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Early 4850X2 benchmark from Tweaktown..

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October 31, 2008 6:12:47 AM

From other sites I've read, it should retail for around $399 which kinda doesn't make sense to me. I understand that it's 2 GPU's slapped on one pcb and thus will be more expensive than it's counter parts, but if 2 4850s for xfire run around $300-$350, this would seem to me an odd purchase. Personally, I'd rather save the $50-$100 bux and grab two normal 4850s in crossfire. Unless the performance increase would justify the extra, which I would likely doubt would be the case.

Granted, for those with single slot PCIe motherboards this would probably be a greattttttt card for the price.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2008 6:24:52 AM

Although Im not partial to one side or the other, it is good to see AMD kicking sand in someone elses face for a change. Keep it up AMD! :p 
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October 31, 2008 6:30:45 AM

the 4870x2 is more than 2 4870s in crossfire. and it does perform better than 2 4870s CF'd so there you go. on the high end each hundred you spend gets you less performance, but there are always people who'll go for it.

i am pretty excited to see ati doing something about nvidia, about time. nvidia will have to come up with some good cards in the coming months :D 
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2008 6:53:22 AM

The problem with the 4850x2 is that its using GDDR3, and all those wire traces will have to be exact. Thatll cost more, and maybe add a few more layers onto the pcb, plus its 2 gigs of GDDR3, and thats more as well. Im hoping they can keep the pricing right, if they do, itll be a G280 killer
October 31, 2008 7:33:11 AM

@bosshoss Many people with a single PCI-E slot who want crossfire without replacing their motherboard will jump on this.
October 31, 2008 7:33:33 AM

what amd only did is price their highest cards reasonably which should be.
nvidia is only left behind in marketshare not performance.
October 31, 2008 10:33:47 AM

jaydeejohn is right, its a 2gb version they're releasing for $400... and not only should it consume less power[minimal], it should run a little better than two 4850's cf'd...most of the time anyhow
October 31, 2008 1:00:11 PM

Domination thats what it is. First the 4850 taking down the 9800gtx the 4870 forcing the 260gtx price drops then the beast 4870x2 taking the performance crown. Recently the 4830 taking over 9800gt seat the 4670 being the perfect entry level gaming card just infront of the 9500gt and 9600 gso now this 4850x2 stealing 280gtx sweet spot between the 4870 and the 4870x2. I cant wait to see nvidia's response besides price the drops and the renaming scheme.
October 31, 2008 4:24:22 PM

This is just Vantage, I mean 1 280 GTX destroys a 4870 X2, this says very little:) 

We'll have to wait for real benchies, but keep in mind that chances are this will be the 2nd strongest Video card on the market. Unless ATI pulls a 2900 XT again, which I doubt they can afford considering their financial problems:) 
October 31, 2008 8:27:53 PM

They delivered with the 4870. Why would they not with the 4850? Its essentially the same chip.
October 31, 2008 8:34:40 PM

Are you aware of human beings? mistakes are made even when perfect, your saying there isn't a chance to make a mistake????

They aren't flopping em together they are making a new card:)  I could say that Nvidia's GX2 is going to be awesome because all it is 2 cards flopped together, easy way out.

Look @ AMD's true quad core;) not as good as Intel's stucktogether haha:p 

Either way we'll see, not saying its a bad card, hope for the best, and expect the worst:D 

October 31, 2008 8:42:44 PM

Are you aware of QCing? QAing? Experience? Lol?

Mistake? They already have the experience from the 3870X2 and the very sucessful 4870X2. They cant screw up taking a 4870X2 PCB and replacing the cores with 4850 ones. Its not that simple but you get the mental diagram.

Not only that, but the Vantage score backs this up. "just Vantage" is still proof that the card works, very well. The 4870X2 wasnt a 3870X2 scailing nightmare, just like the 4850X2 wont be.
October 31, 2008 8:51:57 PM

Your being ignorant, thats all I'm saying, Vantage is still proof? is the 280 GTX a better card than the 4870 x2??????

Alright from now on the 280 GTX is the better card your mind :)  since it beats the 4870 X2 in Vantage:D 

Doesn't that sound ignorant ???

Moving on the, 4850 X2 will be the 2nd strongest card on the market we'll prob see:

4870 X2 > 4850 X2 >9800 GX2~280 GTX > 4870~260 GTX and on down the road.
October 31, 2008 9:59:17 PM

Ill take your insult and leave it at that.

The problem here is you are afraid to admit/recognize that this card will deliver at a price. Youve spent over $1200 on video cards to see it POSSIBLY beat by a $700-$800 solution.

