Hey guys, alright heres the situation.
-17 years old
-900 bucks to spend on what i want
-do not want to hassle with customer reviews
Looking through the forums over the past months and with some new pc games coming out I'm interested in buying and building my new computer...with some help from you guys heh. My only preferece is that I can play it through my Samsung 32" 1080p tv. As of now I tricked my laptop to run only off the tv, but its still a laptop w/ a build in video card which as i don't have to tell you guys blows for gaming. I want something that will get me good fps, like really nice. Lemme know what setups you guys think would be best and also what you guestimate it'd get for fps. Thanks guys for all the help I know you'll offer.
(also if you guys break your setups into like memory: ... etc would be wicked helpful, i'm a bit rusty on all the companies and what not.)
In the past I've played alotta WoW and other pretty mild demanding games. In particular I would like to get like upwards of 100+ fps on WoW, or i think thats what friends have told me to look for. Basically it would be a machine capable of playing anything from WoW to crysis type games. As for overclocking, I have never done it myself but am pretty sure that I have enough tech. knowlage to be able to overclock my own, unless someone here recommends me otherwise.
second thought, just having something to get over 50 fps would be cool, im not really sure what people are getting now-adays. Some tell me 60, others have told me well over 150. If need be I could probably spend some more money to get the better graphics, say up to 1200 on the computer in place of 900.
Optical drive: Samsung SATA DVD-Burner $28 Any sata dvd-burner will do.
Case: Antec Three Hundred $60 Very inexpensive while still good quality case. Also has decent air flow. The CM RC690 would be a good substitute though.
Hard drive: WD 640gb $85 Fastest 7200rpm HD on the market. Lots of storage for a reasonable price.
Graphics card: Palit 4850 $170 (-$30 MIR) Good graphics card, especially for the price.
PSU: Corsair 650TX $110 (-$20 MIR) High quality psu. It is more than enough for this setup.
Ram: G.Skill DDR2 1000mhz $73 This should guarantee a decent OC
Mobo: Asus P5Q Pro $140 (-$20 MIR) High quality and good OCer.
CPU: Intel E8400 3.0ghz ($170) Good OCer for a low price. Should be great in games for a while. You could pick up a Q6600 if you think you might need a quad but for a gaming only rig right now a faster clocked dual core will yield better performance.
HSFU: Xigmatek whatever (~$40 w/ retention bracket) I don't remember the name since I don't care about air cooling but this seems to be what most people recommend.
Price: $876 (-$70 MIR)
This should give you some room to play around with. I didn't include MIR in the $900 limit since the MIR is money you won't see for a month or so.
EDIT: Ok I started typing this post since before your posts so let me modify say some things.
The general order of gpu performance goes like this: 4850<GTX260<4870<GTX280<4870X2 Mind you all of those card are great and the lower 3/5 give great price/performance.
A GTX260 will run you about $250 but I have seen some for around $220 after MIR.
I think on the WOW front you will probably be more internet limited than anything. In TF2 online I get around 60fps max settings, where as if I am playing on a LAN I get well above that. Crysis is one of those games that no one can play as well as they would like to. My 9800GTX (heavy OC) can play High and some Very high @ 1680x1050 with a decent frame rate that doesn't get noticeably bad.
Message edited by faster3200 on 09-25-2008 at 06:59:42 PM
This setup comes to $1,244.84 + $60 MIR = $1,184.84
This is at the upper end of your budget, but would be awesome!
If you need to save some money you could downgrade to a P45 chipset motherboard. I put the X48 board on there for full 16x crossfire support in the future.
Faster3200 has a good build posted at your budget, I might change the RAM to Mushkin DDR2 800 1.8v low latency, but solid build. I think there's a great combo deal right now for his recommended motherboard and the E8400 that will save you a little cash. I'd stick with his recommended HD4850 also, in the future you could crossfire them on that motherboard for extra performance.
Message edited by dirtmountain on 09-25-2008 at 07:26:48 PM
I like shortstuff's build. It gives you the upper market price that you can just substitute cheaper parts one by one to get the price down to where you want.
I'd go with an E8400 or E7200 CPU with a 650W psu instead that should drop the price somewhat
+1 for faster and shortstuff's builds if you have the cash or can find a bit more under the sofa go with shortstuff otherwise faster's build should be just what you want.
as for WOW get 100+ FPS i would say that is no problem the game is farly old now the expansions have updated it but still neither of these rigs will have any problems doing that...
Mine and short stuff's builds are exactly the same except he went for upgraded (more expensive) versions of what I posted. His build is obviously better because of that.
I don't agree with his mobo choice. The Asus will give you a better OC and is cheaper. The only reason you should go for that one is if you want crossfire and even then you could probably get a better OCer.
This setup comes to $1,244.84 + $60 MIR = $1,184.84
This is at the upper end of your budget, but would be awesome!
If you need to save some money you could downgrade to a P45 chipset motherboard. I put the X48 board on there for full 16x crossfire support in the future.
Great build, absolutely. Now, how do we cut $300 from it and not hurt it too much... Some ideas here. Try to use as few of them as possible, of course. I sorted them with the ones that hurt least first.
1. dump the Xigmatek cooler, the retention bracket and the thermal compound. That saves you about $50 in total. Just use the CPU at stock, or mildly overclocked on the stock cooler. Add the aftermarket cooler when/if you have more money and want a big overclock.
4. Replace the GA-X48-DS4 with a GA-EP45-DS3R, save $100. It will be less good for Crossfire, but still OK IMO. This won't hurt while you have a single card. It will cost you 10% of the fps or so when/if you add a second video card.
5. get a Visiontek HD 4870 with only 512MB instead of the PowerColor with 1GB. Save $25. Do this last, only if absolutely necessary. At your resolution the extra RAM does help.
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faster3200 - your post hadn't showed up yet when I put my build together. I don't know why you think Gigabyte boards don't overclock well. I've had great luck with them.
Edit - either way, Gigabyte and Asus are both great brands. It just seems like I struck a nerve here for some reason. From my experience Gigabyte boards are a little cheaper and overclock great. I really don't have a preference though. Go for whatever works for your needs for the least $ possible.
OP - I tried to put together the best build for the money. I would take aevm's advice if you want to start cutting corners to save money. If you want a machine that will be amazing and still allow upgrades don't cut to many though!
Message edited by shortstuff_mt on 09-25-2008 at 09:42:59 PM
thank you guys so much. this is a really awesome forum, one of the best I've seen in a while. everyone is very helpful and in one day I got more information then i think I would have scrounging through internet articles and reviews.
I would shop around a little. Newegg's prices are pretty good, but sometimes tend to be a little high on PSU's and cases. Zipzoomfly.com also has pretty good prices and I've never had a problem with them.
Last time I checked, it is supposed to come back in on 09/30. I linked to that card even though it currently out of stock because of the aftermarket cooler and MIR. If those things aren't important, or if you are itching to get it before Tuesday, go with the Visiontek or Sapphire cards like aevm said.
i know that this isnt the correct placing for a question such as this but, with my new 1080p tv I have been running into issues. I believe the reason is that it runs at 59.9 Hz. as for doing desktop work and even playing games windowed it plays them flawlessly in 1080, yet when i try to maximize them I get an error from my tv saying mode not supported. I think this is because the games dont allow me to select less than 60hz. you guys know if there are pc programs that will allow me to set this, or if its simply a question of the video card? I really cant figure it out. Thanks again.
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