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September 27, 2008 5:22:47 AM

Need help building a PC. Did some looking in the threads and I thought my situation was unique enough to warrant a new posting, since I do not have the same requirements as many. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction.

Looking to build a Gaming/Video Editing machine-

Budget: $1000.00

Parts I have:

  • Monitor
  • CD Drive
  • Mouse/Keyboard

    Additionally, I don't think I need a big hard drive since I have a 500GB network HD.

    What is the best/fastest gaming capable PC I can build?

    Thanks so much everyone!
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    September 27, 2008 5:59:13 AM

    your going to start with a video card, then cpu, then motherboard to match. everything else is just details. What are your preferences? Intel or AMD, Nvidia or ATI, favorite brands? $1000 is going to get you a long way
    September 27, 2008 10:09:03 AM

    hmmm 1k certainly will get you a long way.. 4850, E8400 or overclocked E4300 or you know those lowly clocked chips.., P45 yeah something around there would be k with that budget it reckon
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    September 27, 2008 3:17:28 PM

    Thanks guys,

    I do not have any preference when it comes the brands. I am just looking for the very best build I can get for my budget.

    Do you guys have any build recommendations? I am confused about what motherboard I should get and what ram.

    Any help would rock because I'm very lost.
    September 27, 2008 11:11:48 PM

    I've tried my best.... thoughts?


    CPU: AMD Phenom 9950
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103273
    Thoughts: Should I go Intel? Would that be best?

    Motherboard: ASUS M3N72-D AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 750a
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131323
    Thoughts: If I stick with AMD, is this a good MB- It has on board video, maybe I can get something cheaper with no video.

    Ram: OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298
    Thoughts: Is this the best I can get for this board? - It seems a little pricey, might be better off with another brand?

    Video Card: ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FSP GeForce 9800 GTX(G92)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500037
    Thoughts: I want to be able to play games on my PC, thought this was a good choice

    HD: Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD1601ABYS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    Thoughts: Is this the fastest (price conscious) HD I can get. I don't need anything huge.

    About $650

    Still need a case and power supply.

    Thanks all!





    September 28, 2008 3:05:11 AM

    Here's a different build... i think it's killer - went a little over my budget, but lets see what you all think...


    Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe AM2+/AM2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    PNY VCGGTX260XPB GeForce GTX 260 896MB

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    G.SKILL 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    AMD Phenom 9850 2.5GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    HEC 69R5BB Black Steel ATX Full Tower
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    hec ACE-580UB 580W ATX12V SLI Certified
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



    September 28, 2008 11:12:38 AM

    nonononono! i actually made a reply before then the power went out -_-'
    oh well
    anyway, the point is, don't go with AMD! get a P45, Q6600, Xigmatek HDT-S1283 or S963, DDR2 800 (lower latency and lower voltage with a heatspreader is preferable..) WD6400AAKS 640gb hard drive - uber fast! don't waste your money on a velociraptor..

    geez that really looks way over budget how could you have a velociraptor and GTX 260 for that budget! ahh!
    not too sure about power supply, use www.thermaltake.outervision.com to find out the power needed after you have sorted out the rest of your components.

    Cases are a matter of preference but i am somewhat of a fanboy of the CM-690 :)  down with the Tempest and 300/FUGLY 900!

    so add all that up wherever you're buying from (newegg i assume) i can't be expected to do all the work! then tell us how much you have left for a graphicsc ard and psu...

    BTW are you inclkuding a montior in this price range? if not that REALLY frees you up to get some high end graphics :) 

    look forward to ya response hope i helped :) 
    September 28, 2008 7:56:09 PM

    Thanks for the comments V3NOM-

    Here is what I came up with. I had some trouble picking my MB and I decided to go with a HD with 32mb of cache- if that's not needed please advise differently if possible.

    The case and power supply, I'm trying to save money on so i can get a better v-card

    And nope i dont need a monitor, dvd burner, speakers, keybrd/mouse...

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    G.SKILL 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5Q-8GBPQ - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    ABS Aplus ABS-CS-Monolith Black SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply - Retail
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


    Total: $734.93


    Thoughts?




    September 29, 2008 1:15:25 AM

    ooooooh nice if you don't need peripherals that really frees some cash up! :D 

    if you google for benchmarks on hard drives or something i have seen some and they all say that there's almost no difference between 16 and 32mb cache - it's just a sales gimmick. why do you the the worlds fastest hard drive (velociraptor) has "only" 16mb cache? unnecessary.

    not too sure about that case of yours but whatever floats your boat i guess..

    8GB RAM is unneccessary for gaming but i guess something like video editing or something might use it i'm not too familiar with those sort of things lol. i would try and get some better low latency RAM if possible but those modules will certainly suffice.

