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4850 X2 on newegg Canada...508 bones.....

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November 8, 2008 10:57:34 AM

This card is clearly weaker than the 260 GTX 280 GTX in most of the test, yet its min 100$ more...what is up with the pricing? The 4870 X2 was perfect when it came out and still is...4850 is only 100$ less than the 4870 X2 ( you can actually find 4870 X2 for an even better price)

My question is what person would pay 500$ for this card? shouldn't it be around 300$ for it to be atleast competitive to the 280 GTX like the 4870 X2 is?

Opinions PLZ!

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
November 8, 2008 11:19:16 AM
November 8, 2008 11:42:49 AM

I dont know what test you looked at, but the ones I've seen has the 4850x2 outperforming the 280 in most cases.

I think you goofed and compared against the 4850.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1646/1/sapphire_radeon...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/645/1

Both cards are currently overpriced. Nvidia will be in for a hurting after a couple months when the $30-$50 rebates start rolling in for the 4850x2s.

If this card was $300 Nvidia would never sell a 260 or 280 except to a ingnorant fanboy.
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November 8, 2008 11:45:37 AM

Yup, you beat me to it.


L1qu1d, you got powned this time.
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November 8, 2008 12:35:49 PM

the 4850x2 owns the gtx260. where have you been getting your sources????!!!
4850x2 could drop to 300$ since you can find a single 4850 for under 150$ today.
November 8, 2008 12:41:46 PM

The nVidia card playssome things in crysis better, but I don't play that game.
November 8, 2008 1:56:50 PM

Seriously... the 4850 x2 makes me feel dumb about buying the 4870 x2 since it is so close. The GTX 280 can't keep up with it either, even on beta drivers in some of those reviews. Now the thing that sucks is, how long has this card been in development? You think ATI would have had decent support for it with their current drivers, but no...

Edit: About the price, that's Canadian dollars not USD, so the card will be more like $400 here which for a card that slightly outperforms the GTX 280 and has great things like DX 10.1 and all, not to mention when the price drops to around $350 so that ATI can monopolize on that part of the market, it kicks ass!

Compare:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
November 8, 2008 2:05:34 PM

invisik said:
the 4850x2 owns the gtx260. where have you been getting your sources????!!!
4850x2 could drop to 300$ since you can find a single 4850 for under 150$ today.


You do have to keep in mind that this is a HD 4850 X2 2GB card and the price for an HD 4850 1GB is roughly $200, so even though it's not that overpriced from 2x HD 4850 1GB, I still agree it should drop a little.
November 8, 2008 2:11:26 PM

Its launch price it will drop, and it should outperform 2x 4850 1GBs in crossfire. Apparently it even overclocks well, I wonder if they will sell those coolers for 4870 X2s as aftermarket coolers...
November 8, 2008 2:40:32 PM

no this is clearly my fault I meant to say 280 GTX, I never noticed my mistake. In alot of the benchies ( driverheaven, techpower) I saw the 280 GTX come out on top in alot of the benchies.

My mistake for the typo, I left the computer for a while because I'm torrenting on my computer and surfing is sort of impossible at the moment.

Please pardon me

All I'm saying is it's just not to par with the price.

The results are all very mixed up in alot of the benchies I've seen.

ATM 400$ for 280 GTX vs 500 for a 4850 X2, excuse me for saying that so far unless it drops to 300-350 the 4850 X2 is a flop. You can buy 2 4850s and some for 500$$$.

The 4870 X2 still remains the best Power for the money in my opinion.
November 8, 2008 2:44:09 PM

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Liquid, this is clearly a troll thread. Why make it?


Lol, it would have been valid if he didn't throw in the "weaker than gtx260" bit. While technically true in some cases, that's only in older games that doesn't scale with dual gpu. All new graphics intensive games support dual gpu. The old ones that do not already get hundreds of fps anyway. Which mean when it matters, 4850x2 is clearly faster than gtx260.

The core point is valid though. $500+ for a 4850x2 is a bad deal no matter how you measure it, especially when you can get 2 4850s for the same performance at over $100 less, or a 9800gx2 for almost the same performance at $200 less. Single 4850s only use 512mb vram, compared to 1gb per core, but the fact is, 4850 isn't powerful enough to run at the extreme resolutions needed to take advantage of 1gb ram anyway.
November 8, 2008 2:54:02 PM

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Well, the fact is that it does have 1GB so compare it to two 1GB 4850's, i doubt you will find two of those for under 400.


