Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

lag on my new system build

Last response: in Systems
Share
October 8, 2008 12:31:12 PM

Just finished building this system last week.

Specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon 64X2 +6000 (Dual Core)

Mother Board: M2N-MX SE PLUS (X Series - Says it on the box.)

RAM: 4GBs DDR2(Each One 2GB Stick I know it's un-buffed and ECC not much more i know about it besides it's manufactured by Super talent or something like that).

OS: Windows XP 32bit SP3

Video Card: Sapphire HD 3850 Ultimate(PCI-E) - (ATI Radeon 3850 HD) - 512MB

- Current Heat -
CPU: 118*F
MB: 96*F
GPU/Vid Card: 37*C

- Other -

Idle CPU: 2/5% with firefox, irc, ventrillo, and a heat management software open.
Memory In use: 379MB

HDD: 750GB Sata2 3.0gb/s

Paging File: Disabled

Things done attempting to fix...

I've updated my gfx drivers did nothing.

I've switched to omega's drivers instead had no effect.

I've updated my windows from SP2 to SP3 had no effect.

I've flashed my bios to the latest version had no effect.

I've disabled services, processes what ever else, uninstalled AVG tried running the games with nothing else running and yet still had the issue.

Attempted to remove one stick of the 2gb ram and run off of just 2gbs to see if it had any different effect, but didn't do any thing.

Exchanged graphics card with a new one thinking the hardware was damaged.


The issue:

When attempting to play many different games I experience really great FPS and quality for a short amount of time.

For instance playing Nexiuz I was able to play for a bit on the highest settings but it had a sorta pattern to it every 5/10mins it would drop to 6fps or so for a few seconds then go back up to the high FPS rate.

I was not able to analyze exactly what was going on, on my system as far as memory being used or etc.

But the performance if you saw it for your self is very strange and should not be happening.

I've yet to attempt to play counter-strike again but the time that I tried it pretty much just lagged out.

I attempted to play FlyFF at one point and every so often my CPU would jump to 70/100% from about 63% right at the event of the major FPS lag.

So I opened task manager and look at what was helping the CPU jump up that high and it turned out to be ventrilo closing ventrilo really made no difference, it still lagged and still hit the 100% CPU.

The memory stayed steady around 400/512mb the entire time and never really spiked at all.

But with a game like FlyFF and specs like this I'd never expect it to lag even the slightest bit.

After hopping back into nexiuz I soon learned even the lowest settings could lag out as well.

Any way, so it looks like my CPU is causing but I really don't know and I'm no professional when it comes to hardware/low level things such as software interfacing directly with hardware and finding where the actual conflict would be.

So I found this forum and now asking for help or suggestions.

More about : lag system build

October 8, 2008 8:45:11 PM

Heat related?....does this occur right after you start playing or is it worse the longer the system is on?

Does this only happen in multiplayer---->connection lag issue

PSU....enough HP to run the above (games tax GPU ---> increasing PSU demand) or is it a "crappy" brand?

run memtest program on memory
October 8, 2008 10:58:29 PM

I ran a memtest/Benchmarking application for memory and the results came out clear.

It happens any time I play game and doesn't just get worse I've already tried and looked into it being heat related.

Well the game flyff is a mmorpg.

However Nexiuz I was doing the tests in a single player mode with bots, and yet still got the major FPS drop.

"PSU....enough HP to run the above (games tax GPU ---> increasing PSU demand) or is it a "crappy" brand?"

Not sure what you mean by that.

Any other memtest applications you suggest by the way?

(Addition):

FlyFF I'm pretty sure uses directx
and Nexiuz uses openGL.

So it's not a d3d/opengl only related issue or so it seems.


Edit:

PSU: Cooler Master 750W

CPU-Z Dump:
Processors Map
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of processors 1
Number of threads 2

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0
-- Core 1
-- Thread 0


Processors Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 2 (max 2)
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+
Codename Windsor
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
Package Socket AM2 (940)
CPUID F.3.3
Extended CPUID F.43
Brand ID 4
Core Stepping JH-F3
Technology 90 nm
Core Speed 3013.9 MHz (15.0 x 200.9 MHz)
HT Link speed 1004.6 MHz
Stock frequency 3000 MHz
Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64
L1 Data cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 1024 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
max FID 15.0x
max VID 1.450 V
Features XD, VT
K8 Thermal sensor yes
K8 Revision ID 5.3
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 0
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 1
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 2
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 3


Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge NVIDIA MCP61 rev. A3
Southbridge NVIDIA MCP61 rev. A2
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Channels Single
Memory Frequency 376.7 MHz (CPU/8)
CAS# 5.0
RAS# to CAS# 5
RAS# Precharge 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 24
Command Rate 2T


Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) STT (7F7F7F7F7F7F3400)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number SUPERTALENT01
Manufacturing date Week 12/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200 266 400
CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 5
RAS# Precharge 3 4 5
TRAS 9 12 18
TRC 12 16 23

Dump Module #1
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 80 08 08 0E 0A 61 40 00 05 25 40 00 82 08 00 00
10 0C 08 38 01 02 00 07 3D 50 50 60 32 1E 32 2D 01
20 17 25 05 12 3C 1E 1E 00 36 39 7F 80 14 1E 00 00
30 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 00
40 7F 7F 7F 7F 7F 7F 34 00 01 53 55 50 45 52 54 41
50 4C 45 4E 54 30 31 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 08 12 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
90 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
A0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
B0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
C0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
D0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
E0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
F0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF


Monitoring
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mainboard Model M2N-MX SE Plus (0x41B - 0x759ADCD0)

Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

ITE IT87 hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0 1.47 Volts [0x57] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 4 12.54 Volts [0xC4] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 8 3.04 Volts [0xBE] (VBAT)
Temperature sensor 0 50°C (121°F) [0x32] (TMPIN0)
Temperature sensor 1 37°C (98°F) [0x25] (TMPIN1)
Fan sensor 0 2220 RPM [0x130] (FANIN0)


Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 49°C (120°F) [0x62] (Core #0)
Temperature sensor 1 51°C (123°F) [0x64] (Core #1)

Hardware monitor
-----------------------------------------------------

Radeon HD 3850 (Omega 3.8.442) hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 39°C (102°F) [0x27] (GPU Core)

Dump hardware monitor


PCI Device List
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RAM Memory Controller
bus 0 (0x00), device 0 (0x00), function 0 (0x00)
Common header
Vendor ID 0x10DE
Model ID 0x03EA
Revision ID 0xA1
PI 0x00
SubClass 0x00
BaseClass 0x05
Cache Line 0x00
Latency 0x00
Header 0x00
PCI header
Subvendor ID 0x1043
Subsystem ID 0x8234
Int. Line 0x00
Int. Pin 0x00
Capabilities
HyperTransport Capability
Offset 44h
Revision 1.03
Interface type Slave/Primary
Link 0 width (in/out) 16 bits/16 bits
Link 0 frequency 1000MHz
Link 1 width (in/out) 8 bits/8 bits
Link 1 frequency 200MHz
HyperTransport Capability
Offset DCh
Interface type MSI Mapping

DMI BIOS
--------
vendor American Megatrends Inc.
version 0503
date 03/26/2008

DMI Baseboard
-------------
vendor ASUSTeK Computer INC.
model M2N-MX SE Plus
revision Rev x.xx
serial MF7088G00710375

DMI Processor
-------------
manufacturer AMD
model AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
clock speed 3000.0 MHz
FSB speed 200.0 MHz
multiplier 15.0x


DMI Memory Controller
---------------------
correction 64-bit ECC
Max module size 2048 MBytes


DMI Memory Module
-----------------
designation DIMM0
size 2048 MBytes (double bank)


DMI Memory Module
-----------------
designation DIMM1
DMI Physical Memory Array
-------------------------
location Motherboard
usage System Memory
correction None
max capacity 4096 MBytes
max# of devices 2


DMI Memory Device
-----------------
designation DIMM0
format DIMM
type unknown
total width 64 bits
data width 64 bits
size 2048 MBytes


DMI Memory Device
-----------------
designation DIMM1
format DIMM
type unknown


Software
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
DirectX Version 9.0c

Related resources
April 2, 2009 10:31:45 PM

I have the same board and found a solution on the AMD forums. Turns out these boards have fairly low end, heat sensitive votlage regulators. I had the same problem you described above and was able to fix it by placing a fan over top the voltage regulators for the CPU; no more lag spikes, even at max graphics in ET:QW.

Here's the link to the article --> http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&th...

Hope that helps you out!



*Edit*

I noticed you're using the 6000+, if you've got the 89W version then you're probably maxing out the voltage regulators and may need to add heatsinks, it can be tricky but is definitely doable.

I'm running the 65W 5200+ and experienced the same problem, so keep in mind you may be taxing your mobo to the peak of, or possibly beyond, it's limits.

If you've got the 125W version then I'm actually shocked that it works at all and definitely recommend both heatsinks and a fan. It might be worth it to heatsink the memory voltage regs too.


-Rob
April 3, 2009 8:33:24 AM

I actually forgot to update this but it was actually that my processor was a test chip...

But running a phenom tripple core I've got no problems now.
!