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a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2008 8:44:05 PM
October 15, 2008 8:49:36 PM

Thanks, look forward to trying them when I get home.
October 15, 2008 8:54:08 PM

Thanks Jay, I'm waiting for the UPS guy right now with my 4870x2, I'll go ahead and download these now.
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October 15, 2008 9:27:51 PM

Strange, the officials are lower build that the previously leaked beta :( 
8.10_beta_build: 69566, officials_8.10_build: 69565.
What does this mean? they reverted back?
October 15, 2008 9:54:50 PM

Ive noticed the same thing with Nvidia drivers. For example, beta would be 182.94 while the live version of it would be 181.42. Ive made those numbers up but you get the point, I think the beta drivers with the PhysX crap in them were the ones numbered like that.
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a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2008 9:59:51 PM

beta build has been 100% stable after having many issues with 8.9... haven't noticed any increase/decrease in performance though... so don't really care as long as its working well... maybe if AMD releases a driver that is a substantial improvement... i'll update
October 15, 2008 10:01:49 PM

Downloaded and installed them. They seem to be working great. The manual fan speed control option is a very welcome feature in my book.

Best,

3Ball
October 16, 2008 12:15:30 AM

Nice, I'm looking forward to installing it once I get home.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 2:06:48 AM

I hear the minimum fps are a little better in some games, makes for a smoother experience, as they dont drop off and jump back up
October 16, 2008 1:04:03 PM

yeah the new drivers seem to make gameplay on my secondary better, I always thought it was the CPU holding the card back :p  (sorta still is).

The new nvidia drivers are up as well, also 7-15%% increase in performance for sli and single GPU, also compatibility fixes with tri sli and Quad Sli:p 

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_178.24_whql.h...


You kno what I think is a little weird, the min frame rate for my X2 is lower than 1 280 GTX, sometimes over, but not by alot...any1 know why?

All the Dual GPU cards I had were like this (the gx2 the worst...)
October 16, 2008 4:44:48 PM

Sweet, the fan control that should have been there in the first place. At least they got around to it finally.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 6:24:17 PM

Your X2 is cpu challenged, and thats where youll see cpu problems first is minimum fps, especially with X2 configs. Raising your cpu speeds may not see any higher fps, but most likely will shore up the minimal fps, again especially with a X2 setup
October 16, 2008 6:29:31 PM

no no not in my secondary, when I put it in my primary:p  my primary runs @ 3.6, I tested both cards @ 1920x1200, 1 280 GTX came out AVG slower, but min higher, and in some cases only 1 or 2 frames lower than the X2.
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 6:35:57 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I hear the minimum fps are a little better in some games, makes for a smoother experience, as they dont drop off and jump back up


thanks for the link jaydee :) 
well i havent tested a game yet but still the second card downclocks in idle mode
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 6:41:29 PM

Since the X2 is usually faster than a 280 in many games, it requires more from your cpu. It being a X2 , it requires even more. What youre seeing in your primary is normal. Increase your oc, and youll see maybe little or no minimum fps increases with the 280, but youd see more with the X2. Its a cpu slowdown is all. Thats providing the game scales well in SLI of course
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 6:58:39 PM

I also tested CRYSIS with the new cfg that i got which is for HD 4870 and i got a very good and smooth game play with 40 FPS average :)  on 1680x1050 0xAA.
The cfg gave me 10-15 FPS increase and CATALYST 8.10 helped the FPS not to drop and gave me extra ones too :D 
October 16, 2008 7:13:09 PM

yup crysis can be maxed out with the 4870 X with out stuttering for me 2. I still have drop downs compared to the 280 though, which is anoying, but on average it is about 25-30% faster than my 1 of my 280s, COD4 pushes that to almost 40% more, and grid the same.

The new driver is very neat:) .

I heard though that AMD's increases in perfromance aren't as high as Nvidias there was a review I saw not long ago, I can't remember from where I'll google it and see if I can find it again.

Any opinions?

Don't put too emotion on the subject, :p  factually speaking.

