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October 14, 2008 3:16:03 PM

at the start when nvidia said it was putting aside two to three hundred million $ i thought to my self its going to cost three times that and they dont want to tell the shareholders/investor's, basically i have a mistrust for most corporate bodies, governments, basically i feel you have to keep an open mind and take anything they tell you with a bit of scepticism, well back to nvidia its been confirmed by apple that the g92 is defective (shock horror) well not for the sceptical anyway, but you have to feel sorry for the poor investors (NOT!) what i would like to know is, your feellings on this news do you feel betrayed or angered by this in anyway


http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/10/13/...
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October 14, 2008 3:41:17 PM

You're talking the inquirer and chuckles demerjian, can you say yellow rag journalism any louder ?
October 14, 2008 3:49:57 PM

Someone smell hippies?
You can only mistrust something you trusted to begin with, most of us know better.
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October 14, 2008 3:59:18 PM

you can knock the inquirer but they have been spot on so far with this nvidia's duff laptop parts, but as i said above you've got to keep a bit of scepticism in life


yes most of us no better, and thats the point of this thread to find out
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October 14, 2008 4:04:13 PM

LOL, right, capitalism stinks. However, the other alternatives invented so far stink worse. I'd still prefer Canada to North Korea or Iran for example.

I don't hate nVidia myself. OK, my 8800GTX works like a charm. If I had one of the newer cards that are affected I'm sure I'd be mad at them.
October 14, 2008 4:11:55 PM

Betrayed or angered? He!! no I had no stock in that company.

I do feel betrayed and angered by the Marxist policy of the Democrats to lower the loan standards to get houses into the hands of the needy, that could not afford it, at the expense of throwing the entire economy into turmoil.

I am also pissed that in ~2003 the same Democrats (if you want alist of names ask me and I will gladly provide them along with video of them saying it) were wanting to investigate the people that wanted the whole Marxist plot investigated (read Republicans), insisting there was no trouble with the (corrupt) Fannie May and Freddie Mac. And those same a_holes are now blaming the Republican President for causing it. Talk about large balls. Obama and his cronies are up to their necks in it.

I could go on and on and on, but you get the point.

So you be pissed at Nvidia, I've got more important things to be pissed about.
October 14, 2008 4:22:09 PM

Zorg said:
Betrayed or angered? He!! no I had no stock in that company.

I do feel betrayed and angered by the Marxist policy of the Democrats to lower the loan standards to get houses into the hands of the needy, that could not afford it, at the expense of throwing the entire economy into turmoil.

I am also pissed that in ~2003 the same Democrats (if you want alist of names ask me and I will gladly provide them along with video of them saying it) were wanting to investigate the people that wanted the whole Marxist plot investigated (read Republicans), insisting there was no trouble with the (corrupt) Fannie May and Freddie Mac. And those same a_holes are now blaming the Republican President for causing it. Talk about large balls. Obama and his cronies are up to their necks in it.

I could go on and on and on, but you get the point.

So you be pissed at Nvidia, I've got more important things to be pissed about.


McCain and his troop must be slow and dense.
Obama is looping easy balls into McCain's court and he can't hit them back.
That is the scary part.

But you are correct, Obama's Current economic adviser was President Clinton's advisor who pushed for the relaxed regulations. So he is now blaming the republicans for what his advisor did. And I love how he tries to blame McCain for the Oil Company tax breaks when he voted for them and McCain voted against. Sure he tries to justify his vote, but he certainly has no leg to stand on to say a bill was bad when you voted for it and then try to blame those who opposed it.

None of this is to say I endorse Obama or McCain.
I want to call a mulligan on the Presidential Primaries so we can start again.
But we should ban everyone who ran before because few if any were decent.
I think the good candidates saw the economy thing coming and ran for the hills.

I would be all for electing Warren Buffett :>

October 14, 2008 4:23:42 PM

I love it when people question the honesty of big, greedy corporations... as if that's the problem. The root of the problem is greedy PEOPLE... some of these people work for corporations... but there are just as many in churches, government and small businesses. Anyone who attempts to vilify corporations (to me) is selectively choosing what parts of reality to believe in.

