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srourg   10-18-2008 at 10:01:38 PM

My objective is to play now and in the comming year the demanding games in the highest settings.(without overclocking)

1- I have:

42 inch Samsung LCD, 5.1 Bose sound system, Bose amplifyer
Intel core 2 Duo E8500
Seagate Hard Disk 500 Gb

2- I am planning to buy:

Mb=Intel BOXDP35DPM Media Series P35 ATX DDR2 800 PCI-Express x16 1333MHz FSB LGA775
Memory=CORSAIR XMS2 4GB ( 2 X 2GB ) PC2-8500 1066MHz 240-pin DDR2 CL5 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit 5-5-5-15
GPU=Nvidia Geforce 9500 GX2

3- I highly need:

Your input on the components I am planning to buy especially if I can save money for almost same performance trough a different mix of items.

Thanks for those who would help...

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terror112   10-18-2008 at 10:16:21 PM
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The only thing I would change is the motherboard. I would reccomend this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131299

Or if you want to save money, this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128337

Both are great boards. And I am assuming that you meant to say 9800GX2, not 9500GX2, so overall everything is fine.

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rambo117   10-18-2008 at 11:11:13 PM
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just a question but, what is a 9500GX2? i know theres a 9800gx2....

if you want to be able to ploay all the games at their highest possible settings, get a pair of 4870s and crossfire them on this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131299
add about 8gigs of DDR2 1066 or 1333:D
the 9800gx2 scales very strangely in differant games so it would probably be wise to just get a crossfire config witht hat mobo.

happy gaming!

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jtt283   10-18-2008 at 11:29:42 PM
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On an Intel board, with no overclocking, your RAM will be defaulted to 1.8V, so the timing will be whatever it is at that voltage, not what the manufacturer claims it can reach at 2.1V, 2.2V, or even more. Expect 6-6-6-18 or worse.
Furthermore, you've listed a P35 board. They do not play nicely with DDR2-1066 RAM, so get DDR2-800.

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terror112   10-18-2008 at 11:31:48 PM
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rambo117 wrote :

just a question but, what is a 9500GX2? i know theres a 9800gx2....

if you want to be able to ploay all the games at their highest possible settings, get a pair of 4870s and crossfire them on this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131299
add about 8gigs of DDR2 1066 or 1333:D
the 9800gx2 scales very strangely in differant games so it would probably be wise to just get a crossfire config witht hat mobo.

happy gaming!



crossfire on a P45 board is a bad Idea, He didnt say he wanted to spend $600 on video cards, and why does he need 8gbs of ram?

I would think that if he wants good performance, Go for the 4870X2 on a P45 mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102768

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rambo117   10-18-2008 at 11:56:20 PM
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4870 crossfire is basicly the same price as the 4870x2. there is little performance differance between the two BESIDES the 4870x2's 2gigs.

and hey, never can have enough ram ;)

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nrnx   10-19-2008 at 03:51:34 AM
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9500GX2 is basically a useless card my friend. If you are going budget like that your best bet would be to get a Crossfire MOBO and Crossfire 4670s it will run about the same as a 4850, and 4670s can be $80/each so $160 total investment.

9500 is a very worthless card.


Message edited by nrnx on 10-19-2008 at 03:51:53 AM
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terror112   10-19-2008 at 04:45:41 AM
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rambo117 wrote :

4870 crossfire is basicly the same price as the 4870x2. there is little performance differance between the two BESIDES the 4870x2's 2gigs.

and hey, never can have enough ram ;)



No, it is not the same thing as 4870 crossfire. The reason being is that the 4870's communicate across the PCI-E bus, which hurts it even more when the P45 only has two 8x slots instead of the full two 16x. Therefore the 4870X2 would perform better in his scenario due to the 4870's having their own PCI-E interface on the card, between the 2 GPU's. Overall, the best deal for him would be the 4870X2. + to the person posting 2x4670.... 4850 > 2x4670. Get the facts right.

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nrnx   10-19-2008 at 05:25:24 AM
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http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=4026

I beg to differ. 2x4670 clearly outperforms 4850...

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id- [...] -4850.html

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1 [...] index.html

All proof of this...


Message edited by nrnx on 10-19-2008 at 05:25:45 AM
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srourg   10-19-2008 at 11:34:51 AM
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Thanks to all of you, definitely it is the 9800GX2 I was talking about initially, but all of you agreed that it would not be a good choice...
Thanks to you terror112, I will go for ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard.
I think there is no need to go for jtt283 rams suggestion any more and the DDR2-1066 RAM would do a great job (am I right?).
But regarding the GPU I am a bit lost on what to do: Crossfire 4870X2 would be the best option or I go back to 8800GTX?????????????

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srourg   10-19-2008 at 02:01:16 PM
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Nrnx, thanks very convincing; do you think 2x512 or 2x1gb for the 4670???

Would the ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard do the job?

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jtt283   10-19-2008 at 02:18:08 PM
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DDR2-1066 is essentially DDR2-800 that the manufacturer has been able to overclock on higher voltage. Quality DDR2-800 will do the same for you, and cost less.

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srourg   10-19-2008 at 05:58:06 PM
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Thanks for the info jtt283...
What about the GPU? can u help?

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jtt283   10-19-2008 at 11:14:00 PM
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Well, looking at Cleeve's GPU hierarchy, it looks like you'll want a 4870X2 (if your budget allows). A 4870 would be a step down, but not step on your wallet as hard.

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mathiasschnell   10-19-2008 at 11:25:17 PM
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Just curious, what is the maximum resolution on that 42" Samsung LCD? That would play a major factor in what card will do you well.

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