HD4670 vs 8800GS (9600GSO)

8800GS (9600GSO) vs HD4670

OK, I wanted to say first off that the 9600GSO is the same as the 8800GS. However, I read that Nvidia planned on coming out with a 9600GSO that would be less powerful. If you wanted to have an idea how powerful it is, it’s a slightly slower version of the 8800GT. On the techpowerup benchmarks in Unreal Tournament 3, it had about the same framerates as the HD4670.

Another thing that I wanted to note was that I took off the Glaciator heatsink off the Asus 8800GS (I sealed the anti-static bag and put it in the freezer to do it lol) and installed a Thermalright HR-03 GT and then put on a 92mm Nexus fan. (OK, I have to say Thermalright really has to provide a way better fan mounting mechanism so you can install the fan more easily and more snug. That was a nightmare. Also, it would be nice to be able to use the Nexus rubber mounts to put on the fan.) Yes, it may seem like an expensive proposition for a cheap card ($53 CDN after $30 rebate if I get it), but I wanted to see how quiet my computer could get with all Nexus fans in my computer on a fan controller (Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme). In any case, I discovered that by lowering the fan speed to 0, I was able to determine that the only source of real sound comes from my Fortron PSU which has a Yate Loon 120mm fan (even though those fans are apparently the same as Nexus). I’ve determined that the only way to get more silence would be to have a Silverstone Nightjar ST45NF power supply and have a case that has solid metal all the way around except the back. (The case I have has a plastic front but also holes on the side panel.) I might also need a desk where the computer is surrounded by wood if you know what I mean. That would affect temperatures but I would have silence.

The reason I got the 8800GS was to confirm that my HD4670 had some problems with my Asus M3A78-EM motherboard (780G chipset). I noticed with the 8800GS installed on that mobo, when installing UT2004, that after inserting the disk in my drive, it would start reading the DVD faster and also then after clicking on install, it would start way quicker. The problems with this motherboard are discussed here:
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=99753&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
Also, the images did not appear block by block during the UT2004 installation with the 8800GS. I ended up deciding to keep the 8800GS for that computer and putting the HD4670 in my other computer for reasons I’ll describe later. I can also add that with both video cards on that motherboard (Asus M3A78-EM), my 3DMark06 scores were the lowest compared with other results online. I’ve tried swappping hardware and different drivers and looking at various settings. I even got OCZ official support to determine exact settings for the RAM. So, I would hesitate to recommend that motherboard. (If I happen to get another mobo/CPU/RAM for my other computer in the next 3 months, I’ll post results on the anandtech motherboard forum if I resolve the problem .)

The Geforce 8800GS:
* very smooth movement when turning in a video game (way more playable)
* 1080p Quicktime movie trailers look more pale but somehow seems more ‘natural’
* turning on noise reduction and edge enhancement causes flickering in 1080p Quicktime movie trailers

The HD 4670:
* disturbing blur when moving mouse quickly while playing video games
* 1080p Quicktime movie trailers have richer colors (seems more enjoyable)
* causes delays with Asus M3A78-EM motherboard (and maybe other 780G mobos)

I’d like to say here that the blur when moving my mouse in a video game is not just an issue with the HD4670, but also my old X1650XT. I now feel like I had been victimized for a long time with my video card because I didn’t know the difference. The 8800GS gives me a more natural feel and I should be able to play way better now with no hesitation when I want to turn quickly. So, you can see how that changes everything. That’s why I decided to keep the 8800GS in my other machine and use that as a gaming machine. And I decided to keep the HD4670 and use it in my work computer because of the richer colors on videos.

Since the 8800GS had paler colors than the HD4670 while playing 1080p videos, I installed Asus Splendid for the 8800GS to see if I could get richer colors but it didn’t seem to make much of a difference.