That said... my 8800 GTS is working great in my laptop. At the time of purchase (and maybe even now) ATI had no comparable mobile part... and the fact that I could get such a great (relatively speaking) GPU in a $1500 Blu-Ray equipped laptop... well, that makes it that much better.
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October 14, 2008 4:23:53 PM

Good to know someone knows whats going on, good call Zorg
October 14, 2008 4:43:18 PM

Yeah, you see this stuff, then you see the polls and wonder if the entire US population are idiots.
October 14, 2008 5:01:47 PM

Zorg you forgot Barny *** er Frank and his "Lover" that used to be over at Fannie Mae.
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October 14, 2008 5:14:14 PM

Zorg said:
Betrayed or angered? He!! no I had no stock in that company.

I do feel betrayed and angered by the Marxist policy of the Democrats to lower the loan standards to get houses into the hands of the needy, that could not afford it, at the expense of throwing the entire economy into turmoil.



Yeah, it was the Clinton administration that started this mess with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9c0de7db153ef933a0575ac0a96f958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

I know it's the American Dream to own your own home, but this has turned into a financial nightmare. Easy mortgages have gotton a lot people into deep trouble. People are either walking away from thier home or worse, simply burning them down. Fortunately, I don't know anyone who is financially underwater.

The blame shouldn't just be put on Fannie and Freddie though because banks played a role as well by enticing people with ARMs (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) which starts out with very small payments because of relatively low interest rates, but after a few years the interest rate gets adjusted based on a number of indices (usaually upwards) and can turn out to be a very expensive mortgage.

On top of that, investment banks have also securities all these various types of mortgage loans into a product called tranches which basically slices and dices these loans into various risk securitues products. Higher grade tranches gives lower returns because of the inherent lower risk while those rated at below investment grade (less than BBB) earn higher returns (most likely those loans with little or no income verification).

But the blame also should fall on the consumer as well. Yes, home loans are offered to people, sometime ridiculously large mortgages (image taking out a mortgage that is 4x your current income) by the banks. But they are not forcing the consumer to sign on the dotted line. People are just thinking about the American Dream figure well I only make $75k, but I think I can afford a $300k mortgage with little or no money down.

While I am at it, I might as well throw in the concept of mark to market; a fair value accounting rule created by the Financial Accounting Standards Board. While the purpose is to provide investment transparency (i.e. what is the value of an investment if it was sold today), it actually created havoc in the market. Fear in the market cause the "assumed" fair value of 30 year loans to literally fall off the precipice and plumment into massive unrealized losses. Come on, how many investment banks out there are literally going to sell off all their mortgage backed securities in a single day, every day?
October 14, 2008 5:15:15 PM

bobbknight, I didn't forget. I thought of naming names, but then I decided to offer a list and wait until I was asked. The rant was too long anyway.

I do agree with zenmaster, McCain had better take the gloves of and start attaching blame where it belongs or we will have a Marxist President.
October 14, 2008 5:25:39 PM

more to pissed about, yes in this point in time there is more to be pissed about like all of us putting a strain on natural resources take the UK for example there sticking more and more ppl in to the UK than ever before (just to say there's growth in the economy) but the DHSS (the department of health and social security) is stretched to breaking point and after all the news this week i would say the hole world is at braking point and i don't see a better way than capitalism but saying that corporations have to take a back seat for a while and we have to cut back the population of the world by half over the next two hundred years (lets face it we all want super computers and fast cars) if we don't i can see the end for the human race so the grand scheme of things it matters little
October 14, 2008 5:29:48 PM

From http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9c0de7db...

"Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped..........In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that by the year 2001, 50 percent of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers. Last year, 44 percent of the loans Fannie Mae purchased were from these groups......The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the automated underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine the credit-worthiness of credit applicants. "

Clinton era pushed hard for minorities to be treated better, and so Fanny Mae responded with this program. Republicans followed that up with deregulation, which the controls over who qualified. Greedy people then started lying on people's applications - stating they had higher incomes than they did, etc...what was that site - fakepaychecks.com?

Money from the tech sector bubble moved over to real estate, including massive amounts of capital from overseas. When the housing market tanked (wow, you mean my payment is going to be what?) that money was then put into oil speculating - which hit a peak not so long ago. Where's the money at now? That's easy, Gold.

Start melting the old chipsets down everyone, the gold in the tracings worth more than you'll get for your old computer on ebay.

