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October 24, 2008 9:47:44 AM

i want to upgrade my platform...
maybe i want to build a new one..
i have made a choice to buy the GTX 280, but
i heard that DX 11 is about to come out..
what do you think ? is it good if i buy it or i have to wait ?

and.... if i just upgrade my VGA card.. my procesor is E6400.
will it bottleneck ?

thx
October 24, 2008 10:01:10 AM

What's your current video card?

If you want to get a temporary video card, which is currently the best bang per buck ratio. Then get the Radeon 4850. It could cost as low as $130 is you know where you're looking. :) 

And by benchmark results it a good match to the NVidia 9800GTX+.
October 24, 2008 11:29:14 AM

my current video card is Ati X1950XTX 512MB..
eh, i got another reference that ATi HD4870X2 is better than GTX 280/
what do you think ? 4870x2 beat gtx280 in crysis warhead benchmark
hihihi
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a c 130 U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 11:45:30 AM


If your worried about future DX releases then obviously getting a DX10 only card would be a bit silly at this point but getting an ATI card with at least DX 10.1 support would at least give you some benefits. I dont know when DX11 will show its face or if when it does it will be as bad as DX10 was compared to DX 9 IE not much differance. The only thing i can recomend you do is research When its due, remember we are only just getting games that support DX10.1 so just because its released dont mean it will be usefull. And research what the benefits will be.
Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 12:20:56 PM

It took over a year after DX10 was released before any games actually started to use it. And then, the DX10 cards on the market that people grabbed up at first release for a huge premium were barely able to run it.

For less than couple hundred bucks, man a 4850 would literally smoke the card you have now, big, big time.

Can you overclock that 6400 any? I don't really think there is any need to buy more than a 4850 with that processor, at 2.1ghz, it is going to be holding you back. But right now, that 1950 is your biggest problem.
October 24, 2008 12:38:04 PM

jemmy_skywalker said:
my current video card is Ati X1950XTX 512MB..
eh, i got another reference that ATi HD4870X2 is better than GTX 280/
what do you think ? 4870x2 beat gtx280 in crysis warhead benchmark
hihihi


4870x2 outperforms gtx280 in nearly everything. For that matter, 9800gx2 outperforms gtx280 in nearly everything. Gtx280 is overpriced and overrated.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=14
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=15
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=16
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=17
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=19

x1950 is really getting old if you want to play the latest games. Dx11 is still a while off. You might consider getting a stop-gap card for use until then. A $520 4870x2 will probably be too much for a stop-gap card, although a $280 9800gx2 might make sense.
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=9800gx2&scoring=...
October 24, 2008 12:43:49 PM

I vote wait for DX 11. And periodically report back to us on how that wait is going. I'll be waiting to heard back from you with abated breath. That could be difficult, as I'm sure it will last a good while (particularly as measured by the gfx world standards), but I am up for a challenge.
October 24, 2008 1:12:58 PM

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October 24, 2008 1:33:15 PM

DX11 comes out spring 2009 I reckon, based off nothing but an educated guess. I would wait because DX11 wil play DX10.1 like a hot knife through butter. If you wanna buy now keep in mind any product now will be out of date within 4-5 months. Which is shorter then your normal 6-8 months lifespan.
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 1:37:49 PM

dx10 just became a standard we still have some time till dx11.
get what you can now and enjoy, tech changes drastically. when you get dx11 card next yr dx12 will be out? or better yet ray-tracing.
October 24, 2008 1:39:32 PM

Get a 9800gt or 4830 now (or 9800gtx+ or 4850 if the price difference isnt much) and then when dx11 comes out, get a new system.
October 24, 2008 1:58:30 PM

Buy now.
Don't wait.

What you have now is fairly outdated for modern games if that is what you are into.

It's going to be a year before you see many DX11 games.
Why put your life on hold?