Just so you know, with the ATI CCC, pulldown detection is under Avivo Video> Basic Quality. With the Nvidia Control Panel, Edge enhancement and Noise reduction is under Video & Television >Adjust video image settings. These features are described in the tomshardware article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/avivo-vs-purevideo,1492-3.html

I then decided to test 1080p Quicktime movie trailers with the HD4670 on my older computer (2.4GHz Athlon single core socket 939). There was no audio lag once I installed the HDMI driver (for some of the 1080p Quicktime videos). (Why some and not others, I have no idea. They were all on the same Apple website.) (I couldn’t find the HDMI driver on the AMD website so lol, I got it from the Asus website for the M3A78-EM motherboard. For whatever reason, that worked. lol) I’m using on-board audio so I’m not sure why the audio lag would be gone for some videos after installing the HDMI driver. However, with pulldown detection enabled in the CCC, there was audio lag.

By the way, does anyone think that 33’C to 38’C is normal for an 8800GS with Thermalright HR-03 GT with a fan on it? (I read using an HR-03 GT with no fan on an 8800 series is not recommended.) The only program that would detect the temps was Asus SmartDoctor and those were the temperatures.

Both computers have WinXP and 2GB of RAM.

So, for now, I’ll try to play all videos on my work computer with the HD4670 unless I see some lag. Then I can use my gaming computer with the dual core 2.8GHz and 8800GS for those videos that show lag on my single core computer. If I notice that’s not acceptable after trying lots of videos, then I’ll get a new mobo/CPU/RAM for my work computer. I don’t have a Blu-Ray drive but if I do get one, it may have to be an external one so I could test both computers.

My hardware on my gaming rig:
Asus M3A78-EM
Athlon X2 5400+ Brisbane
2GB OCZ special ops 800MHz RAM
Asus 8800GS

My work computer:
Abit AT8 32X
Athlon 4000+ San Diego
2GB OCZ Platinum 400MHz RAM
His IceQ HD4670

I’d also like to add that my work computer is mostly passive so it’s nearly silent. I could not really hear the HIS HD4670 in my work computer.

If I do get another mobo/CPU/RAM for my work computer, it may be a Phenom CPU next time with 1066MHz RAM to make sure I eliminate any possible source of lag. And I would choose a mobo with Nvidia chipset and perhaps Corsair RAM. I prefer full-sized ATX mobos with on on-board video.
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  1. who has the patience to read so much?
  2. my life story wouldn't be this long.
  3. Bird seed. Who ate all the bird seed?
  4. TL-DR
    I actually read the first half. I don't really see what you are trying to say. The 9600 gso is significantly faster than the 4670. The 4670 is supposed to be barebones performance, quiet, cool, and use less power. I don't really see why you would "upgrade" to a GSO anyway as the performance increase isn't worth paying and waiting for though. Kinda confused.
    Also, about color. You !!!MUST!!! properly setup the colors in CCC or NVidia control panel. Stock, the colors are messed up no matter what monitor you have and both vendors have nearly the exact same image quality.
  5. The 9600 gso is significantly faster than the 4670.

    Says who? All "three" cards provide mostly the same performance, with the 4670 trailing the end. From what I remember when the card came out, it is not "significantly" slower, its just a bit slower. The advantage to running the 4670 was/were it doesn't need a 6pin power plug, and it was cheaper. The 4670 has nearly the power of the 3850, which was as fast as the 8800GS. (until AA was turned on.) The 4670 handles AA much better, I think it even beats the 9600GSO in many/most titles with it turned on. The big advantage to getting the 8800GS is the overclocking potential the chip has, unlike the 4670.

    As for the OPs rant, uhmmm, good for you? Colors and motion blur can be changed/turned on or off. I'm not sure I'd ditch a card if you simply need to change a setting in the drivers. Unless you needed a cheap card, I'm not sure I would have "upgraded" to the 9600GSO.
  6. 4745454b said:
    The 9600 gso is significantly faster than the 4670.

    Says who? All "three" cards provide mostly the same performance, with the 4670 trailing the end. From what I remember when the card came out, it is not "significantly" slower, its just a bit slower. The advantage to running the 4670 was/were it doesn't need a 6pin power plug, and it was cheaper. The 4670 has nearly the power of the 3850, which was as fast as the 8800GS. (until AA was turned on.) The 4670 handles AA much better, I think it even beats the 9600GSO in many/most titles with it turned on. The big advantage to getting the 8800GS is the overclocking potential the chip has, unlike the 4670.

