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Need opinions on the heart of my new RiG

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December 27, 2008 2:38:00 PM

Ok so like the title says im building a new rig. I Started my Computer building in love with Intel. a Few Years back i found out what AMD was alll about when i bought a Athlon64 3700+ and i loved it.
Now that im on the market for an upgrade(Finally) it seems as if Intel is back on top.

Im really not sure where to start

Currently im running a

AMD athlon 64 3700+
2GB of PC3200
ATI Radeon 1650Pro 512MB(PCI express x16)

and im bottle necking on World of Warcraft and only getting about 20FPS on high settings.

Im assuming it is my CPU that is causing that.

So Down to business.

Opinions on what i should go with AMD for the Value or Intel for power.

I'm Hoping to spend in the 100$ Range(give or take $25) for the new CPU.

Also with what you suggest Please include a good MOBO suggestion if you can. i know enough about computers to build one but i would not consider me a guru by anymeans.

PS i am not into overclocking because i have heard it shortens your CPU life.

Thanks in Advance i have been reading Posts for awhile i figured i might as well post my first post and see what people thought.

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December 27, 2008 2:49:59 PM

If you are playing the new Lich King WoW expansion, the video card might actually be the bottleneck, the requirements really got up.

About the 100$, is it for the CPU alone or the total upgrade budget?

Can you give us all your system's spec (MB, PSU, ...)?
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December 27, 2008 2:59:09 PM

^+1. esp the PSU.
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December 27, 2008 3:00:44 PM

$100+/-25 is for the CPU alone im figuring on spending about $400ish on the new system since i just bought a 585w PSU and i thought my video card was good.

total system is

Mobo - MSI MS-7184
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Memory - 2GB PC3200(4x512mb)
VID - HIS Radeon 1650Pro (512mb)
PSU - 585w Generic

The Way i see it is i plan on buying a new CPU, MOBO, RAM, HDD and Vista Home Premium and hopfully stay around 400ish

the extent of my gaming is usually World of Warcraft. however i do want to get somthing that i can eventully upgrade to a Quad Core when they are price efficent (or maybe they are price efficient right now, i saw an AMD Phenom 9600 for 99$ on newegg special last night, however after reading here i dont want anything that isnt AMD XX50)
December 27, 2008 3:04:43 PM

i read the budget build for the month and it was using an overclocked intel for 625 and they spend 160 on a video card and around 100ish for a case and PSU so if i did that build i could do it it for just under 400$ish and then buy vista. just trying to buy with some knowledge of what is currently out there thanks for the help so far.

December 27, 2008 3:06:46 PM

get a quad - forget what other says
get an i7 it is amzingly fast - people just do not understand mem bandwidth

i just shipped a 4.2ghz air cooled system, it runs 3.8ghz on air with all four cores (synth 8) max

it is so fast, on 64bit it just rips though program installs

December 27, 2008 3:11:15 PM

the problem is i have a budget. or an i7 would have been in my newegg cart already.

December 27, 2008 3:13:34 PM

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December 27, 2008 3:22:05 PM

If all you play is wow you should try lowering the shadow settings. Lich added a lot shadows which combined with spell effects can really tax a GPU. If you can live with medium shadow and spell detail, then I'd wait till you have the cash for a core i7 build.
December 27, 2008 3:23:26 PM

+1 i7, tax time is as early as next month, wait for your rebate, or government stimulus.
December 27, 2008 3:25:51 PM

if i were to build a intel system now could i upgrade just the CPU to an I7 in 6months to a year when i7s come down in price?
December 27, 2008 3:32:29 PM

No. You need a socket 1366 mobo and DDR3 memory.
December 27, 2008 3:35:53 PM

i just cant see myself spending $1000 to build a computer anywhere in the near future.
December 27, 2008 3:41:00 PM

This is true but some of us are regular people who have to pay bills and have budgets for everyday life and somtimes we can always afford the best of everything. sorry to burst your bubble.
December 27, 2008 3:41:45 PM