We all know 280 GTX tri > 4870 X2 Quad > 280 GTX sli > 4870 X2 > 280 GTX etc....

I just want to kno if the review was true about the performance gains, I think it was THG that said it actually:S
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 7:51:38 PM

I get the feeling these new cards were somewhat rushed. To take marketshare, and thats what theyve done. Theres been alot of bug fixes to go thru, and mostly, thats what the drivers have been focused on. I think we will start seeing improvements in them from this reslease onwards. Theres a few in this one, but more to come. Also, Id point out, that when that article was written, they were using now 2 older versions back drivers, and nVidias release was sooner and more complete when they arrived, so theyve had more time to focus on thier performance. This is my HO, but it seems to fit
October 16, 2008 7:56:19 PM

personally I kno that 4870 X2 quads won't beat the 280s tri sli since its harder to optimize for and it just doesn't fit in with the math, but it will give Nvidia some running for its money.

I just saw in store a 4870 X2 for 449.99$ which means you can quad fire for about 900$ where as the AVG price for 280s is still around 420$.

So even if tri sli beats the 4870 X2 it would cost alot more, which doesn't cover the cost/Performance ratio.

So it all depends:p 
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 8:00:01 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I get the feeling these new cards were somewhat rushed. To take marketshare, and thats what theyve done. Theres been alot of bug fixes to go thru, and mostly, thats what the drivers have been focused on. I think we will start seeing improvements in them from this reslease onwards. Theres a few in this one, but more to come. Also, Id point out, that when that article was written, they were using now 2 older versions back drivers, and nVidias release was sooner and more complete when they arrived, so theyve had more time to focus on thier performance. This is my HO, but it seems to fit

So jaydee,u didnt answer me :) 
U said 8.10 lets u let the card to run @ stock speeds and no downclocks.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2008 8:05:39 PM

It still doesnt downclock? I havnt tested these, Im going on what Id heard. So its still running 750 on one card in 2D mode?
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 1:12:28 AM

I am still gonna use RC2 cuz they rock.
October 17, 2008 1:21:47 AM

750 core on 1 card? No, mine has always downclocked to 500mhz.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 4:11:56 AM

That's usual for these cards, they up the clocks when 3D apps begin.
October 17, 2008 4:19:03 AM

I know that. There was a "dispute" in an above post over the card not downclocking to 500mhz when idle.
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 9:10:02 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
It still doesnt downclock? I havnt tested these, Im going on what Id heard. So its still running 750 on one card in 2D mode?

No i meant the second card still downclockes in 2D mode according to GPU-Z
October 17, 2008 10:13:56 AM

Spathotan has a 4870 and Maziar has a 4870x2 which is why you are on different pages. Currently the 4870x2 downclocks only one core in 2d mode and keeps the second core running full speed. In another thread JD assured Maziar that this was going to be fixed with the 8.10's but it is not, which is fine because the release notes don't claim to fix it. The release notes claim very little in fact. Does this clear things up?


Re. the 8.10's, I'm really skeptical of the performance increase claims. Tweaktown usually does a good job comparing each new driver so I look forward to seeing that. From my seat the sum of 8.10 is fan control which simplifies a problem that most have already solved. But we'll have the usual fanboys enthusiasts enjoying a nice pacebo performance boost.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 10:14:02 AM

Im a little confused here. It still downclocks? You mean both cores are running at 500Mhz in 2D mode, right? Thats what its supposed to do
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 10:24:57 AM

No,one of the cards (on HD 4870) runs @ stock on 2d mode the other one downclocks,its the same like 8.9

Also today i set the fanspeed t0 %35 and played COD4 i suddenly heard that the fan is running alot faster i came to windows and saw that it was runing @ 70%,is it normal ?
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 11:12:06 AM

Its one of 2 things. If its getting hot, itll ramp the fans, then go back down. Ive also heard it may not lock unless you set a config for it, and when you restart, it goes back to what it was before, without the fan speed changes. Ill try and find more info on the second core downclocking, and the permanent fan settings too
a c 169 U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 11:47:42 AM

Yeah the fan slows down when it cools the card
thanks for the help :) 
October 17, 2008 1:01:39 PM

In the release notes it doesn't specifically mention that the fan control is for 4800 series cards yet it doesn't show up with my 3870.

