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September 21, 2008 2:59:16 AM

Hey all, I am just looking for some input for this computer I am going to build...the specs are below!

CPU: AMD Athlon™ X2 5000+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
HDD: Single Hard Drive (160GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
MOTHERBOARD: Asus M2N SLI NVIDIA nForce 560 SLI MCP Chipset DDR2/800 SATA RAID PCI-Express MBoard w/GbLAN,IEEE1394,USB2.0,&7.1Audio
POWERSUPPLY: 500 Watts Power Supplies [+49] (**Recommended** WIN-500XSPX APEVIA 500W JAVA Power Supply-Black)
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express
SOUND: Creative Labs SB Audigy SE
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Basic w/ Service Pack 1


my main concern is the power supply...will it be enough?

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September 21, 2008 3:11:10 AM

What a pile of crap!

A walmart system would be better.
September 21, 2008 3:12:40 AM

How so?

a little more explanation would be nice!

Thanks :) 
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September 21, 2008 3:14:39 AM

The equipment you list would be OK with a 350watt power supply.
Your list looks more like a 2006 model PC than a nearly 2009 model.
What kind of budget are you working with?
September 21, 2008 3:17:17 AM

Are you sure 350 would be okay? I've read instances where people have had problems running a geforce 8600 GT with 350 ish watts...

my budget is really low....I am working with like 550 here
September 21, 2008 3:20:41 AM

I guess the topic is incorrectly stated...I just wanted some input on what will be MY new computer..heh
September 21, 2008 3:29:43 AM

And you're wanting a gaming computer? Or a general purpose home PC?
What size monitor will you be using?
September 21, 2008 3:32:57 AM

I am not a hardcore gamer...

I just want to be able to play my mmo games such as Guild Wars and Warhammer...I also play TF2 on the side...

I am also going to salvage 1GB of extra ram from one of my older computers

*edit*

My monitor is only 15" crt
September 21, 2008 3:50:18 AM

Yo. Dont go know wher ima post since you listed a budget.
September 21, 2008 3:53:22 AM

Sorry, roadrunner. I can't make sense of your last post. I will just stick to listening to WR2
September 21, 2008 4:00:15 AM

my budget is really low....I am working with like 550 here


Then, start with an efficient but inexpensive power supply -- something like the Antec Earthwatts models -- and use it to power a late-model micro ATX motherboard with LGA775 socket and DDR2 RAM. The recent improvements in power supply efficiency >80% make it unnecessary to buy higher wattage PSUs. The latest ASUS micro ATX motherboards run just about all current Intel CPUs, so start with a cheap CPU like the Celerons still available at Newegg etc. You can upgrade the CPU later, and your upgrade will go much easier if you bite the bullet and start with a good CPU cooler like the ASUS V-60: this cooler can be easily removed and re-installed for CPU upgrades. Lastly, DDR2-800 is overkill for such a budget system: look into DDR2-675 bargains because you will hardly notice any difference especially if you get a matched pair that run in dual-channel mode. GOOD LUCK.

Ronny
September 21, 2008 4:07:02 AM

I just built my mom a PC for $604 including shipping with a 20" LCD, keyboard, and mouse.

Here is a slightly different recommendation for you.
You could go with 2G of ram and get a better CPU if you want. Like e5200.

P5Q mobo $118
e1200 OC to 3.2 $49
4G ram $74
Antec 500 watt $40
Case $49
DvD burner $24
500G HDD $64
4670 Video card $80

Total $498 + shipping and it will stomp azz. Especialy with the e5200 instead of the e1200. You will still need Os though.

You would be better off getting Dell then buying what you listed, but after all it is your money.

September 21, 2008 4:17:06 AM

will my set-up be okay with a 420 Watt power supply?
September 21, 2008 4:17:40 AM

roadrunner has the right idea above (see above): if you must save money, then switch to a micro ATX motherboard with integrated graphics, and an x16 PCI-E video slot (if you want to upgrade video later). These 2 changes eliminate the $80 video card, and the micro ATX motherboard will be less, perhaps as low as $50-60 (they vary). Also, 4GB can't be used by Windows XP 32-bit version, so start with 2GB matched pair instead. Net result: at least $100 less than roadrunner's good recommendations above ($80 + ??). Integrated graphics used to have a bad rep, but significant progress has been made with on-board video in recent years, so give it a try (initially); you can always upgrade later if you need more video power. If you start with a motherboard that does not have intergrated video, you MUST buy a separate video card.

Ronny
September 21, 2008 4:22:33 AM

Well okay.

First off, there's no point getting the extra sound card because the onboard HD audio recently are pretty solid (unless you get soundcards that are in the $1xx region).

Second, don't get the 8600GT. It's pretty much outdated this point in time.

Lastly, if you live outside of Tennessee or California, then I'd suggest you order it from Newegg (no tax, only shipping) and they have great service and selections of pretty much any available computer components.

