216 GTX and it will cost you 100$ less in some cases.

I would recommend the old 260 since it runs cooler, and when overclocked to FTW (and it can overclocked alot more from FTW) it outperforms the 260 SP 216 and the 280 GTX in most cases:D 



I wanted to also add that teh SP 216 is only on average 1-2 fps faster than the old 260 GTX, and that if your pushing for SP 216 prices, then your better off getting the 4870 1 gig, it has alot more potential going for it, but at the same time its a very hot running card!

If you grab the 4870 Gainward GS 1 gig, it runs alot cooler than other ATI 4870s


so you're saying if I buy the old gtx 260 I can clock up to FTW speeds to catch up to the 216 core?

Cause I'm looking at the prices right now and the old GTX 260 SSC edition cost 20 dollars less than a 216 core SC edition. I'm not sure how significant an increase in 24 shaders will help the performance but theoretically you don't need to clock as high to achieve the same performance correct?
October 12, 2008 6:46:24 PM

@ FTW it will surpass the 216...even if its 1-2 worse lets say, is it worth and extra 50$-100$ for 1-2 frames?
October 12, 2008 6:52:00 PM

I can get the cheapest old GTX 260 there and I will save at most 33 dollars compared to a GTX 260 with 216 core. Should I get the gtx 260 216 core if it's only 33 dollars more?

The FTW edition is more expensive than the 216 core SC edition.
October 12, 2008 7:08:16 PM

because the FTW outperforms it, well I don't kno are you more into OCing? If you kno how to OC properly you can get much more out of the old 260 GTX, but if you want to play it safe then go witht he 216 if its only 33 $ more:) .

If I didn't have the 280 GTX I would've went for the old 260 GTXs I got my friend's GTXs to outperform my 280s @ stock In almost every game:D 
October 12, 2008 7:48:55 PM

I would assume you need to volt mod to get such high clock speeds which then would make me worry about temps. I can do a relatively mild OC but I don't want to keep my card pushed to max state all the time.
October 12, 2008 11:04:13 PM

well then if you want to play it safe go for the sp 216. The card stays relativly cool, on full load using my friend's 260 they ran @ 65 max and they were crazy overclocked, 762, 1250 and 1601 shader.
October 13, 2008 5:44:55 PM

L1qu1d said:
well then if you want to play it safe go for the sp 216. The card stays relativly cool, on full load using my friend's 260 they ran @ 65 max and they were crazy overclocked, 762, 1250 and 1601 shader.


Do you have any recommendations for aftermarket coolers that I can use if I decide to wait for 4870 1gb to arrive?
October 13, 2008 8:59:46 PM

Didn't really ever change coolers on a card (never had to even with quad GX2s) So I'm sorry i don't have any but I'm sure there are alot of users in the forums that can help you with that.
October 13, 2008 10:10:52 PM

I agree with Liquid, go with the original GTX 260. And if the EVGA FTW one outperforms the SP216 one then whats the big deal about paying more for it, at long as it isnt an absurd amount.

**EDIT** Nvm, read deeper into this, its $344 :D  Total rip. If thats the case then get the 1gb 4870. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... $300.
October 14, 2008 1:20:53 AM

Well the EVGA GTX 260 216SP I've found on DirectCanada is about 317 after tax, rebate and shipping.

The 4870 is about 20 bucks more expensive.

I'm trying to wait it out and hope for the 4870 to come soon. I've heard the new 1gb version has temp controls on the fans rather than the board which helps with measuring surrounding temps more accurate thus having the right speeds to keep the card cool without having to sound like a jet engine.
October 14, 2008 1:23:58 AM

well the 260s don't have temp problems so they dont need it:D 
October 14, 2008 1:26:12 AM

L1qu1d said:
well the 260s don't have temp problems so they dont need it:D 


yeah I was considering that as a reason I might want to look at GTX 260 but... ATI has DX10.1 and it seems to scale better in a lot of the tests especially under DX10 (vista). And since I'm going to most likely crank up the AA, I'll need an ATI card to help me :pt1cable: 
October 14, 2008 1:30:13 AM

4800's will definetly benefit you moreso at high res with AA.
October 14, 2008 2:08:35 AM

yup if you have a CrossF board;).

But even with AA cranked up the 4870s don't take the lead too much to justify the old 260 GTX, but against the SP 216 where they are the same price then yes.

DX 10.1 shouldn't be a reason, the 1 gig bandwidth is your reason:) .

I went with tri 280s because I have a tri board and also because they are the dominant cards when tri slied lol.

My second option was the 260 GTXs tri :)  but my friend didn't have em :p 

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-10...

I think the cards are soo close together that it should depend more on ur mobo then whats the price range:p .

October 14, 2008 2:09:02 AM

I got a question for you guys. If my PSU has 500W of power but only has 1x 6-pin connector do you think I can use their 6pin -> molex connectors to power my card or does that mean it won't support it?

@L1qu1d: Even though the GTX 260 216SP is priced the same as 4870, it has a tons of "rebates" which makes it cheapper than the 4870 and the fact is that it is available right now. I think it's nvidia's strategy to gain as much sales possible before 4870 1GB becomes largely available. I've placed an order at DirectCanada for $336 (tax, shipping.etc included) and recently the prices now have escalated to $365 (after tax, shipping.etc included) even though there's no stock still. It jumped by 30 dollars!!! I'm so glad I placed order early. I hope this also signifies that the shipments are arriving very soon cause I can't wait!

PS: I have Asus P5Q board which has only 1x PCI-E (x16) so I can't go CF. I had a choice of getting the P5Q-E edition but I figured I can't spend that much on graphics cards so I chose to save money. I think P5Q-E has CF at 8x/8x only the very expensive x48 boards support 2 PCI-E (x16) on CF.
October 14, 2008 2:25:10 PM

well then since its not crossFire then you chose the good card, since now your going to have to upgrade the mobo in the future anyways, you can make ur choice then:D 
October 14, 2008 7:37:22 PM

what about the current power issue that I have? Would I likely require a new PSU?
October 14, 2008 10:26:31 PM

the 6 molex should be ok. when i ran tri 260s I didn't have enough six pins available, Corsair has 4 six pins and 6 eight pins, if I counted right, so I just used the 4 pin to 6 pin molex.

It came wiht my friend's cards. They just convert 2 [o o o o] [o o o o] converted into:

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It will work fine:)  for 1 260 or 1 4870, nothing more:)  (The 280 and the 4870 X2 are out of the question, same with the 9800 GX2)
October 14, 2008 11:01:40 PM

thanks for the info. That gave me a sigh of relief. Otherwise I'll have to quickly make my purchase for a more powerful PSU and I'm just not ready to fork out more cash yet =)
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