And Yes, your E6400 will hold back top end cards unless you OC it.
You should be able to hit 3.2Ghz w/o a problem and likely more.
This should be sufficient in most cases.
October 24, 2008 1:59:00 PM

you could wait a couple of more weeks, possibly Dec, then get a BFG 280 and just Upgrade to a different card in 100 days:) 
October 24, 2008 4:52:55 PM

L1qu1d said:
you could wait a couple of more weeks, possibly Dec, then get a BFG 280 and just Upgrade to a different card in 100 days:) 


wait a second... i dont get it
LOL
you told me to wait ..but... get a BFG 280 ? and just upgrade in 100 days ?
sori2 i am really don't get it
is it just a jokes ?
hihihihihi
sori2..

eh, what if i just build a ne system with
Intel Q9450
MSI P7N2 diamond
2x2gb Corsair TwinX DDR3 1600
320Gb Hdd Sata2
Sylverstone Zeus 750 watt

my question is...
is my PSU will power up Ati HD4870x2 or GTX280 with this kind of system ?
i got a plan to build that computer, but still using my old X1950XTX and wait for the DX11..
what do you think ?

thanks for all the advice..
Very2 thanks to all of you..
regard

October 24, 2008 5:01:06 PM

well in 2 months with the release of the new Nvidia cards, you can buy a cheaper 280 and if you don't like it, in 100 days you pay a little more and get top of the line....so understand that:) 

Its not rocket science.
October 24, 2008 5:03:04 PM

what do you think of my plan ? is it good ?
and about the power supply
because i already had the Zeus 750watt..
n i dont have more money to change it
hihihi
thx..
Your Gear is Great Man !!! "L1Qu1D
October 24, 2008 5:09:48 PM

the PSU is more than enough for the 280 GTX or the 4870 X2.
a c 91 U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 5:19:46 PM

I waited and waited and waited for ati to come out with a good card. When they did i purchased the 4870. 2 month's later I bought a gtx 260 to replace it because it wasn't as good as claimed and wasn't worth the wait. If you want the card buy it. You and I and nobody else is gonna know if dx11 is worth the wait and we don't even know if the cards will be released when they say. Want performance now ?......... buy it now!
October 24, 2008 5:21:40 PM

Remember also that like DX10, even when DX11 comes out, games will support both for a while, (they still do atm for dx10 supporting dx9 because its so unpopular to upgrade for some gamers) that waiting for a first wave DX11 card would mean 3 things...

1. High Price, when 8800s first came out as the first dx10 cards, they were $600+, now they are <$200, and this is the time where most games are going DX10. Games wont support DX11 exclusively until the market supports it with cheaper GPUs. You can bet the first wave of DX11 cards wont get used to their full potential for a while

2. Current series in ATI are extremely top notch in price / performance, it wont get this good again for a while

3. DX11 will come out bugged and broken like the first DX10 games, guaranteed. Going strait for it in the first 6 months of release is foolish when no games will support it for a while and when they start, they will under utilize DX11 and probably be buggy, while supporting DX10, and being mostly unplayable on the first wave DX11 cards. So just go DX 10.1, its going to be the main standard for the next generation of games and will last a while.
October 24, 2008 5:29:08 PM

oh thx Liquid.. before you tell me like it, i was worried because u used 1000Watt Psu for your system.. hehehe
maybe it's the right time to upgrade..
THX all good people..
liquid, so which one do you prefer /... Hd4870x2 or GTX280.. or maybe just the HD4870 ? hihihi
October 24, 2008 5:32:39 PM

DX 10 wasn't bugged, the whole issue was the Vista optimizations...not even DX9 performed the way it was supposed to.

I don't kno where your getting we will never see these prices again from, during the 8800 Killer years, the 8800 GTS 320 dropped from 450$ to 300$ in 3-4 months after release.

Which for its time was a god send, since most cards topped off at 400, even the 1950 XTXs.

Honestly you can't predict the market. Look @ dx 10.1 cards, they just came out are the 600$??? no they start at 150$!!!!! What makes you think DX 11 will do the same???

Honestly don't start throwing words out. You can't predict the market.

The real answer to this question can't be solved by any1, it all revolves around the money, patience and type of performance/eye candy the OP wants.

Don't sell him crap and claim its gold, ur explaining 1 side of the story.

Whats the lesson? waiting is always better than rushing in head deep, ppl saying buy buy buy, is like whats happeneing in the economy now in North America, OMG houses are cheap now, buy buy buy...money is at all time low, banks want their money back the ppl have none to give em.