So is it 4800 series only?
October 17, 2008 1:19:44 PM

Yes. I read it somewhere...fud maybe...fan control is only for the 4800s.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2008 5:44:29 PM

No1sFanboy said:
Spathotan has a 4870 and Maziar has a 4870x2 which is why you are on different pages. Currently the 4870x2 downclocks only one core in 2d mode and keeps the second core running full speed. In another thread JD assured Maziar that this was going to be fixed with the 8.10's but it is not, which is fine because the release notes don't claim to fix it. The release notes claim very little in fact. Does this clear things up?


Re. the 8.10's, I'm really skeptical of the performance increase claims. Tweaktown usually does a good job comparing each new driver so I look forward to seeing that. From my seat the sum of 8.10 is fan control which simplifies a problem that most have already solved. But we'll have the usual fanboys enthusiasts enjoying a nice pacebo performance boost.


Well, fanboism or not, the 8.8-8.9's were dissapointing, and the 8.9 RC2 or whatever the leaked beta drivers are called kick some major butt, so much in fact that I am ignoring this WHQL release and staying with these betas. But take it from me, these have some serious performance advances. But like I said, I havent actually 'upgraded' (or maybe downgraded) to the official 8.10
October 17, 2008 7:40:57 PM

hmm, I've "downgraded" to 8.10WHWL form 8.9RC2 and have to say that there is a notches in the fps on STALKER clear sky. frames just dropping to 20s without a reason. Just keep staying still and fraps shows 48 then for a second it drops to 20, and it is very irritating while playing. The other games are ok. There is no difference in frame rates at all.
I'll probably revert to 8.9 RC2. Actually I'll upgrade to 8.9RC2 because the build is higher on betas: build 69566 on betas vs 69565 on WHQL.
October 17, 2008 9:08:06 PM

spathotan said:
750 core on 1 card? No, mine has always downclocked to 500mhz.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/spathotan/downclock.jpg

It's not really down clocked that's a CCC malfunc. 8.8 did that exact same thing to me, even when I OCed using CCC. I have a VT HD 4870 OCed to 810/1135 using Rivatuner. Personally I like Rivatuner better for OCing because you can exceed the 790/1100 "speed limits" that CCC puts on my card.

Also Riva had the fan speed changer before 8.10 came out so that's not a big deal to me.
October 17, 2008 9:20:34 PM

Ahh ok. Well I tried Rivatuner for Ocing, but for some reason it wasnt stable, driver kept failing and recovering. That OC i have there in the CCC is stable and just fine for me.
October 18, 2008 5:49:04 AM

yay 8.10 drivers are out!! :D  My 4870 1gb is being shipped to me right now and I'll prolly get it next week friday! Just in time for the weekend!
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2008 6:00:17 AM

yonef said:
hmm, I've "downgraded" to 8.10WHWL form 8.9RC2 and have to say that there is a notches in the fps on STALKER clear sky. frames just dropping to 20s without a reason. Just keep staying still and fraps shows 48 then for a second it drops to 20, and it is very irritating while playing. The other games are ok. There is no difference in frame rates at all.
I'll probably revert to 8.9 RC2. Actually I'll upgrade to 8.9RC2 because the build is higher on betas: build 69566 on betas vs 69565 on WHQL.



:)  You are wise grass hopper. And, thanks for the heads up, now I'm def. staying with RC2, they are a little unstable, but Stalker Clear Sky at 1920X1200 Ultra High + 4XAA, 16XAF is just so juicy and delcious right now. :love: 
a b U Graphics card
October 19, 2008 2:01:00 AM

Is that a new driver, or just an add on for our current drivers?
October 19, 2008 2:25:22 AM

^^
ITS a new driver but just with better farcry2 support
October 19, 2008 8:02:26 PM

well what happens to the other games? Are their performance kept up to part with v8.10?
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