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a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2010 1:44:30 AM

So I've only started learning about how to overclock the bus speed and this is the result of testing my highest stable bus speed:

I was able to go up to 347mhz with my Phenom II x4 955 and MSI 790FX-70GD (1.8v BIOS).

Max OC: 347mhz x 11.5, DDR3 RAM set at 1:2 (normally 800, which is OCed to 1388) with 6-6-6-18-24 1T timings. NB/HT Link multipliers are at 7x.




Max UC: 347mhz x 4, DDR3 RAM set at 1:2 (normally 800, which is OCed to 1388) with 6-6-6-18-24 1T timings. NB/HT Link multipliers are at 7x.




The screenshots are my load temps/voltages. One thing I did notice was that my Floating Point Computation performance went down the drain, though I didn't see a difference when using applications.

Has anyone done this kind of testing before and if so, how high can you go? Please include specs,settings, and pictures.

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a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2010 3:14:30 AM

The highest ive ever gotton on my fsb was 620 mhz. That was with an e8500cooled with dry ice and a Rampage extreme mobo thats NB was cooled with dice. That was oneof the funner benching runs ive done.
Cant include pics now as i am on my ipod, but when i get on my pc ill upload some pics.

EDIT:
pics...

This was my first run with a 780i:




^ that is the mosfet heat sink.... frozen solid.


^ learned how to insulate alot better after this.

Then i did a few runs with the rampage extreme...cant find pics though...

Then i got my classified and didn't have a lot of ln2 so i could only due a real real quick run.


^inside the pot

Full system:


I only had enough ln2 to bring it down to ~-50c so it wasnt the best run. I did get my i7 to 4.65ghz on stock volts though. [:lectrocrew:6]
a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2010 3:25:22 AM

That's a great OC, although I was hoping to stick to air cooled rigs/AMD chips. :p 

I'd like to see pics though, it's always cool to see extreme cooling.
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a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2010 4:31:51 AM

Try gaming. I'm curious about the effects of your FP performance going "down the drain"
a b K Overclocking
January 25, 2010 12:04:00 PM

Well I have and you're right. Except the only thing I did notice was my load temps for a 4ghz OC going down the drain by 6°C.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 12:47:34 AM

Hey Kokin =)

I need your help....

I just got this Crosshair III like 2 weeks ago. I have tinkered with a few AMD/AM2+ boards but all of them had Nvidia chipsets ex: 760/780a/980a ... These are VERY easy to overclock and fairly stable. I got my last 780a to do 4Ghz with an x2 550be (my current quad x4 B50) and it ran like a champ.... Once it was time to unlock I wanted to see how far I can push this CPU knowing that I would be using DDR3 and a nice overclocking board. This dam board has more voltages then anything I have seen before, so my question is :

What are you using for :

CPU/NB frequency
HT Link Speed
HT voltage
NB voltage

And how did you get your ram at 1:2 ?

I will reboot and take a pic of my Bios in a few minutes, I just want to make sure I have more or less the correct voltages and values to get it as stable as possible. Anything over 4Ghz is unstable, I can't expect much from this 99.99$ CPU but i might be able to understand these values better and in turn make the comp more stable.

Anyways here is a screen-shot of my first attempt to lower the timings and frequency, so far so good...

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/new-2....












if you can answer these questions I will send you a gift.. lol... no joke [:jaydeejohn:5]
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 1:55:50 AM

OvrClkr said:
Hey Kokin =)

I need your help....

I just got this Crosshair III like 2 weeks ago. I have tinkered with a few AMD/AM2+ boards but all of them had Nvidia chipsets ex: 760/780a/980a ... These are VERY easy to overclock and fairly stable. I got my last 780a to do 4Ghz with an x2 550be (my current quad x4 B50) and it ran like a champ.... Once it was time to unlock I wanted to see how far I can push this CPU knowing that I would be using DDR3 and a nice overclocking board. This dam board has more voltages then anything I have seen before, so my question is :

What are you using for :

CPU/NB frequency
HT Link Speed
HT voltage
NB voltage

And how did you get your ram at 1:2 ?

I will reboot and take a pic of my Bios in a few minutes, I just want to make sure I have more or less the correct voltages and values to get it as stable as possible. Anything over 4Ghz is unstable, I can't expect much from this 99.99$ CPU but i might be able to understand these values better and in turn make the comp more stable.

Anyways here is a screen-shot of my first attempt to lower the timings and frequency, so far so good...

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/new-2....