    As for the OPs rant, uhmmm, good for you? Colors and motion blur can be changed/turned on or off. I'm not sure I'd ditch a card if you simply need to change a setting in the drivers. Unless you needed a cheap card, I'm not sure I would have "upgraded" to the 9600GSO.


    Benchmarks, average of large number of games, resolutions, and aa settings:
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4670/26.html
    9600gso is faster, although only slightly.

    For price, 9600gso is cheaper.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=9600gso&bop=And&Order=PRICE
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=4670&bop=And&Order=PRICE

    For power consumption, 4670 consume slightly less:
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4670/24.html

    Colors can be adjusted, so it doesn't matter.
  7. I meant overclocking. Im sorry i should have mentioned that.
  8. I liked the post, ty

    and right now the HD3870 and 9600GT are at a sweet spot for mid level gaming. $70 and $60 after rebate
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131095


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125099
  9. customisbetter said:
    I meant overclocking. Im sorry i should have mentioned that.


    Yes, for overclocking, 9600gso is far better than 4670. This is mostly due to it using a severely underclocked high end g92 core with sp turned off, instead of a well-running midrange core that 4670 uses. If you have a crippled Farrari and a normal Toyota, it's easier to tune the Farrari back up to speed that it was originally designed to run at, instead of trying to make the Toyota run faster than it was designed for.
  10. ^Well said dagger.
  11. ATI cards generally overclock poorly because at stock they're clocked closer to their limits. The 4830 is a notable exception though. Like 8800gs/9600gso, it use a crippled and underclocked high end core, instead of normally running mid range core in 4670. 30+% oc.
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_4830/29.html
  12. ur wrong there dagger the 4870 can overclock like mad. ati realized they had a fast chip on there hands so they made the fan run slow to give the impression that the was chip at its limits so they could make nvidia think there was no more head room left in the chip.

    its the same with the 4870x2 bridge chip, its disabled they say there's no performance with it enabled. its all to see what nvidia's reaction will be,
    well that what i think anyway
  13. What are your talking about rangers?
    The highest overclock on a 4870 i have seen is 830 mhz, which i believe is only a 80 mhz overclock. thats nearly worthless. The memory can overclock decently but that doesn't matter as its so fast anyway there really isn't a performance increase. My 4870 only goes to 800 stable and thats with a badass cooler. the highest i have seen the temps are 55 c.
  14. I think it was a powercolor with a different bios that comes with the card that I saw at 900, and theres been a few at 20% ocing, but not alot. Usually if you can get 13% or so, thats about it.
  15. seen 900 with v-mod
  16. 4745454b said:
    The 9600 gso is significantly faster than the 4670.

    Says who? All "three" cards provide mostly the same performance, with the 4670 trailing the end. From what I remember when the card came out, it is not "significantly" slower, its just a bit slower. The advantage to running the 4670 was/were it doesn't need a 6pin power plug, and it was cheaper. The 4670 has nearly the power of the 3850, which was as fast as the 8800GS. (until AA was turned on.) The 4670 handles AA much better, I think it even beats the 9600GSO in many/most titles with it turned on. The big advantage to getting the 8800GS is the overclocking potential the chip has, unlike the 4670.

    As for the OPs rant, uhmmm, good for you? Colors and motion blur can be changed/turned on or off. I'm not sure I'd ditch a card if you simply need to change a setting in the drivers. Unless you needed a cheap card, I'm not sure I would have "upgraded" to the 9600GSO.


    The OP who had both cards sure seems to think the GSO was faster than 4670. I don't know if he overclocked or not.
  17. rangers said:
    ur wrong there dagger the 4870 can overclock like mad. ati realized they had a fast chip on there hands so they made the fan run slow to give the impression that the was chip at its limits so they could make nvidia think there was no more head room left in the chip.

    its the same with the 4870x2 bridge chip, its disabled they say there's no performance with it enabled. its all to see what nvidia's reaction will be,
    well that what i think anyway


    From what I gather 4870 overclock to 850mhz or so. that's not even a high gain. That's typical. 10-15%.
  18. so me and jaydee are wrong you right
  19. You can get a better bios and flash your card for higher clocks, as itll change the voltage as well. And theres like 2 or 3 cards that have a different bios, and they come higher clocked at stock speeds, and they do oc better
  20. i tried that on my palit card and bricked one of the bioses. Thats the reason i bought it because it has two!
  21. Non-modded 4870.
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/24.html