My take on the whole topic? I think we've had idiots in charge for to long. Next question please.
October 14, 2008 5:33:25 PM

I love Marx and his work....

(Socialized healthcare FTW!!)
October 14, 2008 5:33:39 PM

jaguarskx, there is plenty of blame to go around. The banks couldn't have done it without the regulations allowing it. And then you have Raines who's up to his neck in it, and where's Obama on this?
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"calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."
And of course there's Mudd.

Classical Values :: Raines In Obama Parade

Some of these a_holes need to be stripped of the ridiculous amounts of money they made and possibly go to jail.

At a minimum, it needs to be made clear that Obama is up to his neck in this sordid Marxist affair, and still surrounds himself with these people.

We should expect, if Obama gets in, that these people will be in the upper echelons of the government advising him on the correct actions to take.

Am I the only one that is scared sh!tless?

October 14, 2008 5:33:50 PM

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October 14, 2008 5:36:25 PM

Dekasav said:
I love Marx and his work....

(Socialized healthcare FTW!!)
You are either joking or you have no idea what you are talking about.
October 14, 2008 5:37:48 PM

I'm done.
October 14, 2008 5:42:23 PM

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USE FULL FCUKING STOPS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



i stand by my commitment (seemed like a good idea at the time) to stay at home with my tonka truck while ever one of my friends where at school
October 14, 2008 5:45:03 PM

well, britain seems like a millpond of corruption compared to the *seemingly* raging storms in america.... but regardless of who gets in, you should be glad that the average IQ in the white house has gone up 50 points ^^
October 14, 2008 6:03:39 PM

my sister works in the infectious diseases department and there's a guy from Nigeria in there with some hard to treat TB and they just spent a cool one million £ on getting special drugs from America for this guy, so i would say the UK is more of a mess than the USA
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October 14, 2008 6:14:04 PM

Zorg said:
jaguarskx, there is plenty of blame to go around. The banks couldn't have done it without the regulations allowing it. And then you have Raines who's up to his neck in it...



Yep, that's why I blamed:

1. The Fed
2. Banks (Commercial / Investment)
3. Individual's stupid enough to sign on the dotted line.
4. The FASB
October 14, 2008 6:35:35 PM

Your right, it's all of the above.

[/really done]
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October 14, 2008 7:14:47 PM

I certainly distrust policies that where the risk is put onto the government. Fannie Mae freed the banks from responsibility for their high risk loans, and the government freed Fannie Mae from its responsibilities. The "Government will bail us out" mentality is what created the debacle that occurred.

They obviously went a lot further than just doing risky loans that they could sell to Fannie Mae. Otherwise, only Fannie Mae would have failed.

The bottom line is that the banks were freed of being accountable and responsible for their decisions. And without accountability comes corruption and greed.

People that think the government can run the healthcare system (or anything really) better than the private sector scare me the most.
October 14, 2008 7:52:59 PM

Some of you are confusing me. You're angry at the Fed for not having strict enough regulation on the banks, thereby allowing them to do stupid (yes stupid, not risky) things, but incredibly anti-socialist. Let's see, what does socialism do...oh...it chronically regulates EVERYTHING. You can't say "we need more regulation" and "SOCIALISM IS TEH H0RR0RZ!!" at the same time.
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October 14, 2008 8:29:30 PM

Come to think of it, people who say "TEH H0RR0RZ!!" should not have a right to vote.
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October 14, 2008 8:43:52 PM

Zorg said:
Betrayed or angered? He!! no I had no stock in that company.

I do feel betrayed and angered by the Marxist policy of the Democrats to lower the loan standards to get houses into the hands of the needy, that could not afford it, at the expense of throwing the entire economy into turmoil.

I am also pissed that in ~2003 the same Democrats (if you want alist of names ask me and I will gladly provide them along with video of them saying it) were wanting to investigate the people that wanted the whole Marxist plot investigated (read Republicans), insisting there was no trouble with the (corrupt) Fannie May and Freddie Mac. And those same a_holes are now blaming the Republican President for causing it. Talk about large balls. Obama and his cronies are up to their necks in it.

I could go on and on and on, but you get the point.

So you be pissed at Nvidia, I've got more important things to be pissed about.