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/new-2.png

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/001.jpg

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/002.jpg

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/003-1.jpg

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/004.jpg


if you can answer these questions I will send you a gift.. lol... no joke [:jaydeejohn:5]

Hi OvrClkr :]

Alright, so most of your settings look good. From my screenshot, my NB-CPU and HT Link speed are 2429 (this is my 347FSB with a 7x multiplier for both). I have CoolnQuiet disabled as well as the C1E setting.

I use:

CPU-NB voltage of 1.25V,
NB voltage of 1.25V,
DRAM voltage of 1.85V,
HT Link voltage of 1.25V,

I'm not familiar with your BIOS, so I'm not sure how you can set your RAM dividers to a 1:2 ratio, but I'll reboot as well and take pictures of my BIOS.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 2:00:02 AM

Sweet :) 

Going to lower the multi and raise the FSB.... brb
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 2:14:09 AM

I would advise to loosen RAM timings as you raise your FSB as well. brbs will post pictures after dinner and I'll do the benchmarking of Vantage as well. I fell asleep last night before I had the chance to do it.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 2:50:54 AM

More FSB....

Was playing MW2 with these settings :



still can't find a way to lower the FSB : DRAM ratio :( 
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 3:05:20 AM

Here are the pictures. I apologize if some parts are blurry as I only used my phone to take the pictures and I don't have the steadiest of hands. I also made a mistake in my earlier post and I use a RAM voltage of 1.95V, not 1.85V, although I recall 1.9V works just as well with 6-6-6-16-22 timings.

I suggest you increase FSB by 10-20 each increase, keep the CPU-NB/HT Link as close as possible to 2000mhz using the multipliers, keep the RAM timings loose (like CAS 8 or 9), and when you find your highest FSB (I consider stable by being able to boot with it and doing gaming), then you can start increasing the CPU-NB/HT Link multipliers as high as you can (anything past 2600mhz CPU-NB/HT Link doesn't boot for me) and also lowering your RAM timings down to CAS 6.

This is my "Cell Menu":




Advance DRAM Configuration:



I wasn't able to hit past 4.0ghz since having an FSB of 348mhz caused no boot/POST, but I can forgive 10mhz. I also can't seem to get 4.0ghz Prime95 stable, even if I raise my CPU voltage past 1.55V(even tried going as high as 1.65V for about 30mins of testing). I haven't had any stability problems despite being unable to get Prime95 to be stable, so I'll let it slide.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 3:12:04 AM

OvrClkr said:
More FSB....

Was playing MW2 with these settings :

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/newer-1.png

still can't find a way to lower the FSB : DRAM ratio :( 

3:10 ratio is still fine, but as you start getting close to 800mhz, you might want to loosen your timings to 7-7-7-20-27. I'll go google up how to change the FSB:D RAM ratio for your mobo.

Alright, so to change to the 1:2 ratio, go to the Extreme Tweaker tab, go down to the DRAM frequency and move it to the lowest frequency (should be the top setting, right under AUTO), this enables you to lower your RAM timings.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 3:35:07 AM

overshocked said:
The highest ive ever gotton on my fsb was 620 mhz. That was with an e8500cooled with dry ice and a Rampage extreme mobo thats NB was cooled with dice. That was oneof the funner benching runs ive done.
Cant include pics now as i am on my ipod, but when i get on my pc ill upload some pics.

EDIT:
pics...

This was my first run with a 780i:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4198/1000900.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4529/1000920z.jpg
^ that is the mosfet heat sink.... frozen solid.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9841/1000907t.jpg
^ learned how to insulate alot better after this.

Then i did a few runs with the rampage extreme...cant find pics though...

Then i got my classified and didn't have a lot of ln2 so i could only due a real real quick run.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1603/1001371.jpg
^inside the pot

Full system:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/207/1001381.jpg

I only had enough ln2 to bring it down to ~-50c so it wasnt the best run. I did get my i7 to 4.65ghz on stock volts though. [:lectrocrew:6]

Wow stock voltage. :pt1cable: 
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 1:33:48 PM

kokin said:
3:10 ratio is still fine, but as you start getting close to 800mhz, you might want to loosen your timings to 7-7-7-20-27. I'll go google up how to change the FSB:D RAM ratio for your mobo.

Alright, so to change to the 1:2 ratio, go to the Extreme Tweaker tab, go down to the DRAM frequency and move it to the lowest frequency (should be the top setting, right under AUTO), this enables you to lower your RAM timings.


Thank you....

Fell asleep last night right after I took the last screenie. Anyways once i get home today I will continue to adjust the values till I get 1:2 ratio :)  ....