Don't rush into a purchase, if you do have a back up plan...with the ATi cards so far if you go with them you better not regret it, because I don't think there is a step up plan where you can exchange in 3 months.

If you do go with ATI though you'll have top end price/performance for this year...

So there are many roads you need to see. Honestly I'd say wait and see what new years brings, unless your like me and change cards every 3-4 months.
October 24, 2008 5:34:23 PM

If it were me, and I would go with the 4870 X2, but most ppl would tell you to go for the 4870 since its cheap and it is less of a hassle.

Honestly its up to you...you can always have 1 4870 and then down the road buy another 4870 or and 4870 X2 and sli them:) 

The 280 GTX is a beast card, but the price you pay for it kinda closes the door on the card.

If you have the patience that I sure as hell don't I'd wait till near Xmas or just get a temp crappy card for now, prices will only go down for these current cards. And really it doesn't take much to play whats out now, 1 8800 GT still is pulling it's weight, (4850 seems to be the gaming standard though now)

So really its all about will power now, if you feel like waiting a bit and having more of a selection.
October 24, 2008 5:36:57 PM

Fact 1: Games that utilize DX11 wont be arround for at least 6 months AFTER DX11 hardware is available, so buy now and upgrade again in 1-2 years.
October 24, 2008 5:41:03 PM

B-Unit said:
Fact 1: Games that utilize DX11 wont be arround for at least 6 months AFTER DX11 hardware is available, so buy now and upgrade again in 1-2 years.


buy in 1-2 years means you'll enjoy DX11 eye candy when it doesn't really matter much now does it:) 

I agree that DX11 isn't a high selling point, but don't forget that the cards themselves from both ATI and Nvidia will be stronger.
a c 106 U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 5:42:33 PM

The Ati X1950XTX is still a good card for playing games in DX9. Since you seem to be willing to spend the money though I'd say go with a Radeon 4850. A faster card probably won't benefit you much right now unless you're using a rather high resolution. If you want more power than that then instead of getting a 280 you would get more benefit by getting a Radeon 4870 and using the difference in price to upgrade your CPU and perhaps your motherboard if you have anything less than a decent P45 board.

If you don't want to replace your board and CPU then consider overclocking it to get the most benefit out of your new GPU.
October 24, 2008 5:43:25 PM

hey man, i got more issue
" Ati HD4870X2 temperature is just like HELL "
Oh my Gosh...

confuse so much
October 24, 2008 5:50:00 PM

yes the 4870 X2 temps are outrageous but honestly turning up the fan a little bit makes enough of a difference, the 4870 X2 in my secondary stays around 72 with the fan around 75-80% it doesn't really affect the rest of the components in that compute.r
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2008 6:02:30 PM

From what I have heard, current DirectX 10.1 hardware will fully support DX version 11.

Is this true? not sure, but.....I have been wrong once.

1Haplo
October 24, 2008 6:04:59 PM

DX11 is backwards to 10.1, but you won't have the 11 eye candy with the 10.1.

You will only have visuals going up to 10.1 with a 10.1 card. So its like Crysis with dx 9 cards, they can still play crysis just only in dx 9 and not 10:) 

If that was your question then thats the answer, if that wasn't ur quesiton then what????:p 
October 24, 2008 6:08:03 PM

With your processor the 4850 will hit the spot. They are very cheap and should last you at least 6-8 months and play just about anything with good settings. By that time the money you saved up can go towards going all out with the latest and greatest DX11 card.
October 24, 2008 6:17:27 PM

what about the motherboard ??
can you give me references ??
i want motherboard with DDR3 but the price is unbelievable
and what manufacturer you choose the best ?
gigabyte, asus or msi ?
if i use Ati HD.. so i have to pick the intel chipset right ?
what is the newest chipset of intel ?
October 24, 2008 6:20:38 PM

Waiting for dx11 is silly. We still haven't really harnessed dx10. yet. The first iteration of dx11 cards will be too slow for dx11 games anyway.