Dspite the fact it was republicans which loosened the banking regulations in '99 by a vetoproff majority, and then played election year politics to make sure Clinton signed it? Or how Republicans tried to pass a law in 2005 that would "technically" increase oversight...after one year of the bill being passes, while allowing Freddie/Fannie to go into any industy that has any relation to the mortgage market? Nope, its all Democrats fault. :D 

Trust me, you DON'T want to start a debate with me.
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October 14, 2008 9:41:17 PM

Dekasav said:
Some of you are confusing me. You're angry at the Fed for not having strict enough regulation on the banks, thereby allowing them to do stupid (yes stupid, not risky) things, but incredibly anti-socialist. Let's see, what does socialism do...oh...it chronically regulates EVERYTHING. You can't say "we need more regulation" and "SOCIALISM IS TEH H0RR0RZ!!" at the same time.


To reiterate my first post (and clarify a few things [probably confuse people too]):

1. I blame Clinton for initiating the situation by forcing Fannie Mae to relax lending requirements so that even low income individuals can achieve "the American Dream".

2. I blame the Republicans for not correcting Clinton's mistake (perhaps they couldn't), and also deregulation.

3. I blame commercial banks [Fannie and Freddie] for making bad loans due to Clinton's mandate.

4. I blame investment banks for creating mortgage backed securities and dividing everything into different investment grade tranches. Some tranches are made of fractured mortgage loans (i.e. 25% of mortgage #1, 10% of mortgage #2, 15% of mortgage #3, etc.). This makes identifying and valuing the tranches very difficult.

5. I blame the American people for thinking that they can take on huge mortages (3x or more of current salary) with little money down or no money down. They also taken on variable rate mortgages where they truly did not know that mortgage payments can substantially increase. I blame the American people for trying to flip houses to make a profit, thus driving up property values and also taking on additional mortgages that they definitely could not afford.

6. The FASB (Financial Accounting Standards Board) for requiring mark to market every single day for all investments. Not really too bad as it provides transparencies for investors to know the daily value of various securitized products an institution has. The problem (simply stated) it forces everyone to value thier tranches every single day in the event they were to be sold on the market on that particular day.

As people began to default on mortgages the various tranches became theoretically de-vauled. As more and more people finally realized they could afford thier mortgages, more people defaulted which started a run on these tranches. As one investment bank downgrades the values of their mortgage backed securities, all other investment banks must also make right downs. This creates a spiraling affect out of fear in the market, thus causing investment banks to loose value in thier investment assets.

In short, this causes a run on the banks since losses in the value of their investments drop, thus stock prices begins to fall. As stock prices begins to fall, more and more people sell investment bank stocks, thus causing stock prices to fall even more. As stock prices falls people loose confidence in the banks, thus pulling out money and investments. As this happens investmnet banks (might as well include mutual company too) must raise money to make payout to clients. This leads up to a mass sale of stocks, bond and other types of exotic invesmtent products. This causes a run on the stock market in general were the Dow Jones Industrial Average falls 300, 500, 800 points in one day. [Note: I am leaving out a lot of crap].

As bank stocks decrease in value even more people pull money out. It becomes more difficult for them to borrow money to maintain a minimum cash on-hand requirement due to thier fallen credit ratings. Banks starts failing, the Fed must step in and the FDIC insures and pays out up to $100,000 for cash in savings, checking, and CDs. More people start pulling out money, and more banks begins to fail. It's a vicious cycle.

Finally, the Fed steps in and props up the financial sector by promising up to $750 billion dollars will become available so that banks can maintain liquidity. The US enters the era of socializing banks in America. The world is not very far behind as they too start to nationize thier banks. In all the governments of the world has become a reliable counterparty for all banks, thus bringing back credit liquidity and financial confidence (at a certain level) into the world market so that a global depression is possibly avoided. However, a recession cannot be avoid.