Im not going to argue with you, you do this in every thread you post in. Its your way or the highway, right? Opinions are like assholes, or so I hear.

I made this thread because A. I ran across it and saw no thread had been made about it yet, and B. Because this is a highly/mildly anticipated card. Your opinion on Vantage scores means little to nothing, espically since you completely overlooked my reference. The high X vantage score means they card HAS SOME DAMN GUTS TO IT. Toss out youre ridiculus "the GTX 280 is better in your mind" conclusion.
October 31, 2008 10:42:12 PM

Spathotan chill out man. Liquid was not flaming ATI or calling you wrong he was just stating facts. I'm sure that money is no option for him so it doesnt matter if he spent $1200 on video cards. He was actually backing ATI saying that Vantage is not a great tool to test cards. It shows a 280 above a 4870x2 and he AGREED that the ATi card is the fastest one out. Just simmer down and we can continue to discuss the new card.
/end rant

Now, I probably will be looking long and hard at this card. My motherboard went and I needed one fast so i went to a micro center and they did not have the board I wanted, so I settled for a one card board. But now wishing I didnt because I really want to crossfire my 4850. So if the price is right i might be jumping on the new 4850x2. Or just wait for more prices to come down, and perhaps get a 280.
October 31, 2008 10:46:29 PM

Im all for civil posting, afterall I dont want to see my thread become a flame-fest. His "ignorant" comments were unnecessary regardless.

Volcanicstrad37 said:

Now, I probably will be looking long and hard at this card. My motherboard went and I needed one fast so i went to a micro center and they did not have the board I wanted, so I settled for a one card board. But now wishing I didnt because I really want to crossfire my 4850. So if the price is right i might be jumping on the new 4850x2. Or just wait for more prices to come down, and perhaps get a 280.


Im sort of in the same box as you. I have a P45, but obviously at 8x/8x. My 4870 is current sitting at VisionTek awaiting if im going to be rewarded with warranty service or not. Im currently pondering wether or not I should sell it for two 4850s, or wait for this X2. Since I game at 1680 x 1050, the 8x/8x wont hurt the Crossfire solution too much, it would be a different story if I was running on a 27" or what not.
October 31, 2008 10:48:38 PM

Come on l1qu1d, I know you love your nvidia a little too much for my taste, but even you know that it's virtually impossible for the HD 4850 X2 to flop as a card (at least not when price is not taken into account, since that has yet to be seen).

Here are some more shots of the Sapphire version, stress test, vantage run (yay... more useless), FC2 run (yay... crappiest game of 2008), and a Warhead run.

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/sapphire-hd-4850x2-firs...

I'm liking the sapphire cooler, keeping this puppy cool at 66 C under load is quite a feat, I hope Sapphire decides to introduce this cooler for the HD 4870 X2 as well.

EDIT: Sorry I just noticed I linked you to what the Tweaktown article links you to. (I was just browsing VR-zone and came across it)
October 31, 2008 10:54:25 PM

Cool, thanks for the pics/extra benchmarks emp. I never did click on the actual link in the article from tweaktown. Card looks preety nice, alot better than the 4870X2.
October 31, 2008 11:01:46 PM

Yeah, I was actually browsing VR-zone and came here to post about it, but you beat me to the punch :p 
October 31, 2008 11:08:11 PM

I never once stated it as a flop I don't kno if your missing my posts or not, I merely said that you hope for the best and expect the worst. What if they misplace a circuit or what they try to improve upon a design and it goes wrong?

Thats all I'm saying I don't beleive I ever said once that Nvidia is going to dominate all. I'm not taking sides for either, since you'll notice I have an X2 in my secondary.

I'm merely saying that we can expect anything, look at the benchmarks of the 4870 before it came out, I mean it was 2 times the power of the GX2, yet we see the GX2 being the strongest card till march.

I'm def not saying this card is going to suck in any way, I hate the fact that people don't take everything with a grain of salt.


Spathotan, you open a thread, you should kno to expect and take in other people's opinions.

You acted like a fanboy so I stepped in (after my first post, everything till then was ok). Once you said that oh wats so hard about just replacing a chip blah blah, you completely ignored the idea of human error, that's why I said you need to understand that anything can be flop:)  doesn't take much too be unsuccessful.

I for 1 don't really care if this card is a flop or not, I have a 4870 X2 which is working perfectly when my friends come over for a lan party.

EMP, honestly when in this forum or in others did I ever state that ATI is crap, and Nvidia is God??

I would actually like to see some evidence. Is because I said the 3 280s beats out 2 4870 X2s??