    Are you going to be overclocking? if so get the OEM Q6600 and save some money instead of throwing out an unnecessary stock heatsink like i did :( . Again, if overclocking get a heatsink such as the Sunbeamtech Core Contact Freezer, or Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with "Crossbow" backplate for easier installation and more pressure. if the heatsink you end up going with doesn't come with AS 5 or OCZ Freeze or MX-2, get some OCZ Freeze. AS 5 has been beaten ladies and gentlemen. fanboys cry.

    haha i just saw that case has 2x250mm fans :p  i just installed a 250mm fan myself yesterday it's pretty good but i doubt the advertised 105CFM..

    anywho, that's about it except the graphics card! Assuming you get those rebates, which you probably have a 50/50 chance, although it is with newegg which is a plus :) , you have about $250 left for a graphics card! (remember you should be getting a heatsink, i mean you could probably even get 3.0 on that Q6600 on stock heatsink there is so much overclockiing potential there don't waste it!), i would actually be recommending an EVGA 750i FTW motherboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    or cheaper at tigerdirect:
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
    instead of that ASUS and two 9800GT's (+ 2 COD4's that you could sell on ebay!) in sli! i can hook you up with some benchmarks later if you want that show the 8800GT's smashing a single GTX 280! ftw man!

    if you are set on newegg you could get
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or for $5 more the same 9800GT as tigerdirect but a higher price as shown here:
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

    hope that helps, sorry if i was a bit confusing there, lol i rushed a bit i admit..
    thanks
    October 1, 2008 5:23:11 AM

    Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    EVGA 01G-P3-N891-AR GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    SILVERSTONE ELEMENT ST60EF 600W - $90
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) - $70
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    GIGABYTE GA-X48-DQ6 - $280
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    That system came to $1019 but you will have to add postage on top of that though.

    That system should be pretty alright, and should overclock well if you plan to do that. I would highly recommend you do over clock even if it is a little bit just to get the most value out of your machine. As for why i chose the 9800gx2 it is considerably cheaper then the GTX 280 but with similar performance and only a little bit more than a 4870. E8400's can be overclocked well in excess of there stock clocks and that can be done on the stock cooler. The G.Skill RAM i use myself in my rig. It can be clocked to speeds of about 1130MHz at about 2.2V. The Silverstone PSU I put up there is capable of running a couple of graphics cards if you really need to, but one of the other reasons I selected it is because of the brand. When it comes to buying a power supply it pays to get a reputable brand. Antec 900 is a very well known case in the gaming world due to its good ventillation and its layout. The gigabyte motherboard, gigabyte is a leading manufacturer of motherboards and is a very reputable brand, there motherboards come with a pile of extra add ons and features and are highly over clockable.

    October 1, 2008 6:45:12 AM

    hmm antec 900 might be good in performance but it is sooo fugly... anyway it's up to the OP since cases are a matter of personal preferences. i second the gigabyte, but not that particular board. why get an X48 when you could get a P45 or for crossfire an X38? waste of money. for ati route i woluld suggest 4870+P45, intel i would suggest 2x8800GT+EVGA 750i FTW.

    i would still suggest a Q6600 over the E8400 because even if you are gaming there are other background programs running as well, and programs are just going to get more and more quad-core optimized. It might be a little more expensive but then again you have to pay less for RAM to overclock it and it also puts less stress on the mobo.
    October 1, 2008 7:27:23 AM

    Hmm how does this build look? Good overclocking potential, really nice case cooling, including that sweet heatsink Palit put on the 4870. Additionally, OCZs new ModXstream psu is looking great - modular support, high efficiency rating, quiet fan. Umm what else, the new 150GB VR hdd will be sweet for a system drive, while the network drive will handle the media I'm sure. The P5Q Pro is a nice P45 motherboard, though I wanted the DFI board in there, it'd bump the price up a bit more than I already have. It should take the Q6600 up to over 3ghz easy in combo with the Core-Contact freezer. So what do you guys think?

    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...
    October 1, 2008 8:01:26 AM

    Yep, that looks ok, but two 8800GT's or 9800GT's would still outperform it for $30 less plus two copies of COD4 that you could sell one of on ebay or something.. if you do end up going the ati route i would not get the asus, i would get a gigabyte or that sweet biostar :) 

    Hard drive is up to you, depending on what you do... a velociraptor would purely make loading times in games faster and of course windows boot times..

    Coolermaster RC-690 over antec 300.. power supply looks k.
    October 1, 2008 9:09:55 PM

    I wouldn't do a crossfire or sli setup, because of all the hassles associated with it i.e. driver issues, game support, lots more heat produced, much more power used, and the list goes on.

    I normally don't suggest Asus boards, but at the price-point it seems to offer the customer the best deal for the dollar. You get good customer support and resources, and a nice product at a fair price. Asus does have a more reputable background in Intel boards, whereas Biostar is a new player to the field-in terms of quality products- despite having been making motherboards for ages.