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October 14, 2008 9:50:00 PM

The government should be there for a fix all, but they should not BE the fix all. Creating these things, experimenting with anything and all things social was bad enough, but including the economy is going too far. This isnt capitalism, this is pure socialism. Sure, we can distrust companies for trying to get our dollars and then deceiving us, but we cant AFFORD that from our governments. I laughed when the big blizzard hit NY city, and they didnt know what to do, and waited on the government to bail them out. Whats wrong with 10 million snow shovels digging themselves out? At least a company behaves within the laws set forth, but when the law makers bend or make laws to create something that didnt priorly exist, its probly for a good reason. And a company will just either lose money, its heads may go to jail or it could go bankrupt, but the government just points fingers and blames the other guy, even when its them that does it. Donna Shalala, now the current president at the U. of Miami, now theres someone to fear, not nVidia. The laws set forth will act accordingly towards nVidia, if theyre in violation, and public opinion will have its day, so theres no way nVidia, if found or seen as slacking on this problem will get away with it, just ask your congressman, as Im sure he'll make sure nVidia at least obeys the law
October 14, 2008 10:13:42 PM

The whole problem isn't the government, nor the business men, or the CEO's it a cooperative effort from all of us, as sad as it it.

I've seen people complain, even rant to tax accessors because they can't afford taxes on a house that they got cheap because it wouldn't sell. People should look, and be weary when making and investment (Think hard when your house is assessed at 1M$ and you only have to pay 600,000 for it) Now none of that is to say that corporations don't have their part in it. CEO's and the likes should have to bail themselves out of their own problems not take about $10,000 from every American tax payer, when they have NO real connection to what real life is like when they get bailed out and party in Cali spending roughly $500,000 on their personal enjoyment. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5973452&page=1)
Whether or not it's for the better or further downfall of the companies I think that the CEO's and company directors should have to know what it is like to lose something and should have to watch their dreams fall like stars because of their own mishandling not ours. I don't think they should be able to negotiate a bargain with politicians that gives them 100 Million dollar++ severance pays when their company gets bailed out. Not out of my families money.
October 14, 2008 10:32:48 PM

politics, blaaa
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October 14, 2008 11:00:23 PM

how can you like mccain? sure obama isn't the best... but cmon... McCain is a **** 72 year old with a **** idiot as the vice president

Hes literally a heart beat away from making a dumbass become president... Palin can not simply be ignored... I do believe that people should vote for the candidate and not the VP but a 72 year old person who has already suffered a lot... I mean cmon...

Also just look at him... I know hes got physical disabilities... but do you really want someone who appears so in pain and constrained leading your country?

Its not just policies, its their appearance towards the world, and McCain has been through a lot... perhaps too much

But also... look at him smile... its so **** fake... I just crack up when I watch him, his smiles are so forced and ugly, real smiles are nice, but when watching McCain its like a big joke

I can't vote yet so I can't really go on at this, but McCain just doesn't seem fit to lead in my opinion, although Obama does have his issues and does have ties into some questionable people and policies... hes the future... McCain is not...

I can tell you one thing... as a member of the younger population... I know EVERYONE at my school would vote Obama if given the chance, and most people my age would vote obama... its the old loons(no offense :D ) that keep holding this country back to old ideas

BTW: all the 4 letter astericks (spelling ? hehe have no clue) words are actually "f***ing" it never includes the ing

Also just ignore all the grammatical mistakes, english is not my strong point
October 15, 2008 12:27:43 AM

Nobody actually answered my question. In simple terms, it was: How can you be mad at de-regulation of markets (capitalism) and be mad about the ~ $700B in Gov't bailouts (socialism).

Also, Marx did great work.
October 15, 2008 4:07:24 AM

Dekasav said:
Nobody actually answered my question. In simple terms, it was: How can you be mad at de-regulation of markets (capitalism) and be mad about the ~ $700B in Gov't bailouts (socialism).

Also, Marx did great work.
Ok I'm back.

I'm not happy about what needed to be done to stop the economy from coming to a screeching halt. You are right it is socialism. Unfortunately, the alternative is a massive world wide depression and that is worse. We must ensure that this little bit of socialism is short term and that the government gets the he!! out as soon as possible.


Don't misunderstand the fact that if it were not for the Marxist actions on the front end we wouldn't be in this position in the first place. Additionally, everyone must understand that it is the fault of the Democrats and not the Republicans. No one seems to understand that.

Don't get me wrong the Republicans in Congress are worthless as well, but the blame should fall where it belongs.

Does that answer your question?
October 15, 2008 4:25:50 AM

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I can't vote yet so I can't really go on at this, but McCain just doesn't seem fit to lead in my opinion, although Obama does have his issues and does have ties into some questionable people and policies... hes the future... McCain is not...