Well that is in fact the truth when they were both tested on skulltrail, both actually have optimization problems:) 

Can any1 confirm for me, is the 4850 X2 a 1 gig?
October 31, 2008 11:31:12 PM

I only tip towards price, or if you want top of the line, if you see most (if not all) of my posts tip towards 4870 1 gig, 260 GTX old, or 4870 X2. (or waiting for the 4850 X2).
:) 

I hug nothing, just w.e ppl want to waste on an object. Oh and to defend my 280s, I didn't spend a penny. My friend did a direct trade with me for my 9800 GX2s. He gets the cards for almost nil since he owns a shop and works for IBM (I think I don't pay attention when he talks)
So I paid about nil, :) . He also helpped me find a cheap 4870 X2. Actually paid for that one though.

Hmm weird links, 1 says 512 for pcb, and the other says 1 gig per pcb. I guess we'll have to see.

I would be pretty pissed if they made 2 version though lol. They should only have the 1 gig:D 
October 31, 2008 11:35:19 PM

emp said:
I've heard both, that it will be 1GB and that it will be a 2GB card. At this point only god and ATi know the truth.

I'm not saying that you are an nvidia hugger, but you tend to tip to the green side when the choice is given.

Check these links and you let me know...

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10196&Itemid=1

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10195&Itemid=1



:pt1cable: 

Who knows! I hope it is 2 gigs, but then again i hope it is $300 with rebates, but that probably wont happen
October 31, 2008 11:39:26 PM

If you got either Quadfire HD 4870 X2 or TRI-SLI GTX 280, then money wasn't an issue at all and you're trying to power a screen big enough. I think you already know what's good for you anyway.

The one thing I have a personal vendetta against is nvidia chipsets, not their graphics cards, but right now they aren't really appealing price wise on most price segments anyway.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2008 12:26:59 AM

It used to be, the 7xxx series from nVidia showed better in 3DMark, but over all the 19xx series was a little better. Then the 2xxx and 3xxx series came out, showed great "potential in 3DMark, but failed in games, while the G80 series ruled, but showed less, at similar price points. Now its changed again, where even the ATI "looks" like its not doing so great, it wins at price point again.

When the 4xxx series came out, and before we had anything but bungholio marks, I suggested this as a possibility, and while Im not saying Im patting myself on the back, these things do happen, as its only a bungholio mark and nothing more.

As for the high previous showing of the potential of the gen 2xxx or 3 xxx series, we finally see it fullfilled in the 4xxx series, tho its still only bungholio marks
November 1, 2008 2:00:56 AM

put down the handbags boys
November 6, 2008 12:26:19 PM

emp said:
I've heard both, that it will be 1GB and that it will be a 2GB card. At this point only god and ATi know the truth.

I'm not saying that you are an nvidia hugger, but you tend to tip to the green side when the choice is given.

Check these links and you let me know...

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10196&Itemid=1

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10195&Itemid=1


From what i've seen its going to be 2gb. Or so i hope. I see what L1qu1d tryin to say, I don't like vantage point to much either, pretty much says what ever card or cpu has the better specs is the better card or cpu but thats not always true. Here are some links w/ the 4850x2 in some real game benchies enjoy!!!

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_4850x2...
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=657
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

4850x2 FTW
January 1, 2009 3:25:47 PM

Ok Does anyone know is the 4850x2 just a one board Xfire system or is it going to actually be a better card then two 4850 xfired
the reason i am asking is because what if you are playing a game or using software the does not support xfire and thus it is useless
i have been thinking about getting one but if im not going to see a boost then im going to keep my xfire setup
January 1, 2009 8:03:42 PM

This is over 1 month old why bring it back?

From what I've seen it does not perform as 2 4850s. I mean 2 4850s you saw a higher leap over 1 280 GTX compared to the 4850 X2 which is on par, lower or slightly higher than the 280 GTX (Meaning, it exchanges blows, while 2 4850s I've seen stay higher more consistently).

a b U Graphics card
June 20, 2009 3:14:43 PM

bosshoss said:
From other sites I've read, it should retail for around $399 which kinda doesn't make sense to me. I understand that it's 2 GPU's slapped on one pcb and thus will be more expensive than it's counter parts, but if 2 4850s for xfire run around $300-$350, this would seem to me an odd purchase. Personally, I'd rather save the $50-$100 bux and grab two normal 4850s in crossfire. Unless the performance increase would justify the extra, which I would likely doubt would be the case.

Granted, for those with single slot PCIe motherboards this would probably be a greattttttt card for the price.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

$200 for the card, with rebate $185.
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