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a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:16:24 PM

WHAT HAPPEN TO RESEARCH?

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a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:17:35 PM

Tons of people want you to oc their systems for them.. What happen to reading and trial and error?
a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:30:54 PM

I KNOW!

Its so irritating. I cant believe the overclocking section used to be so much higher class...
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a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:34:51 PM

I guess the consensus now is "Why use Google" when you can get someone else to do it for you. :D 
a c 205 K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:38:25 PM

Totally Agree
a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:49:26 PM

Well, i guess someones gotta do it, right?

How many times have you spent hours searching on google for how to do something, then you find a thread posted by someone that gives you the answer you were looking for.
a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:55:35 PM

overshocked said:


How many times have you spent hours searching on google for how to do something, then you find a thread posted by someone that gives you the answer you were looking for.


I'd have to say most times actually. Sometimes take longer than others simply because I haven't nailed the correct search term yet.

Then again there are places where their search is shall we say less than cooperative. :) 

Sometimes the solution lies in taking a bit from one post/thread and a bit from another to put you on the right track.

Sometimes it's a bit from one forum and a bit from another but in the end it's really all out there.
a b K Overclocking
January 5, 2010 11:57:28 PM

Yeah, but i guess most of the questions that annoy us are the ones that we have answered over and over again, and are surely on Google.
a c 205 K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 12:04:42 AM

overshocked said:
Yeah, but i guess most of the questions that annoy us are the ones that we have answered over and over again, and are surely on Google.


You Sho Got That Right!
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 12:19:45 AM

I find myself doing this a lot, and I try not to, but I catch myself being rude and smart assed sometimes. For people who have been around the forums for a while, some of the same old questions can actually get to be a nuisance.
It's like "good grief I have answered that question, or it has been answered 500 times already. Thank the "Post your IT question here" on the front page for that.
I guess if you don't want to answer the same question again for the 50th time since October, just ignore it and let someone who has the time do it, or simply, and politely point out that there is a "search" button at the top of the page. There is tons of information in these forums if a person would only look.
My resolution for the New Year is to try and be more patient and less crabby with people who log on and ask the same stupid, redundant, idiotic, mindless, lazy, don't have a clue what they are doing questions. I really am going to try.
January 6, 2010 12:44:15 AM

I concure. Several of you fellows have posted good tech info for the uninformed and thank you for it. That said I think you would agree the sometimes one might see a question that is so silly on it's face or has been asked and answered or would require so much time typing an answer (can they find google) to get the OP up to speed that one just passes that post by.
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 1:07:36 AM

+1 for the above posts. For example, the people trying to cool a PC with a fridge gets really annoying at the HSF section. For the last 2 weeks, I find my self visiting Bit Tech and xs, OCF/OCN and X CPU. I find that those forums are quite a lot less tolerant of noobs (who haven't done basic research) and their Ban Hammer(s) is/are used quite a lot.

Also one problem is the cr@ppy website search itself. I can use the site search feature on Google with better results than Tom's search feature.

Here's the Google search format to use it:
"<enter search here(no quotes)>" site:<insert site here ie tomshardware.com>

so here's how it would look like:

P35-DS3L overclocking guide site:tomshardware.com


And gives you these results:
http://bit.ly/609GTu
Had to use bit.ly due to phrasing errors

How hard is it to embed the Google Site Search feature on this damn website?!?!?
See: http://www.google.com/sitesearch/
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 1:50:30 AM

Not only do I find many have gotten exceptionally lazy but it's reached epidemic proportions.

I chose to take a break from a help forum I was staff at and that was partly due to the fact that I was just getting tired of the same old questions (that as some here point out could be answered by a very simple google and the first hit would deal with the issue) but also what I perceive as a lack of gratitude and the nagging feeling of being used because they make little to no effort to help out at the place that is helping them and they only show up when they want/need something.

Heck some of them even get snarky if their thread isn't responded to within five minutes of them asking a quesiton.

I tend to believe in giving something back to a community but that concept seems to be falling by the wayside.

Now I'm beginning to see that the problem certainly isn't specific to where I was.
January 6, 2010 2:27:45 AM

FU%k them, not that I'll ever know it all, but I've spent DAYS over the last 35 years learning how to make the hardware/software work...I'm really nasty over the clowns that want to be spoon fed and NOT understand the underlying processes...HELP ME SPEND $5000.00 on a computer to get 500 fps... "swift kick dealt here"...
a c 197 K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 3:11:27 AM

overshocked said:
Yeah, but i guess most of the questions that annoy us are the ones that we have answered over and over again, and are surely on Google.

Or in the stickies here. Or in the motherboard manual. Or in the ...

christop said:
What happen to reading and trial and error?

