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October 11, 2008 5:33:30 AM

Reason for this build... I just built a $1000 rig 3 weeks ago (e8400, 4gb, 4870 etc) but now my wife uses it all the time to edit pics with CS3! So I need something for photo editing and cheap. Under $550, $450 would be better!

E7200 2.53ghz - $120-$20 combo=$100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Combo'd with
BIOSTAR TForce P43 $80 (not idea about this one, just wanted the combo savings)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 9800 GT - $110-$30 combo = $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
combo'd with
Antec NeoPower 550 - $64 after promo code (got it because of combo with GPU and promo savings)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mushkin 4GB 800 - $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung Lightsribe buner - $25 (got two of these for my recent build, so might just take the 2nd one)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

WD 640gb - $75 (Have 250gb IDE, wouldn't that work fine?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case is Antec 300 from buy.com for $52 shipped

Total is just under $550

Questions:
1)Is that mobo going to work okay? What about this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2)I love the deal I got with the 9800GT, but is that PSU good? Reviews arn't too appealing...

3)I have a 250gb IDE that is probably 2 yrs old - works fine - besides capacity, how much difference would I notice? Meaning saving the $75...

4)I got two bunners with my recent rig, how often do you use two? Should I just swap it to this one? Could cut more than $100 off price!

Anything else?

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October 11, 2008 5:45:37 AM

Good cpu, drop the biostar mobo and do the gigabyte brand.

Drop the psu and go with this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Drop the extra dvd drive and use the second one u bought if u need to cut corners to upgrade to the psu.

The IDE hard drive will be fine.

This will be a solid setup...
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October 11, 2008 6:03:48 AM

I've always had good luck with Biostar motherboards, personally i'd keep it at that price. You really don't need more than a 450w power supply with that GPU. I'd also keep the IDE HD you have, you might want to get an external some time in the future for photos, but probably no rush. The antec PSU would be fine.
October 11, 2008 6:15:47 AM

Anyone else? What about the above post of mine? Is that PSU and RAM still good? It's a killer deal at $103 total after combo and rebates!
October 11, 2008 7:08:12 AM

dirtmountain said:
I've always had good luck with Biostar motherboards, personally i'd keep it at that price. You really don't need more than a 450w power supply with that GPU. I'd also keep the IDE HD you have, you might want to get an external some time in the future for photos, but probably no rush. The antec PSU would be fine.

I haven't had any issues with Biostar mobo's either. Their TForce series is designed for the enthusiast. These are the ones that I'd recommend over their vanilla flavored ones (non-TForce series). I think his original build is better than getting the PCP&C 610w PSU one. The PCP&C PSU is good, but the Antec NeoHE is a very good PSU too. I'd stick with your original build and call it a day!! Just make sure your going to use Vista 64bit OS, so you can take advantage of the 4gb's of RAM.
October 11, 2008 7:58:01 AM

If this is for photo editing this is complete overkill, save yourself some money and get a Athlon X2 or Pentium(E series) and a 3850, youre pretty much building a whole nother gaming rig
October 11, 2008 8:20:29 AM

So what would you suggest then?
October 11, 2008 9:22:36 AM

mazda6_stealth said:
So what would you suggest then?

For your budget you have a good mainstream gaming system. I wouldn't worry about being over spec'd. I wouldn't worry too much about DeafB4Dishonor opinion. If you want to cut the budget you can, but I think your original build is just fine. It'll leave you room to upgrade later too, so don't fret on it too much.
October 11, 2008 9:35:06 AM

Unless your wife plays games on the computer you could just go with integrated graphics which is fine for photo editing. Gigabyte G31 is a good choice at $53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
also the E5200 at $84 instead of the E7200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
power supply it's tough to beat the 430w antec earthwatts right now, 80% efficiency for $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
same case, RAM and HD
Good build, but it was overkill for what your wife would be using it for. You still having the option of adding a graphic card in the future (the 430w earthwatts would handle a 9800GT), or overclocking.

the changes with integrated graphics, E5200, different power supply would save over $200 (most from deleting the graphic card)
October 11, 2008 11:23:07 AM

dirtmountain said:
Unless your wife plays games on the computer you could just go with integrated graphics which is fine for photo editing. Gigabyte G31 is a good choice at $53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
also the E5200 at $84 instead of the E7200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
power supply it's tough to beat the 430w antec earthwatts right now, 80% efficiency for $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
same case, RAM and HD
Good build, but it was overkill for what your wife would be using it for. You still having the option of adding a graphic card in the future (the 430w earthwatts would handle a 9800GT), or overclocking.

the changes with integrated graphics, E5200, different power supply would save over $200 (most from deleting the graphic card)


The problem with the G31 is that I don't know if it supports OCing....
Even for many office tasks, its nice to be able to crank your CPU up.

