Intel & nVidia at it again

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20081223PD216.html
This is so sad. People that wanted sli on Intel, now people actually wanting gfx in netbooks, but NOOOOOOOOO, we cant get along. Its time both nVidia and Intel quit acting like each other and start making some money, and giving us what we want

^ What he said.

Intel was/is very much wanting to get into the graphics market. Nvidia and to an extent ATI are busy laughing their proverbial asses off, and essentially intel is getting butt hurt. Its like high school, but in a multi-billion dollar market.

I keep hearing more, what Id like to know is dollar figures. When you sell crap, it has to be lowly priced, vs discrete. So, if you sell 2x as many at 10$ a flop, who cares? Crap is still crap

Thats so.....80s heheh, or Ford or Chevy. Intel doesnt get it here. Someone will do it. And then what? I understand their mindset, but then again, arent they really hurting themselves as well? The margins on their other chips are much higher, and yes theyd lose profit/%'s. But someones going to do this. John Peddie said Intel doesnt get it, and this is 1 example. If they raised their prices on Atom, it maybe not be so attractive, as competitors come in. You may see AMD and other ARM chips as well doing this, and Intel will be left out.

The point is , is this. Raising the costs of Atom would then somewhat justify for allowing a shared platform, as profit/% would go up. The problem is, Intel sees this as a funtional for business be it personal or professional. Those picings usually have to be kept low, as this market somewhat demands it. Whereas as "fun" platform, they can get away with charging more for it, as its features will be increased, and since Intel really doesnt offer a complete platform, and wont even with LRB at this level, theyve stiffed this entire segment/market.

Again, as Ive said, if they upped their costs, and allowed for a shared system/platform, itd work, but then this is where competition comes in, and frankly, I think Intel just wants to manage it at this level/market, while others will and should step in and have some "fun"

By not sharing in a complete platform, Intel is shooting itself in the foot. They never have done gfx, and LRB will be too much for this, and its to Intels shame, after all these years of dumping their crap IGPs on us, meanwhile, its time for others to step up, and take this market, as Intel wants to just manage it

@jaydeejohn, What is the AMD equivalent of the atom called?

And this is not a loaded or flamewar\fight inducing question (hopefully), I've been up to my eyeballs in work for the last several months (woot!) and I cannot be bothered to go looking for what AMD may or may not have been up to in the desktop CPU arena, let alone the laptop playground.

Hmm, that may not bode well for those little netbook things which, let's face it, are not a bad starter for ten if you are ten, and also quite useful if your vehicle has a limited carrying capacity.

Well considering the fact that Intel does sell more of their IGPs to businesses and that we gamers and enthusiasts are a very small portion of the market you never know. Intel does out sell NV and ATI by a lot because most people just want a PC to do what they need and thats surf the web and watch some movies. We gamers don't normally worry about this because, well a PC gamer who uses a IGP is not really that much of a gamer.

Its like those Youtube videos that AMD has that show their IGP vs Intels IGP for gaming. We all know it can play older games and thats just fine but most PC gamers will do what we always do and get a discrete and 100%+ better GPU.

AMD has yet to make one.

Atom is good for its market too. And the applications that it has once they can find a way to put the chipset on the CPU will be quite nice.

The GMA chips are crap, but I wouldn't call them garbage: most people don't buy laptops to play the latest games, and the crap GMA chip in my laptop will happily handle web browsing, DVDs and older games like Everquest and Guild Wars... whereas even Half-Life 2 gets it down to about 2fps.

That said, I can't see any rational reason for putting them in a laptop unless they're dirt cheap or have better capabilities in other areas than comparable chips with better graphics performance.

By the time everybody who opposes AMD realizes they
were doing it better then Intel it'll be too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd0Of4PnpQk

Intel fanboys clearly need to reevaluate the way they think.

Intel has no intention on keeping customers happy.
They continue to produce chips that are too expensive to purchase and operate.

Here's a stress test on Intel platform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeFyUiV6gxI&NR=1

Have you looked at the Penryn Die? Intel crammed all its circuitry onto one side and its cache on the other.
This creates an infrared imbalance. The Barcelona and Phenom chips from AMD are balanced and do not have this imbalance. It is better for keeping it cool.

As for the Antitrust suit, it is totally hilarious to see Intel stalling for time. The only reason they are is because they know they will be found guilty. The whole industry knows this too. Or don't any of you READ the news?

Now, flame on fanboys!

you would be surprised at the market share intel has grabbed hold of... especially in non gaming/office OEM systems... i saw a statistic somewhere... probly on the folding@home site of the manufacturers market shares

JayDee, Intel came up with the Nettop and Netbook category. If anyone wants to compete with them then you need to come up with their own CPU and Chipset combination. I believe ARM is already doing just that. Using an ARM Processor and whatever they use for chipset. AMD is working on a higher end version of a Netbook. There is your competition.

I see only one way to legitimately for Nvidia to come out with their ION system using the Atom processor. Since Intel is only planning to sell the Atom together with the 945Gxxx chipset a integrator would buy the Intel Parts. Use the Atom with the Nvidia chipest and Nvidia would have to do the necessary validation of that combination and then the left over Intel chipset could be use in a lower performing laptop using pentium processor or something. That way the system integrator could sell both and not waste anything.

This may be part of the answer, tho theres more to it
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobil [...] Logic.html
I know its from FUaD, but heres a lil more info, some actually may be true http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 0&Itemid=1

Read my links?

Rangers it wouldnt be a 9800M GTS. It would be something that would at least let you run 3d aps with decent fps, that also wouldnt kill battery life. Probably on scale/less than a...8400M GT/GS. But i guess either way heat would be an issue like you say. My wifes HP dv6768 has a 8400M GS in it, bottom of the laptop is scalding hot after a little bit of EQ2 or what not.

Hey, what can I say? I loved that eggnog heheh, I meant exactly that, bundled, but i bungled bundle, so it was a blunder