Unless you are an early adopter of a specific platform, you generally do not need a lot of trial and error. A google search reduces the need to reinvent the wheel.

LoneWolf_53 said:

Heck some of them even get snarky if their thread isn't responded to within five minutes of them asking a quesiton.

I work in Saudi Arabia, so I'm 8 hours out of sync with the U. S. I try to ignore that.

I tend to believe in giving something back to a community but that concept seems to be falling by the wayside.
said:

I tend to believe in giving something back to a community but that concept seems to be falling by the wayside.

Some truth to that. There's a lot of people who sign in with a problem. Then, when the problem is fixed, we never see them again. OTOH, look at this from a noob point of view. Noob signs in with a problem. Someone with a couple thousand of posts provides a solution. Noob is going to think, "Even if I am willing, what can I contribute?"

Now I'm beginning to see that the problem certainly isn't specific to where I was. said:

Now I'm beginning to see that the problem certainly isn't specific to where I was.

No. For better or worse, people are pretty much people wherever you are.
a c 205 K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 10:29:45 AM

Would a FAQ [Frequently Asked Questions] sticky do any good?

It may give us something to directly reference to save typing, what do you guys think?

I don't mind typing out instructions to do something, but 20 times a year for each individual thing gets old, like How do I clone my hard drive to run my new setup, and such as that.

How do I enter my BIOS to make changes, seems a simple question but for the person asking it, if they do not even know how to enter their BIOS setup, what will they do when they get in there?

That is what irritates the majority of us, because you need to research and study what you're doing first and then do it.

Sometimes I think we loose track of the fact we all had to learn, and that is what this website is about, I came here to help others, we need to find a way to do that, and not loose what we're all about in the process.

Maybe we should compile a list of what questions irritate us the most, and see what solutions we can come up with, as far as Stickys are concerned they're mostly ignored anyway, and only looked into when referenced and pointed to them.

Best solution

a c 205 K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 10:54:00 AM
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marcellis22 said:
FU%k them, not that I'll ever know it all, but I've spent DAYS over the last 35 years learning how to make the hardware/software work...I'm really nasty over the clowns that want to be spoon fed and NOT understand the underlying processes...HELP ME SPEND $5000.00 on a computer to get 500 fps... "swift kick dealt here"...


This thread may turn out to be something good, so please keep it foul language free, just because you purposely misspell a word doesn't mean we don't know what it means, you're almost better off spelling it correctly, and let the website filter xxxx it out, or you may force us, the mods, to take action against you, so keep it clean OK.
a c 197 K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 12:19:03 PM

4Ryan6 said:

I don't mind typing out instructions to do something, but 20 times a year for each individual thing gets old, like How do I clone my hard drive to run my new setup, and such as that.

I maintain a couple of text files full of cut 'n paste answers and links on my desktop. I am sure that I am not alone. But it is annoying to see the same questions over and over and over again.
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 3:54:52 PM

^ Nope, you arn't alone in that.
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 5:12:03 PM

^+1, i got about 10.

We should all pool them together to make an faq.
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 5:28:40 PM

My patience for this kind of thing is usually pretty high, but every now and then I'll throw out a "Google is your friend." I am also likely to simply ignore requests that could be answered by a quick search, or even minimal effort.
Boilerplating more answer text sounds like a good idea though. They won't read a FAQ or stickies, or they wouldn't have needed to ask in the first place.
If someone asks a question that is clearly answered in a site FAQ or forum sticky, I'd like to see a Mod post "This thread has been closed. Answers present in FAQ/Sticky. Questioner 'babbled' for 3 days, enough time to READ before asking further questions."
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 5:37:00 PM

^ Yeah, thats true....

I also hate it when their title says "overclocking" and its in the overclocking section...

a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 5:41:00 PM

Onus said:

If someone asks a question that is clearly answered in a site FAQ or forum sticky, I'd like to see a Mod post "This thread has been closed. Answers present in FAQ/Sticky. Questioner 'babbled' for 3 days, enough time to READ before asking further questions."


Like this one....
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256237-29-watercoolin...
Lolz
January 6, 2010 5:50:45 PM

I would theorize that you folks are simply noticing the impact of publicity. You remember the "good old days" when folks that overclocked treated the process as an engineer would. Those folks still exist, I am an engineer, and I'm doing gobs of reading, even if I haven't a large number of tom's posts to my name.

On the other hand, how many articles have you noticed on overclocking? Even the mainstream press now talks about it. My first overclock (celeron 300) seemed to be something most folks didn't talk about. Now, you'll see overclocking mentioned more freely.

Isn't it logical that people read a glib mainstream article on the subject and consider it quite proper to pop in, and ask for someone to tell them what they should do. These aren't engineers.