However I agree that there is not any need for a high end GPU. (Actually a Negative for a non-gaming system. Heat/Noise)
I agree the 430w Antec is a good PSU, Good Price, and Plenty of a good GPU later.
And you can save cash with the E5200, especially if you crank it up to the Mid 3s.
October 11, 2008 12:29:19 PM

I agree with everyone else if your goal is to get another pc up and running to use for basic use. I was under the impression your wife took over your other new rig and you wanted another gaming type rig for yourself but on a lower budget than the 1st one.

If you want a more basic pc then do as others suggested. I personally havent used Biostar that much generally due to the ones that I usually see in my local store is the low grade ones. I do think Gigabyte is a better brand than Biostar and was suggesting it as a basis for a more solid and stable build.

The psu I suggested ends up being 79.99 and is overkill for you now but should handle future upgrades for a longer period of time than the 430 watt psu. If you dont care about that and keeping it on the cheap is more important than longevity then get the 430 watt at 40.00.

Maybe I misunderstood your need for this pc. Did I?...
October 11, 2008 3:30:12 PM

You guys really think he is overclocking? Come on now...

Your 250 GB IDE Drive and pre-existing burners will be just fine for you. You can use them in your new system no problem, you will just get slightly slower access times on the hard drive.

Here is a good motherboard ($60):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case and 500w PSU ($100 minus rebate):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU ($85):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory ($40):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: ($285 minus rebates and any combo savings)

This is good enough, you can have Vista Aero (if your into that junk lol), and will be good for day-to-day use.

If you want gaming I recommend this ($150 minus rebate):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That GPU will be a little bottlenecked but will still play most modern games with decent FPS.

October 11, 2008 5:04:54 PM

If you wanted a system that is not OC'able, you can't beat this Dell.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=34929...

Sell the Monitor if you don't need it and the price of the system drops to about $280. Sell your old copy of XP that you were going to use for the build and drop the cost to $200. Sell your old HDD, Burner, Keyboard, Mouse, etc... and the price is now down to about $150.

October 11, 2008 6:08:41 PM

Yeah on that budget I'd go AMD. The power supply you originally picked out is fine. I would just swap the motherboard and cpu with the following.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ $66
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI K9A2 Neo-F AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- $15 combo savings.

That should be more than enough to do a little photo editing. My setup is more than enough to run CS3. My older Athlon 3000 even runs it adequately. You could also spend a little more and go with the 6000+ for $84 with the same combo savings

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 11, 2008 6:45:24 PM

How does that AMD compare to the e5200? What are the capabilities of that mobo?

You are all correct in assuming that it's just for my wife so she doesn't use my comp :)  Although I might want to option of adding a nice GPU so that when some friends come over, we can still play a game or two. Currently I only play COD4, and really only on the weekends because of work. Are there any mobo's with onboard video that would run COD4 alright and still be cheap? Also, I will probably only be runnning a 32bit os, should I get 4gb and just lose 1gb, or should I just get 2gb?
I am not planning on OCing now, but would like the option in the future.
October 12, 2008 2:52:47 AM

That ram is good and cheap too and it makes it a sweet deal. Stay with 2gigs so your system will run the memory in dual channel mode. An odd amount of ram will cause it to run in single channel mode.

I saw on somewhere, maybe tigerdirect, they had the AMD 6000+x2 for 79.99. Thats a nice cpu and very cheap. That will get you 3ghz at stock so no need to OC.

Theres a lot of good suggestions here and most any of them should work fine for what you are doing. Just try and narrow it down for the most bang for the buck and go for it...
October 12, 2008 3:00:47 AM

Well if your only playing COD4 than you could go with some of the onboard chipsets. Than if you want to add an additional GPU later, you can!! If going with an AMD build (which is usually saving $) I'd consider the 780g or 790gx chipset mobo's. The 780g chipset has a AMD3200 GPU onboard and the 790gx has the AMD 3300 GPU onboard. The 790gx has more upgrade room than the 780g, but either will suffice for COD4. You won't have all of the eye candy on with onboard GPU, but you will still be able to play it.
Here's an option to consider:
CPU/Memory combo - $88 shipped!!! AMD x2 5000+ 2.6gHz CPU and G.Skill DDR2 800mHz CAS5 RAM!
4th combo down on the page!!