Lumpy thanks for the input.
December 27, 2008 3:42:40 PM

Some of us make a living using our PCs and need the best. It must suck to have a PC just for web surfing.
December 27, 2008 3:43:16 PM

by the time i could afford an I7 somthing else better and more powerful would be out and everyone would be telling me to buy that. and i would be in the same perdictament.
December 27, 2008 3:48:57 PM

I'd go for an E7300 with a P45 and you do need a new video card. Grab a 4850 if budget allows otherwise a 4830 or 9800. The e7xxx's are faster than anything AMD has for similar pricing, and I'm an AMD Fanboi. Overclock to 3.3 - 3.6 and you will have all the fps you need.
December 27, 2008 3:50:32 PM

yes, sadly for me when i dont use my PC to make a living i dont need the best i just need enough to have some fun.

My wife is a full time student and I am a utility worker at a college(not a ton of income for 2 people) therefore i cant afford an I7 nor do i need one for what i do however i do want better performance than im getting out of my single core. 3700+
December 27, 2008 3:54:15 PM

Get a p45 motherboard with a e8400 CPU. OC to 4.0, and you will be amazed compared to what you got.
December 27, 2008 3:55:26 PM

is tyere a particular P45 mobo? when im looking at Newegg there is a lot that come up when i throw p45 in
December 27, 2008 3:57:17 PM

I like the Asus P5Q series. If you grab one of those look me up and I will give you the settings for 4.0.

Also buy the zigmatek s1283 cooler, or similar.
December 27, 2008 4:03:06 PM

what should i look for in a MOBO i want at least 4 ram slots so i can upgrade ram later on. i know i want at least 1PCI-E slot(hopfully 2) anythign else?

December 27, 2008 4:06:31 PM

Get what you want. There are p5q boards with 2 PCI-E slots but they are for crossfire, no SLI and they only run 8x8.

For SLI you need 780i or 790i.

For 16x16 crossfire you need x38, x48.

another good reason for i7, the highend mobos support sli and crossfire.
December 27, 2008 4:07:37 PM

why not wait till deneb comes out and see if the existing Phenom Quad's comes down in price even more. the Phenom 9600 is already $99 at Newegg. That is if you want the one with the TLB. go with this one it is only a few dollars more than the 9750. I'm sure it'll drop in price as well when the new Phenom CPU's comes out.
December 27, 2008 4:11:28 PM

Building a last gen system is sooo smart.If I built My system today insted of late 07 Id save $800. or more.Hell could build two systems for same amount.But I had to have the newest stuff..its an illness really,please help me.
December 27, 2008 4:13:00 PM

if im set on an intel dual core. what MOBO would give me my best options such as overclocking ability, and upgradability for the future.

December 27, 2008 4:23:52 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Get a p45 motherboard with a e8400 CPU. OC to 4.0, and you will be amazed compared to what you got.

i take a q6600 at 3.6ghz over that!

the i7 just blows any core 2 out the water, a 4.6ghz qx9650 rig is a dog next to a 4.2ghz i7

the 920 runs 4.2ghz no problems!
December 27, 2008 4:27:09 PM

tk3445 said:
if im set on an intel dual core. what MOBO would give me my best options such as overclocking ability, and upgradability for the future.

i can not augur with you this E6750 at 3.4ghz mutlitasks great
crysis is no issue with the 8800gts 720mhz

of coarse the raptor raid is key

get a samsung spin point f1 500gb in raid0/raid1 config

make 2 volumes, take 400-500gb and make a raid0 for os and stuff

install vsita then make the raid1 and format in vista

use the raid1 as the backup - one drive dies - pop in new drive, raid1 pops back then remake the raid0 and load the os

p5q pro is great mobo for quads or dual it has no issues with 425fsb rock solid and 8 phase power for a quad

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December 27, 2008 5:02:31 PM

I think the dual-core + P45 is a smart low-cost choice.

When games or applications you use start to really use the 4 cores efficiently, then you can just replace the duo by a quad so you have a short/mid-term CPU upgrade path. You just have to figure-out if you need 2 PCI-E or not as a possible video upgrade path (which might impact your PSU choice as well). I personally prefer single cards, but I plan on replacing it every 12-18 months...
December 27, 2008 6:40:53 PM

go with an e0 an e8400 is fine

7200 is lowly cache - i still take the q6600