I think the only logical reaction is to help those that you wish to help, and ignore those you wish to ignore. The real cause of the silly questions is the general media trying to sound hip without knowing what they're talking about.

my humble opinion,

Bob
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 6:24:01 PM

The hardest part is not really helping someone out. It is the fact that every board has different values. So in-turn this normally makes it even more of a PITA if the user has no idea what to change in the Bios.

@ Ryan, yes I think a F.A.Q. sticky would be an awesome idea as long as it can catch the attention of those who are seeking help.. Maybe a big fat "Overclocking for Dummies" sticky would help as well even though we already have OC threads available. But it would help to put "READ BEFORE YOU ASK ANYTHING" in there just to lower the volume of people asking the same dam question....
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 9:02:56 PM

bob5568 said:
I would theorize that you folks are simply noticing the impact of publicity. You remember the "good old days" when folks that overclocked treated the process as an engineer would. Those folks still exist, I am an engineer, and I'm doing gobs of reading, even if I haven't a large number of tom's posts to my name.

On the other hand, how many articles have you noticed on overclocking? Even the mainstream press now talks about it. My first overclock (celeron 300) seemed to be something most folks didn't talk about. Now, you'll see overclocking mentioned more freely.

Isn't it logical that people read a glib mainstream article on the subject and consider it quite proper to pop in, and ask for someone to tell them what they should do. These aren't engineers.

I think the only logical reaction is to help those that you wish to help, and ignore those you wish to ignore. The real cause of the silly questions is the general media trying to sound hip without knowing what they're talking about.

my humble opinion,

Bob



Yes, but its hard to know whos going to help out down the road... also, how are they going to learn?
a b K Overclocking
January 6, 2010 9:11:05 PM

Ah yes the ever popular canned response. :D 

I used to have one of those telling people to fill out their PC hardware information.
a c 197 K Overclocking
January 7, 2010 4:40:49 AM

If you spend any significant time in the forums, you have no choice but to use (frequently edited) boilerplate.

And I really don't know if a FAQ sticky would be worth doing. By and large, people aren't reading the ones we have posted now. I remember the amount of work and time that we, especially shortstuff_mt, put into the "Problems booting" sticky.

bob, the famous 300A Celeron? :)  I find the articles about overclocking and the "free" speed it makes available really amusing. There's no consideration for the fact that you need a better (generally more expensive) motherboard, better (generally more expensive) memory, a better (generally more expensive) PSU, and ... Well, you get the idea. And a lot of the noobs want to cookbook the problem.

This is not a simple hobby we have. There's a very steep learning curve between "RAM is the really fast, temporary storage in your computer" and being able to discuss memory timing.

jtt, a while back, someone wrote in asking about some weird error code. I googled it. First hit answered the question completely.
I posted "Google "XXXXXXXX error code". Google is your friend." And received a completely undeserved "Best Answer". :o 
January 7, 2010 5:09:52 AM

Some will always be lazy the rest will be lazy some times.

All things are balanced in the way of the universe.

Take a deep breath and find your happy place lol
a b K Overclocking
January 7, 2010 8:37:47 AM

I take offence to this thread. I am not lazy, I am... unmotivated. :sol: 
a c 205 K Overclocking
January 7, 2010 10:21:56 AM

randomizer said:
I take offence to this thread. I am not lazy, I am... unmotivated. :sol: 


Tell the OP, but he hasn't posted since he started the thread. :lol: 
a b K Overclocking
January 7, 2010 11:26:00 PM

4Ryan6 said:
Would a FAQ [Frequently Asked Questions] sticky do any good?

Probably not, especially with first time posters, they tend to skip right over stickies and start a new thread to ask something like " Why doesn't Windows see all of my memory ? "

Edit;
Just found another one
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256273-29-e5200-multi...
a c 205 K Overclocking
January 8, 2010 11:52:16 AM

delluser1 said:
Probably not, especially with first time posters, they tend to skip right over stickies and start a new thread to ask something like " Why doesn't Windows see all of my memory ? "

Edit;
Just found another one
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256273-29-e5200-multi...



I'm still waiting for the, "Why are there no stickies here?", thread. :lol:  :pt1cable:  :lol:  :sol: 
a b K Overclocking
January 8, 2010 3:17:02 PM

I find it tiring, but spend most of my time trying to help those who at least come to table with a basic knowledge set. When someone posts a single line question about the best graphics card, I ignore it. When they at least provide their system specs (especially if they include thei PSU) I find myself unconcerned with the time spent helping them out. I first came to this site with a very dated knowledge of PC building and OCing, and within a month of being assisted with my queries, I found myself being able to confidently answer some questions, paying back the advice I got when I first started hanging around.