I can tell you one thing... as a member of the younger population... I know EVERYONE at my school would vote Obama if given the chance, and most people my age would vote obama... its the old loons(no offense :D ) that keep holding this country back to old ideas
Thank God you aren't old enough to vote. Go back and look at your post. Everything you said was about how McCain looks and makes you feel. That's a real good reason to choose the next President. Don't get me wrong McCain is not my first choice, but of the two remaining there is no contest. I hope you learn something between now and when you can vote, because currently your reasoning is pitiful.

I don't expect that to happen though, because 90%+ of the teachers out there are Marxists, especially in the colleges and universities. Ayers, a self proclaimed terrorist, is a professor, WTF? This douche is molding the minds of our young?

Why do you thingk ACORN and the Democrats are trying to get the vote out. Do you think there is some altruistic intention? I hate to burst you bubble but it's because the young vote more Democrat. You ask why? Because they vote on the same criteria that you presented above. It is a sad world we live in.

The only hope I have is that Obama, if he gets in, will get the full understanding and change his attitude. It is possible, he is already hedging his bets on several points. Unfortunately, I suspect it's just to get elected.
October 15, 2008 5:14:20 AM

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how can you like mccain? sure obama isn't the best... but cmon... McCain is a **** 72 year old with a **** idiot as the vice president

Hes literally a heart beat away from making a dumbass become president... Palin can not simply be ignored... I do believe that people should vote for the candidate and not the VP but a 72 year old person who has already suffered a lot... I mean cmon...

Also just look at him... I know hes got physical disabilities... but do you really want someone who appears so in pain and constrained leading your country?

Its not just policies, its their appearance towards the world, and McCain has been through a lot... perhaps too much

But also... look at him smile... its so **** fake... I just crack up when I watch him, his smiles are so forced and ugly, real smiles are nice, but when watching McCain its like a big joke

I can't vote yet so I can't really go on at this, but McCain just doesn't seem fit to lead in my opinion, although Obama does have his issues and does have ties into some questionable people and policies... hes the future... McCain is not...

I can tell you one thing... as a member of the younger population... I know EVERYONE at my school would vote Obama if given the chance, and most people my age would vote obama... its the old loons(no offense :D ) that keep holding this country back to old ideas

BTW: all the 4 letter astericks (spelling ? hehe have no clue) words are actually "f***ing" it never includes the ing

Also just ignore all the grammatical mistakes, english is not my strong point


More or less what thogrom said.

Seriously, motha **** McBush???????????????????

Who the hell needs another goddamn motha **** republican in the white house....

I voted for Ron Paul simply b/c [he was the best candidate, period!] We do not need bigger government yet under the republicans it grew, what was that number again?

How is it that the one true republican cannot get his voice heard in what is supposed to be a fair election??? Everyone likes to blame the media, but face it, it wasn't the media that failed Ron Paul it was the simple fact that the best candidates rarely if ever come to office, they are shot down in cold blood, and basically told STFU; We have billions of dollars we need to make and we don't need a government that actually works for it's own people rather we need to support that top 2% of income's b/c you know they probably don't have enough as it is...


10 fold, are you **** kidding me..and in that same time what exactly grew? useless agencies who were created not too find terrorists or even combat terrorism rather spy on American citizens, take away our civil rights, and son....you guys are getting hung over what freddie an fannie did, you guys clearly are blind sided and SOUND LIKE some real Idiotic if not clearly stupid pricks... seriously...


But you know what I could care less who wins b/c face facts, what will change is nothing however I guarantee you negative results if McBush gets elected. Sarah Palin and McBush have had many rallies where obama'a name was called out and threats such as off with his head, we don't need a terrorist/traitor in office, much much worse but hey you can't say the N-word here right??? have been said almost as if civilization will come apart if Obama gets elected...A black man getting elected hurts white Americans this much????

Do you have any idea how many times Mainstream media has said Obama's name, and instead said Osama. Seriously how many times can you confuse Barrack Hussein Obama with Osama Bin Laden??????

You know there has been video commercials that basically came out and presented pictures of Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton and then would show a picture of Obama and say do you want a celebrity as our president.

First off if you don't know what's wrong with this than maybe you guys truly have no idea how bad it is.. or the racist tendencies that this country only 50-ish years ago shook off [legally speaking] ..or maybe you guys live in a bubble and think computers will be your Messiah, seriously w/e it is please do not spout off politics in a section that there is simply no need for it.