    When ocing, you cannot compare voltmodded cards to non modded cards. Other cards oc higher too with volt modding. Most people sticks to software oc for gpu due to the ease and low risk.
  22. JAYDEEJOHN said:
    You can get a better bios and flash your card for higher clocks, as itll change the voltage as well. And theres like 2 or 3 cards that have a different bios, and they come higher clocked at stock speeds, and they do oc better


    So what's the average for bios flashed 4870 with upped voltage? I'm guessing not much more than than 850. 900mhz max. This is still typical overclocks.

    I think dagger pretty much nailed it on the coffin with his toyota and ferrarri analogy.
  23. rangers said:
    so me and jaydee are wrong you right


    Only if you had any kind of logic you wouldn't blame something like a lower spinning fan that limits overclocking on the 4870. Users who are overclocking will either update fan speeds or get a better heatsink altogether. The latest CCC has manual fan control.

    As for Jaydee. He acknowledges he's an ATI cheer leader. I didn't expect anything less.
  24. marvelous211 said:
    The OP who had both cards sure seems to think the GSO was faster than 4670. I don't know if he overclocked or not.


    No, I said the 8800GS was smoother in games than the HD4670. Actual frame rate is about the same.

    For me, on stock default speeds and settings: 8800GS good for gaming, videos pale, HD4670 good for video, gaming is blurry.

    That's my own observation. This assumes most people wouldn't tinker around with settings anyway. People have said in other forums you could change v-sync or colors so on and so forth. idk
  25. coolpurplefan said:
    No, I said the 8800GS was smoother in games than the HD4670. Actual frame rate is about the same.

    For me, on stock default speeds and settings: 8800GS good for gaming, videos pale, HD4670 good for video, gaming is blurry.

    That's my own observation. This assumes most people wouldn't tinker around with settings anyway. People have said in other forums you could change v-sync or colors so on and so forth. idk


    At stock, the 9600gso is only slightly faster than 4670. There is no way you'll notice a difference in fps.

    As for video, neither of them should be pale or blurry. Something else is going on. Might be a problem with color profiles or other driver settings.
  26. coolpurplefan said:
    No, I said the 8800GS was smoother in games than the HD4670. Actual frame rate is about the same.

    For me, on stock default speeds and settings: 8800GS good for gaming, videos pale, HD4670 good for video, gaming is blurry.

    That's my own observation. This assumes most people wouldn't tinker around with settings anyway. People have said in other forums you could change v-sync or colors so on and so forth. idk


    Smoother or faster what is the difference? In the end better gaming experience.
  27. I already said 13% average oc, just added the bios options thare out there. I believe I said that before you did Marv, but yea, I favor ATI for many reasons, cant help it
  28. Do you like the red PCB? I do.
    I have to say that i like the control panel for nvidia better though.
    Overall, i like them the same, and thats why i own both.

    And i still have no idea what the OP is saying.
  29. Yea, the nVidia control panel is better, and with the addition of the fan control in CCC, Im hoping it wont be the last of changes we see there.

    As for the OP, he will see better performance down the line with his 4670, as ATI has spent their main focus on DX10, or Vista, and XP will see a boost to come, but right now, its Vista first, as they want to head towards the future, and DX10.1
  30. Haven't we been here before? Anyways they're pretty equal in overclocking gains. On incredibly crappy review samples that were only able to overclock 5% (775/2100) there was a 5% increase in performance.. considering some of these can get up to 850/2450 I'd say it more than keeps up with the GSO. Only thing about ati is their cards have less consistency with overclocks. The only real con for the 4670 right now is it needs a $5 price drop or bigger rebates.
  31. This the topic i've been looking for..i'm planning to buy that 4670 to replace my XFX8800gs inside my htpc case coz the GS is too long, and keeps freezing(even with latest drivers)..plus 4670 doesn't require 6 pin connector.. can anybody tell me what is the length of 4670, i googled it but cant find anything..i dont mind loosing that lil bit of performance anyway..
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