    The OP already mentioned he doesn't need a large drive, so the VR would be a perfect match for his needs-fast boot and quick load times. Though you could a much cheaper drive, which could spent on something like a better case. Don't get me wrong, the Antec 300 with those extra case fans will be insane amounts of airflow, pretty much as much as you could ask for, but if the OP is into the aesthetic value of cases, maybe it isn't the best bet.
    October 2, 2008 4:31:12 AM

    the thing is though, games are getting better and better sli/cf scaling.. almost 100% scaling for 8800GT's in crysis. also, sli/cf will always be better for price/performance imo because you can get two mainstream-ish cards that will beat the fastest card there is for a cheaper price! also, the power usage isn't really that much... you can run TWO 9800GX2's on a heavily OC high end system on a 700W psu.
    October 2, 2008 7:54:53 AM

    Sorry but watching my roommates SLI set-up last year made my cringe. The microstuttering, the loud fans running at near 100% because they were running so hot, and the ambient temperature of the case was laughable (even in his antec 900) Also, something I'm not sure I picked up from the OP- What resolution/size monitor are you using? That'd help a lot in determining what kind of graphical horsepower you need.

    The fact that you condone that kind of power usage is insane too V3NOM, think about the monthly electric bill, let alone how wasteful it is. I'm not the most 'Green' person, but still...

    If the OP is interested in Crossfire though, I'd recommend switching out the the 4870 for a 4850, and getting an X48 motherboard. Get a Corsair 750w, and test the config. If you like the graphics and performance you get, keep it as is. If you want more, you could add in another 4850 very easily. Also, I'd avoid SLI because the stability differences between intel and nvidia based motherboards. Intel motherboards provide much more stable overclocks, from the latest trend in things (p35/650(680) and p45/750(780))

    Another gripe I have about your claims V3NOM is the evidence you try to present. It seems somewhat inaccurate...could you post the benches you pulled this info from (the power usage with the two 9800GX2/highly oc proc, and the near 100% scaling of 8800GTs in Crysis)
    October 2, 2008 8:12:34 AM

    very well i will do just that! and i find your comments pretty hypocritical "The fact that you condone that kind of power usage is insane too" then you go on to recommend a 750W PSU with power sucking ati cards! GTX 260 uses way less watts then a 4870 for example!

    If you go to www.thermaltake.outervision.com and fill out the sections (most notably "Nvidia 9800GX2" then underneath it "SLI" or "ATI 4870" then underneath it "Crossfire"

    So you say forget sli because of nvidia motherboards instability and sli rigs in general use less power. i see... well you could always get the latest BIOS update it's pretty simple i saw a review of the evga 750i ftw motherboard where the reviewer got a 100% stable 3.6GHZ overclock of a Q6600 in 10 seconds.

    Your roommates sli set up last year most likely would have been 8800GTX/Ultra's which chew up power and throw out heat like a V8 Hemi.

    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13 hmm it would appear it's not really 100% scaling on the 8800GT's but hell! $240 worth of 8800GT beats a (how expensive????) GTX 280! wowzer.
    October 2, 2008 8:37:49 AM

    Perhaps you misunderstood me. I don't like SLI/CF but if somebody insisted on using it, I'd suggest the things I did.

    I still stick by original build I posted earlier though. My friend runs a stock q6600 and a 4870 at stock clocks on his 24" monitor and runs everything he plays smooth at max detail, CoD4 and Warhammer currently. He also uses a 600w OCZ psu. I've seen the success in his build, which is why I suggest it to the OP.
    October 2, 2008 8:40:22 AM

    look at that anandtech article i think the next page after crysis is COD4..

    and yes that guys build will be powerful, but two 8800GT's will wipe it off the page no questions asked
    October 5, 2008 10:18:08 PM

    Sli and cross fire i believe are still yet to get to its pinnacle. You are better off with one really good card rather then two ok cards in CF/SLI. The only way you get 100% value from your graphics cards (this is in reply to v3nom) is by having a single card, this is why SLI/ CF will work out cheaper because you will essentially be wasting some of the cards performance for nothing. In the future when SLI becomes better scaled you will be able to just chuck in another card that will run in SLI/CF with the original one anyway. Remember also that the more cards you have the more heat generated and the more sound generated due to the multiple cards and the extra heat.

    I'm not too worried either way when it comes to the E8400 and the Q6600, the E8400 will i believe be more then sufficient and will be more efficient and more overclockable.

    Yes the case is really subject to the OP's opinion there isnt really anything wrong with the antec 300 it is a good case.
    October 6, 2008 12:16:03 AM

    yeah, i know you don't actually get DOUBLE PERFORMANCE for DOUBLE THE MONEY, but it's still usually cheaper to get two "gamer" cards rather than one "enthusiast" card EG: two 8800GT/9800GT = $240, one GTX 280 = $460 but the 9800GT's beat it! for soo much cheaper! :) 
    October 6, 2008 12:18:04 AM

    oh and if you will recall "Looking to build a Gaming/Video Editing machine- " in particular "Video Editing" . Quad-Core will absolutely smash a dual core in this, and quads are better than duals at sli/cf and all round, i would recommend an OC'd Q6600.
    !