I see you have Mushkin 1600Mhz .... Not sure if they are the same sticks that I have, here is what I am running ATM :

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 1:41:19 PM

kokin said:
Here are the pictures. I apologize if some parts are blurry as I only used my phone to take the pictures and I don't have the steadiest of hands. I also made a mistake in my earlier post and I use a RAM voltage of 1.95V, not 1.85V, although I recall 1.9V works just as well with 6-6-6-16-22 timings.

I suggest you increase FSB by 10-20 each increase, keep the CPU-NB/HT Link as close as possible to 2000mhz using the multipliers, keep the RAM timings loose (like CAS 8 or 9), and when you find your highest FSB (I consider stable by being able to boot with it and doing gaming), then you can start increasing the CPU-NB/HT Link multipliers as high as you can (anything past 2600mhz CPU-NB/HT Link doesn't boot for me) and also lowering your RAM timings down to CAS 6.

This is my "Cell Menu":
http://i47.tinypic.com/20718rb.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/n6q2a9.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/35iu9lz.jpg

Advance DRAM Configuration:
http://i47.tinypic.com/w8n8g7.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/3ebdl.jpg

I wasn't able to hit past 4.0ghz since having an FSB of 348mhz caused no boot/POST, but I can forgive 10mhz. I also can't seem to get 4.0ghz Prime95 stable, even if I raise my CPU voltage past 1.55V(even tried going as high as 1.65V for about 30mins of testing). I haven't had any stability problems despite being unable to get Prime95 to be stable, so I'll let it slide.


Seems like your cell phone has a sweet camera, they are not blurry at all [:jaydeejohn:5] .....

Anyways have you tried overclocking your 955 just by raising the multi? Some chips like multi only, some like multi or FSB and some like FSB only, it all depends...

I also see that you leave your SBv and a few other values on AUTO, does that work fine for you?
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 1:46:08 PM

overshocked said:
The highest ive ever gotton on my fsb was 620 mhz. That was with an e8500cooled with dry ice and a Rampage extreme mobo thats NB was cooled with dice. That was oneof the funner benching runs ive done.
Cant include pics now as i am on my ipod, but when i get on my pc ill upload some pics.

EDIT:
pics...

This was my first run with a 780i:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4198/1000900.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4529/1000920z.jpg
^ that is the mosfet heat sink.... frozen solid.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9841/1000907t.jpg
^ learned how to insulate alot better after this.

Then i did a few runs with the rampage extreme...cant find pics though...

Then i got my classified and didn't have a lot of ln2 so i could only due a real real quick run.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1603/1001371.jpg
^inside the pot

Full system:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/207/1001381.jpg

I only had enough ln2 to bring it down to ~-50c so it wasnt the best run. I did get my i7 to 4.65ghz on stock volts though. [:lectrocrew:6]


We all need to team up and have a LAN/GAMING/BENCHING party, i would love to see your classified in action [:lectrocrew:6]
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 5:51:06 PM

OvrClkr said:
We all need to team up and have a LAN/GAMING/BENCHING party, i would love to see your classified in action [:lectrocrew:6]


I would love to M8! Not sure we can do it at my house though.

Mebe yours? Besides, your the halfway point if xtc wanted to come, correct?

I need to get some new pots first. Just finished selling everything but my NB pot. My old ones didnt have much base mass, so there were some problems there. Need to finish regassing my phase aswell, so maybe we can do phase on the GPU and ln2 on the CPU. Unless i get some GPU pots. [:lectrocrew:6]
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 6:03:23 PM

We can use my garage for the party and you guys can stay over for the weekend if you want. Problem is that xtc is always busy and he barely has time to do anything =(
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 6:07:53 PM

OvrClkr said:
We can use my garage for the party and you guys can stay over for the weekend if you want. Problem is that xtc is always busy and he barely has time to do anything =(


True that, mebe he'll take some days off soon, i never see him online any more. In the summer he was on all the time... :( 

Who else might come?

I think we need some more dewars as well, i only have my 30l dewar. Thats enough for mebe benching 2 chips, unless we make them fast.
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 6:20:40 PM

Would be nice to see if kokin lives near by =) .... We need all the people we can get.....
a b K Overclocking
January 27, 2010 6:43:47 PM

Yeah, pm him.

If we were to do this, we would need some people from the LN2 section on OCN, so we can get more dewars and pots. (=

There might be some people on XS that would join, but most of them are into corporate events.
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 12:09:36 AM

The above clock is as high as I can go, 4.025Ghz is unstable.....