Anyways here's what I would get instead with your budget.
BASIC SETUP:
CASE and PSU:
Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 650W - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(These two have a combo deal right now, free shipping: $119.94)
HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB: $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD-Burner:
Samsung SH-S223Q DVD-Burner: $27.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:
OCZ Platinum Edition 2 x 2GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000: $77.99 (-$30.00 after mail in rebate, but there's cheaper ram if you don't want the rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Video Card:
Leadtek PX8800 GT GTB GeForce 8800 GT 512MB - $119.99 (-$20.00 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

INTEL SETUP:
CPU and Motherboard:
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz - Retail: $84.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L: $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is $607.18 after shipping (take off another $50.00 if you want to count the rebate).

This system will run TF2 and all at high settings.

I'll come up with an AMD setup if you're a AMD fanboy, lol.

Note: You can definitely go lower, but in my honest opinion, if you're getting anything under $500 and you already have a working computer, don't bother (since it probably won't be better).
September 21, 2008 4:23:06 AM

Ya for my moms I uses a Micro ATX P5Q-EM it has very good onboard and can play Blue Ray. It was $139. The cheaper micro ATX's dont allow the bad azz overclocking though.

WEll Temp you can go your route if you want to, but keep in mind, as soon as you build it, it is severely outdated and in need of a upgrade.
September 21, 2008 4:26:41 AM

This PSU will work fine with a micro ATX motherboard and the system you desire:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005


PSU manufacturers are always pushing their highest Wattage models, because there is such a huge profit margin on power supplies, in general. At 80% efficiency, even this smaller model will supply plenty of power to your machine. Dell did a study several years ago, and concluded that most PC power supplies were under-utilized.


Ronny
September 21, 2008 4:27:12 AM

Thanks for all the info!

Johnyeah, is the stuff you listed put together or not?
September 21, 2008 4:27:46 AM

Yep it's all put together (prices are from newegg). Also, if you have friends in college that are in the engineering major chances are they can get a free copy of an OS from MSDN.
September 21, 2008 4:28:20 AM

Ouch, man I have like one 15" CRT I haven't been able to give away. I don't have anything hooked up to less than a 17" CRT. Anyway.....

Your budget is tight, I get that, but there is no point in getting an SLi board on a budget like that. I'd go with a build like this

ASRock board 44.99 + 8.25 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Athlon 5000+ 59.50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PQI 2x1GB DDR2 800 31.99 + 6.99 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

250GB WD SATA HD 54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS Radeon 4670 99.99 + 8.25 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Vista Home Basic 84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Raidmax SMILODON Extreme Black 500W 94.99 + 27.99 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you use your old optical drives this build will total ya $522.94

The case is a good case, even though it doesn't have the best Power Supply. This system will allow you to upgrade in steps, hopefully starting with the Motherboard and RAM. As for the video card that was the only 4670 they had in stock and I was in a hurry ^_^. You'd be better off with a 9600GT at that price or spending a little more on an 8800GT.
September 21, 2008 4:29:21 AM

Don't forget the OS / OEM (no documentation/just a CD).

XP/Pro x32 is running about $130 for the OEM version (if you can still find it).


Ronny
September 21, 2008 4:33:11 AM

If you want I can even email you the cart, lol.

Either way, that's what I would get if I'm ordering now (I didn't include the OS since there's cheaper ways to obtain a valid OS without buying it).
September 21, 2008 4:34:21 AM

Just a quick question again Johnyeah,

you said anything under 500 is probably worse than my computer now if it's running....

Well the one I have is 4 years old....let me see if I can remember some specs

Geforce 6600GT 128mb dedicated
160GB HDD
1 GB ram
single core amd 3800+


could this new comp I am considering really be worse than that?
September 21, 2008 4:39:43 AM

Not worse, but not a whole lot better.

You asked for help, and we tried.

Your either dumb or stubborn, so get what you want. Don't cry when it don't perform satisfactory.
September 21, 2008 4:40:12 AM

Here's the thing.
What I meant when I said, "if you're getting anything under $500 and you already have a working computer, don't bother (since it probably won't be better)," was that as a new computer, it's not worth it.

It's not going to be worse than a 4 year old system, but it's also not the best c/p (cost versus performance ratio) you can get with around the same amount of money.

In addition, if you're not planning to get a new monitor then there's cheaper cards that work at 1024*768 (I'm assuming that's what you have for your 15" CRT).
September 21, 2008 4:42:29 AM

When two of my friends bought new computers just this past month, I told them to have a budget of $600. Both of them right now are satisfied with what they've got and they're glad they spent that amount.
September 21, 2008 4:44:14 AM

I am just trying to clear some things up and ask questions...

Roadrunner, I don't understand all of your shorthand for the computer parts anyway.
September 21, 2008 4:50:00 AM

OC means overclocked.
P5Q mobo refers to ASUS P5Q Motherboard.
September 21, 2008 4:51:14 AM

Well if you could bump your budget to $604 I can give you a newegg wishlist, that includes PC, 20" LCD, keyboard and mouse. If not I wont bother.
September 21, 2008 4:57:20 AM

Johnyeah, can you send me a link to the system you listed about midway through at $533?

thanks
September 21, 2008 5:06:40 AM

Wow, I'm sorry. I forgot to include the harddrive when I was adding it all up. ~_~" Too tired, today. Either way, I updated my previous post with the links.
If you don't need a new burner, than that's another $28 bucks less.
September 21, 2008 5:13:13 AM

Thanks
!