Although 1950xtx isn't a bad card it's slow by today's standards. I would skip the 280gtx. Go with 4870 or 260gtx and save the money. Your processor is fine. overclock. You can easily get 3.2ghz out of your processor.
October 24, 2008 6:21:55 PM

i also confuse about the manufacturer of ATI VGA CARD..
HIS... Sapphire.... Gigabyte.. GEcube...
which one ???
oh My Gosh..
October 24, 2008 6:22:33 PM

jemmy_skywalker said:
i also confuse about the manufacturer of ATI VGA CARD..
HIS... Sapphire.... Gigabyte.. GEcube...
which one ???
oh My Gosh..


They're all the same.
October 24, 2008 6:24:51 PM

need motherboard Help pleasee.....

the same ? the life time quality ? is the same ?
October 24, 2008 6:28:40 PM

or maybe i should stay with DDR2 ??
the price of 4gb DDR3 .. give me 8gb of DDR2 ram..
waakaka
October 24, 2008 7:04:58 PM

jemmy_skywalker said:
need motherboard Help pleasee.....

the same ? the life time quality ? is the same ?


All those manufacturers buy the chip from ATI/Nvidia. They don't actually do the "manufacturing." :p 

jemmy_skywalker said:
or maybe i should stay with DDR2 ??
the price of 4gb DDR3 .. give me 8gb of DDR2 ram..
waakaka


Stay with ddr2. Price gap is too big, for almost no real world performance difference.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253871-30-under-ddr2
October 24, 2008 7:10:02 PM

LOL...
yes.. You're Right
haahah..

what i like from Forum is the answer is the FACT
not like in a magazine..
in a magazine.. there is no bad product
haahahah..
same chipset... but different price.. oh my Gosh..
compare the price of Gecube and HIS .... HIS is more expensive..
that make people mindset think that HIS is far more better than GEcube..

October 24, 2008 7:14:25 PM

jemmy_skywalker said:
LOL...
yes.. You're Right
haahah..

what i like from Forum is the answer is the FACT
not like in a magazine..
in a magazine.. there is no bad product
haahahah..
same chipset... but different price.. oh my Gosh..
compare the price of Gecube and HIS .... HIS is more expensive..
that make people mindset think that HIS is far more better than GEcube..


Have you looked up Gecube's graphics chip? It's a toy compared to any half decent PC graphics card. :p 
October 24, 2008 7:17:47 PM

what do you mean ??
very poor graphic card ?
so.. which one i have to choose HIS or Saphire ?
some of my friend say that His is better... and otherwise
hihihih
October 24, 2008 7:21:43 PM

jemmy_skywalker said:
what do you mean ??
very poor graphic card ?
so.. which one i have to choose HIS or Saphire ?
some of my friend say that His is better... and otherwise
hihihih


Whatever is cheaper. And kids always say their toy is better than yours. :D 
October 24, 2008 10:08:46 PM

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March 13, 2009 9:11:36 PM

i bought the original nvidia gpu. i think it was the early 90's, and quickly got tired of trying to keep up with tech. dx10.1 will last for awhile.
March 14, 2009 12:11:39 AM

jemmy_skywalker said:
wait a second... i dont get it
LOL
you told me to wait ..but... get a BFG 280 ? and just upgrade in 100 days ?
sori2 i am really don't get it
is it just a jokes ?
hihihihihi
sori2..


I don't think l1qu1d was joking...

Some manufacturers offer an upgrade program, like Evga and BFG. If you buy a grafics card of their brand, you get the opportunity to upgrade it within a certain period (judging from the response it's 100 days with BFG; with evga it's 90 days); if you decide to upgrade within the given period, you get the entire cost of the original card discount on the new one.
So if you know there are new cards coming out, but they're not available yet, you can buy a high end graficscard, then when the new one is out, you get the entire sum you paid for it discount on the then most recent card.

I don't know the releasedates of the future cards, but the waiting period would be so that they are released within the 100 days from when you buy the original card.

I don't know if this kind of program exists with manufacturers that sell cards with ATI chipsets; but it is worth looking into.
July 1, 2009 3:08:18 PM

get dx11 because it will support dx10 games but with MUCH better preformance. and than a year later you get dx11 games. i dont know about you but im so going for dx11 cards!
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