Im ok with that =)

With the bus at 200 i can go a bit higher but not stable enough for a bench....
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 4:30:31 AM

I live in the Bay Area in California, how about you guys?

We do use the same RAM sticks OvrClkr(congrats on your successful OC!), did you put them on the outer-most slots away from the CPU? In the meantime, I was able to improve my RAM's timings to 6-5-5-15-20 with no changes to my previous pictures, aside from the timings. I've tried setting my CAS to 5, but I get no boot and I don't wanna overvolt my RAM sticks past their rated voltages.



a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 4:42:10 AM

kokin said:
I live in the Bay Area in California, how about you guys?

We do use the same RAM sticks OvrClkr(congrats on your successful OC!), did you put them on the outer-most slots away from the CPU? In the meantime, I was able to improve my RAM's timings to 6-5-5-15-20 with no changes to my previous pictures, aside from the timings. I've tried setting my CAS to 5, but I get no boot and I don't wanna overvolt my RAM sticks past their rated voltages.

http://i45.tinypic.com/16ith82.jpg


How did you know?

Yea my ram is on the right... The CPU cooler is massive :



i live in Keller, TX .... about 22hrs away from you...heh

here is a better pic...

all fans on HIGH :





1.4v is all that it needs @ 3.8Ghz ;) 
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 4:57:47 AM

OvrClkr said:
Thank you....

Fell asleep last night right after I took the last screenie. Anyways once i get home today I will continue to adjust the values till I get 1:2 ratio :)  ....

I see you have Mushkin 1600Mhz .... Not sure if they are the same sticks that I have, here is what I am running ATM :

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is how I know. :p 

I do keep all my other voltages on Auto and they work fine for me.
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 5:05:53 AM

No not that... how did you know that I put them on the outer-most slots away from the CPU???
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 5:26:29 AM

Oh. I'm simply psychic. Jk! [:bohleyk:1]

When I was looking at reviews and forum posts before I built my computer, I saw a lot of recommendations to put the first two sticks of RAM on the outer-most slots, since those were the most stable and would OC the best. I've never tried to use the inner-most slots, but I can't complain when I'm reaching DDR2 speeds with DDR3 RAM. [:bohleyk:2]

I'm gonna try putting my 4890 on my other 16x slot and try a vertical airflow with my HSF.

Here's pics of my current config:



As you can see I really like having blue and black as part of my tech stuff. :lol: 
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 5:33:36 AM

Nice, very nice....

What are your LOAD temps?
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 5:53:55 AM

hehe...ever since i put together my benching tray the idea of cases just seems obsolete.

How can you guys do it? I hated messing with air flow and such, with a tray, all you do is throw down the mobo and slap a video card on there and you have temps several degrees colder than when in a case.
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 6:25:27 AM

I don't use a tray cause I don't need one, of course if there was some extreme cooling going on then you would have to opt for a tray cause there is no other way.... Until I get a Pot and some friends to come over I don't see a need for a tray =) Plus I have a 6 year old girl that LOVES to touch EVERYTHING... so a tray is out of the question for now =)

Some people don't even have a tray, lol they just leave their board on top of a table, I have seen a few pics here n there where people just throw the board on top of a table full of garbage... :lol: 
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 6:47:25 AM

Yeah, i see your point. But for me it is totally worth it. Its not like a bench all the time or anything, its just so much easier not having to deal with cases when you have phase changes and cascades being screwed down every other day.

I used to bench on top of the motherboard box :D  id just buy the board and when it arrived pull it out of the box, set it on top then start benching lol. Bad habit though, things get damaged after a while like that.
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 7:46:33 AM

Here is my new config:



I'm new to computers and have only started reading and learning about them since the summer, so I prefer cases over a tray build. Maybe in the future, I might convert. ;) 
a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2010 3:21:59 PM

and I thought my cooler was big.....

the top exhaust fan on the 902 is pretty sweet...

a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2010 5:02:00 AM

Haha, it is big.. mine is just massive! I wish I could mount it, so the longer length is horizontal, instead of vertical.