I used to post google suggestions and the like a lot, but even that has fallen to just ignoring those that haven't taken any time at all to even understand the question they are asking.
a c 197 K Overclocking
January 8, 2010 3:56:06 PM

Jofa, I have doing this for years and years - computers, I mean, not the forums. :)  And I have learned that anyone can learn something if he hangs around long enough.
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Building computers since 1977.
a b K Overclocking
January 8, 2010 5:53:21 PM

delluser1 said:
Probably not, especially with first time posters, they tend to skip right over stickies and start a new thread to ask something like " Why doesn't Windows see all of my memory ? "


Or the one that says "cpu-z detects half of memory speed"...
a b K Overclocking
January 9, 2010 3:46:29 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256308-29-need-help-f...
Good grief, (banging my head on my desk) I don't want to turn this into another "stupidest threads" type of thing, but that one ^ got to me.
I have been around here a while, built quite a few PC's from scratch, (hey I did the Celeron 300a on an Abit BH6!, that was indeed kick butt in it's day) but I admit I am not the sharpest knife it drawer. I learn a lot in these forums, but sometimes it's really tough to believe people are honestly so clueless.
a b K Overclocking
January 9, 2010 4:42:00 PM

jitpublisher said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256308-29-need-help-f...
Good grief, (banging my head on my desk) I don't want to turn this into another "stupidest threads" type of thing, but that one ^ got to me.
I have been around here a while, built quite a few PC's from scratch, (hey I did the Celeron 300a on an Abit BH6!, that was indeed kick butt in it's day) but I admit I am not the sharpest knife it drawer. I learn a lot in these forums, but sometimes it's really tough to believe people are honestly so clueless.

I'm fairly new here, and to OCing (only a couple of years), but I've been building and trouble-shooting systems about 12 years. That helped me figure out how to build systems with balanced hw, e.g., I wouldn't put a $400 HD 5870 on a three-year old board, or to play a game on a 19" monitor.

I invested a lot time reading about OCing on the web at tech sites, and in some forums - including this one. You guys, and a lot of others have really added to my knowledge base. Because I learned so much from you, and others who freely shared their knowledge and experience, I feel like I ought to return the favor. I answer these because it helps me think through the steps, and to emphasize that the thread-starters really need to read their manuals - and review articles and forum postings on their specific hw.
a b K Overclocking
January 9, 2010 6:11:12 PM

Im glad someone does it ;) 
a b K Overclocking
January 9, 2010 7:02:40 PM

^LOL that's a good one.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 11:35:11 AM

mindless728 said:
the hardest part is trying not to be horribly mean, i find myself typing and then realize what i would have posted then just close the firefox tab

can't help myself
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...



Yep. And sometimes a day later I wished I would have just closed the tab.........
a c 197 K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 1:46:25 PM

jitpublisher said:
... (hey I did the Celeron 300a on an Abit BH6!, that was indeed kick butt in it's day)

Had one of those also. The motherboard had the marvelous 440BX chipset. Best P2 chipset ever. It was so good that some of the early P3 motherboards used it.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 2:19:32 PM

jsc said:
Had one of those also. The motherboard had the marvelous 440BX chipset. Best P2 chipset ever. It was so good that some of the early P3 motherboards used it.


I still have a PIII with the 440BX chipset running with a family member.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 3:28:06 PM

jsc said:
Had one of those also. The motherboard had the marvelous 440BX chipset. Best P2 chipset ever. It was so good that some of the early P3 motherboards used it.




That system, still in the same case, still clocked at 450mhz, still running Windows 98 no less, is actually on our shop floor running a print server for printing bar code labels. :D 

Did you see the article about dirty PC's, and I posted a response that said I had some that were worse than those in the pictures? Well, this is one of the ones I was talking about! It sits close to our hard paperboard conversion area. Dust upon dust upon dust upon even more dust, people have to wear goggles and breathing masks in this work area from all of the dust floating around, even though we have huge dust collection systems in place. It has been there for literally 10 years.

I should confiscate it back and clean it up, and just keep it around to look at and smile every once in a while.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 3:33:53 PM

jitpublisher said:

I should confiscate it back and clean it up

The shock might kill it.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 3:41:23 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Probably right, get it all cleaned up and it would never boot again.
a b K Overclocking
January 10, 2010 6:11:44 PM

I had the CPU fan go out on it once after it was just about two years old but it's run ever since and knowing where it is I'd venture plugged with dirt as well. :) 

I can't even recall what CPU was in it but it ran at 700MHz I know that for sure.

It was actually quick back then. By contrast now I'm disappointed if I can't OC a puter more than that. :D 
!