Similar thing happened to Maziar's thread where all he did was share his Iranian heritage and it was purely a nationalistic holiday nothing to do with religion and what did some of you guys say, OMFG Moslems, we gotta kill all the motha **** terrorists and these goddang A-rabs. Now that was slightly exaggerated, but the point is there is too much at stake to even allow Mcbush in, forget about whether or not Obama has economic adviser's that were the same as the one's Clinton used. Forget about financial institutions that have CEO's and boards that have too much power and should never be allowed to control OUR government so much as they do...Just vote for Obama simply b/c McBush is the worst possible candidate that as a country we do not need to invade anymore countries, give insane tax breaks to the top 2%, We simply do not need to put any of OUR soldiers in harm's ways, Period!

You really think McBush is the answer, wasn't the last 8 years proof that to say the least we need to try something different?

So all I ask for is a call for sanity, all of those who have some sanity, please stand up now and at least acknowledge the truth, I know I may come off a little rough around the edges but I gotta call it exactly as I see it, b/c if I don't then who the **** will???


I really do apologize if I hurt anybodies feelings, pride, or maybe even just killed that mob mentality that you got after the KKK rally you just got back from, w/e it is I am truly sorry b/c hey it is a free country, right????



October 15, 2008 5:20:23 AM

Nice rant, but you are way off base. Try reading the posts again.

Whatever makes you happy.
October 15, 2008 6:41:27 AM

this thread has went way off topic
October 15, 2008 6:45:31 AM

You started it. :lol: 
October 15, 2008 8:17:26 AM

Zorg said:
You started it. :lol: 


LoL, QFT!!!

Anyways I feel better, once you get a lot of crap off your mind it really does help.

So what if our futures are going to hell on a McBush/Palin ticket, oh well, Canada, well fcuk it many countries are starting to look real nice...

and Zorg I was only responding to what was perceived as ignorance, if I leave ignorance alone it has a way of screwing everybody in the end, right?

But I do have the utmost respect for you man, so trust me little to if anything there was directed towards you in any shape, way or form.

Sometimes, it just kills me at the ignorance of people, forget politics, and put that nasty thing aside.

I'm sure you'd agree w/ me on the simple statement that if what they say is true and that in this day and age politicians have to dumb down their speeches to a 6th grade level, when not more than 50 years ago they were speaking at a college level it has become clear that far too many people are either not valuing education or have become and are purely ignorant...

That is the single saddest point of the present situation, plain and simple, well there is more to it than that. But I think that has alot to do with it to say the least.
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October 15, 2008 12:00:48 PM

rant threads ftw!!!
October 15, 2008 1:47:29 PM

This thread does a lot to remind me why it is rude to discuss politics in public.

Give it up guys, you are not going to change any opinions on this forum. Just look at how die hard people are about computer part loyalties around here, changing political views is hopeless.
October 15, 2008 3:33:13 PM

My dad, God rest his soul, said "Never discuss politics, religion or money."

I wasn't really discussing as much as giving ranger a new perspective on just how important the Nvidia thing is, in the scheme of things.

Oh, and I just wanted to have a good rant and get it off my chest.
October 15, 2008 10:02:59 PM

Zorg said:
You started it. :lol: 

yes i did, and it went off in a completely different direction that the one i was expecting
October 15, 2008 10:11:02 PM

i dont care what happens in politics, as long as the UK and USA get our troops back from Iraq and Afghanistan, the rest of it is just chaff
October 16, 2008 3:18:34 AM

See, now you are moving the discussion. I like that, alas I cannot follow you.

Trust me, you don't want me to.
October 16, 2008 8:27:20 AM

So we should keep troops in countries that they will only die in, where's the logic in that?

If your scared that some goddang A-rab terrorists will take it over, you are too late...

We need to get our troops home plain and simple as that, enough blood has been shed.

If anything we should be protecting our own borders not staying in countries we will only bleed resources, be it our beloved soldiers, financial resources, and anything else.

If any motha-fcuka wants to go fight let it be our senators sons and daughters, the children of the wealthy let them go and die, before something bad happens to them here.

Maybe there is too much anger in what I write but fcuk it we're all going to die someday, right?


October 16, 2008 10:49:44 AM

What?
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