The "Big Boy" does wonders, it's so strong that I can only leave it at medium settings, otherwise it ends up making my temps go up because it exhausts more cool air than what goes in.
a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2010 5:16:46 AM

My top 140mm pushes 65cfm at 1k RPM (super silent), but the other 3 120mm run at a constant 2k RPM.... the airflow is near perfect....Now the CPU fan on the other hand is not silent at LOAD but I like noise so it's all good....






a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2010 5:28:43 AM

At top speed, the 200mm pushes 134 CFM... it's pretty loud too. Medium settings push about 108 CFM and is almost as quiet as low settings (82 CFM).
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 2:56:08 AM

I like the 902, but I like it nice and simple. I liked the colors and it performs better and quieter. The nice thing I liked was that the interior and back were already painted black and I didn't have to go out of my way to change the interior. :D 

More people prefer getting the HAF 932, since it offers much more space. In terms of performance, it's more on the louder side, but it's about the same with Antec 902.
January 30, 2010 2:59:54 AM

overshocked said:
The highest ive ever gotton on my fsb was 620 mhz. That was with an e8500cooled with dry ice and a Rampage extreme mobo thats NB was cooled with dice. That was oneof the funner benching runs ive done.
Cant include pics now as i am on my ipod, but when i get on my pc ill upload some pics.

EDIT:
pics...

This was my first run with a 780i:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4198/1000900.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4529/1000920z.jpg
^ that is the mosfet heat sink.... frozen solid.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9841/1000907t.jpg
^ learned how to insulate alot better after this.

Then i did a few runs with the rampage extreme...cant find pics though...

Then i got my classified and didn't have a lot of ln2 so i could only due a real real quick run.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1603/1001371.jpg
^inside the pot

Full system:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/207/1001381.jpg

I only had enough ln2 to bring it down to ~-50c so it wasnt the best run. I did get my i7 to 4.65ghz on stock volts though. [:lectrocrew:6]



that is so awesome.
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 6:09:52 PM

OvrClkr said:
yep, im debating over :

902

or

Haf 932 LE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



WOW dude! That 932 is wicked...i dont really like the 932, i own one and there are some problems with it, like the edges are all really sharp and the door is flimsy and bends easily.
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 6:10:34 PM

adamh9 said:
that is so awesome.

Thanks m8 [:mousemonkey:4]
January 30, 2010 9:09:44 PM

overshocked said:
Thanks m8 [:mousemonkey:4]




no probs.JEALOUS!how long will a dry ice setup like that last? do you have to constantly change the ice? or do you just do this temporarily for benching purposes?
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 10:25:43 PM

It is just for short term benching sessions. You can get about -50c on an i7 with dice.

When im benching i usually go for about 8 hours and use 10-12lbs of the stuff. I can get it pretty cheap so that's not a problem. Shamino (from XS) made a unit that dispensed DICE into the pot, but it would still get way to expensive for a 24/7 setup.

For a 24/7 sub 0 setup look into phase change, or even cascades. You can have a cascade run at ~-70 to -80c 24/7. Beyond about -80c the oil in a cascade will start to freeze so you cant leave them running 24/7. But you can do short term benching with more complicated cascades down to -150 (4 stage cascade).
The biggest cascade that has ever been made is a 5 stage cascade and it got down to -180c.

A single stage phase change unit (SS) will pull -20c load with an i7.


Using ln2 you can get to -196c with no load, loaded about -180c.
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 10:31:20 PM

This is my phase change. At the moment it needs regassing so that i can use it with my i7.






^ you pretty much just screw that down to the cpu, and insulate that tube that goes up to the compressor.


Sorry to jack your thread man...
a b K Overclocking
January 30, 2010 11:31:54 PM

kokin said:
I like the 902, but I like it nice and simple. I liked the colors and it performs better and quieter. The nice thing I liked was that the interior and back were already painted black and I didn't have to go out of my way to change the interior. :D 

More people prefer getting the HAF 932, since it offers much more space. In terms of performance, it's more on the louder side, but it's about the same with Antec 902.


yea, pretty much set on the 902 with this window-mod :

a b K Overclocking
January 31, 2010 12:18:36 AM

Yeah man, thats what id do.
January 31, 2010 12:21:52 AM

overshocked said:
This is my phase change. At the moment it needs regassing so that i can use it with my i7.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3182/1000792d.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1461/1000790x.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3706/1000789.jpg
^ you pretty much just screw that down to the cpu, and insulate that tube that goes up to the compressor.


Sorry to jack your thread man...



man I gotta say I love these forums, glad I joined! Never knew stuff like this was possible. I mean I knew of modding, but never had thoughts of doing some experimenting like this, and not even needing a case to do it in =). Thank you for broadening my horizon!
a b K Overclocking
January 31, 2010 1:19:16 AM

HEHE ive never really cared about the noise coming from my pc. But ive many times considered putting some of that stuff in my case because it looks like carpeting.
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