Mobo - $85 shipped!! One of the better 780g boards out there!!
GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

Case/PSU combo - $82 shipped!! One of the better deals right now on PSU/Case combo. Has a 27A on the 12v rail PSU with >80% efficiency!! Can handle a mild GPU card (only 1 6pin PCI-e power connector).

Add your existing HD's/DVD/CD drives.....
Total $255 shipped!!! Now that should suffice until you get more $ for a GPU upgrade, which could be AMD's 4670, which is about $80 right now. It'll work for just about any game out (of coarse not will all of the eye candy, but you get my point).
October 12, 2008 4:15:05 AM

What is the link for that case/psu combo?
October 12, 2008 4:38:43 AM

is the 5000 faster than the e5200?
October 12, 2008 4:48:29 AM

mazda6_stealth said:
What is the link for that case/psu combo?

Sorry, forgot to double check that I had added that or not.
Antec Solution Series NSK4480B Chassis

Newegg's link for the Antec NSK4480b, has more details than Buy.com's

or for $18 more shipped!!
Get the slight upgrade to the same case, but with a 430w PSU that has 30A on the 12v rails!! If you can afford the $18 more this is a good buy right now!!
Antec NSK6580B Black 0.8mm cold-rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430 Watts 80 PLUS Power Supply - Retail

Than the Antec Sonata III case/PSU combo would be next at $109 shipped. Has 500w PSU w/34A on the 12V rails and 2x6pin PCI-e power connectors.
Antec Sonata III Chassis

Newegg's link for the Antec Sonata III, which is >$40 more than Buy.com's price!!
October 12, 2008 5:01:48 AM

mazda6_stealth said:
is the 5000 faster than the e5200?

No I don't think so. The e5200 is at 2.5 gHz and should outperform the 5000+. I just suggested that chip, because the AMD mobo's with onboard GPU's are much better than the Intel versions. If you want to go with an Intel CPU than the e5200 is a good buy. I'd suggest getting at least the AMD 4670 GPU to go with your mobo and CPU combo. It's a bit overkill for basic stuff, but will allow you to play anything out and it doesn't require an additional PCI-e power connection from your PSU!!! :) 

CPU/Mobo combo - $164 shipped!! e5200 w/Biostar p43 mobo. Has plenty of options and fits the budget too. :) 
3rd combo down from the top!

GPU - $109 - $20 MIR = $89!!! Would recommend with Intel setup or even if you went with the AMD setup (if you wanted to upgrade the onboard GPU on the AMD system).
HIS Hightech H467QT512P Radeon HD 4670 IceQ Turbo 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

Other GPU to consider if you want to upgrade:
$129 - $50 = $79!! Requires 1 x 6pin PCI-e power connector.
EVGA 768-P3-N968-TR GeForce 9600 GSO 768MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
October 12, 2008 5:02:07 AM

Thanks for all the info..
What about this?

E5200 - $84
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ 2gb 800 - $20 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Combo'd with
Intel G35 - $80 after savings and shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This has the x3500 IGP, is that better than the ATI Radeon HD 3200 IGP?

Antec Earthwatts 430W - $47 after shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 300 case - $52
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=207906549&loc...

$273 shipped - $18 more than the AMD build...
October 12, 2008 5:21:03 AM

Like I said before the Intel onboard GPU's just don't stand up to the AMD offerings right now. That mobo you linked has some issues with the analog output from the GPU. Not 100% on this, but that is what some of the reviews have said. It's up to you but if you want to keep it cheap with an Intel mobo/CPU, I'd suggest getting a basic GPU to add to it (4670 like mentioned above). It's up to you, but that is how I see it from my perspective.
The PSU you linked is actually $51 shipped ($40 + 10.87 shipping).
CPU/Memory/PSU/Case is all good. The Antec Sonata III case/PSU combo is better for the PSU than the Antec 300/430w PSU combo you selected, but the Antec 300 Case is very close to the Sonata III case. So it's basically a toss up, IMHO.
October 13, 2008 4:48:28 AM

if your setting your wife up with this one to do editing so u can use the other, you don't need even a 9800gt graphics card, get a cheaper one because if your not doing gaming, it wont make a difference. i do alot of photoshop editing on my mac mini and it runs smooth as can be, and all its got is a core 2 solo cpu, 64mb integrated graphics, and 1gb of ram, and it'll run photoshop smooth as can be at 1680x1050 res.
October 13, 2008 6:55:23 AM

I would get a new PSU. You've lost at least 40% (4x10%/year) of max output due to capacitor aging. Don't set your self up to fail with an old PSU. I know my wife would unload on me if the computer I just built died on her!!! You get my point.
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