1gb ram offers nothing at resolutions that 99.9% of monitors can handle. :p 
November 8, 2008 2:55:25 PM

$500 is in Canadian. Dont forget the exchange rate. Everything @ Newegg canada, is more then newegg USA.

The same card is $429 USA. Just a tad overpriced, simply because of launch.

It ont be long until it is $399 with $30-$50 rebates, then Nvidia will cry.


The only cards that are overpriced are the 260 and 280. Also Nvidia is supposed to release the 270, 290 soon. Well they better be priced right or it will be the straw that broke the camels back.
November 8, 2008 3:07:51 PM

the 260 GTX is actually reasonably priced, I mean the 280 GTX is horribly price I agree with that, but the 260 GTX can be found for 200$ which 2 of those would burn out the 4850 X2.

Untill the 4850 X2 is around 350$ I for 1 won't be buying it. I'm looking for a new card for my gf's computer so if there are any suggestions:) 

BTW the 4850 X2 is more in canada because of the sudden drop in the Canadian dollar:) 

Just don't make this thread sound like a fanboy shoot out, I'm not on either's team ATM, well actually the only clear winner is 4870 X2(550$) or the 260 GTX (200$)
November 8, 2008 3:15:54 PM

L1qu1d said:
the 260 GTX is actually reasonably priced, I mean the 280 GTX is horribly price I agree with that, but the 260 GTX can be found for 200$ which 2 of those would burn out the 4850 X2.

Untill the 4850 X2 is around 350$ I for 1 won't be buying it. I'm looking for a new card for my gf's computer so if there are any suggestions:) 

BTW the 4850 X2 is more in canada because of the sudden drop in the Canadian dollar:) 

Just don't make this thread sound like a fanboy shoot out, I'm not on either's team ATM, well actually the only clear winner is 4870 X2(550$) or the 260 GTX (200$)


And 9800gx2 for $300 Canadian. :p 
November 8, 2008 3:17:48 PM

oh yeah forgot about that, which shouldn't be THAT much weaker than the 4850 X2, but the extra 512 bandwidth on the 4850 X2 is very likable.
November 8, 2008 3:27:40 PM

L1qu1d said:
oh yeah forgot about that, which shouldn't be THAT much weaker than the 4850 X2, but the extra 512 bandwidth on the 4850 X2 is very likable.


What "extra 512 bandwidth?" It runs on the same 256bit bus plus ddr3.
November 8, 2008 3:32:58 PM

I'm messed up 2day 512 Ram. My god lol. This is what I get for being in Projet Season:) 
November 8, 2008 8:35:22 PM

Ok, first the 4850 X2 tends to beat or tie the GTX 280 across the board. It is running on drivers that do not fully support it, and the price WILL drop soon to about that range. The GTX 280 can be found for $400 at the lowest, and with the 4850 X2 @ $420 at launch that would be about right if you factor the feature/performance in comparison. However, when the 4850 X2 drops to $350 or less in a few weeks after launch the GTX 280 will be having some real problems. I have yet to find ANY GTX 260s at $200, there was a special customer code for one at $210. I can find 4870s at the same price as the lowest GTX 260 on newegg. So I am not sure where you got that from, but would really like to know if it's true! The 4850 X2 is a success in 2 ways:

1) It's price/performance ratio, once it is fully in stock and the price stabilizes you will be able to max out anything on the market for a cool $400 or likely less. I know this because I just built a system for a customer with a E5200 @ 3.5 with 2 4830s in Xfire Oc's to 690 and 2100 (710 and 2200 now though I haven't tested the performance impact) and I could max out every game @ 1920x1200 except the original Crysis. For $400, a card that can do more than that on almost ANY modern motherboard is a definite win!

2) The 4850 X2 is a winner because it fixes a lot of problems I have with dual GPU cards. It is very cool, and pulls less power than its ancestral Xfire configuration would. Can OC very well. Is not a f&%king leaf blower like the 3870 X2 was. It scales better than its ancestral 2 card configuration (The 9800 GX2 got beat by STOCK SLI'd 8800 GTS 512s). While many of these problems were also fixed with the 4870 X2, it shows progress and what ever dual GPU card comes out next, whether it be nVidia or ATI, should be atleast able to meet these precedents.

Where the 4850 X2 fails:

The 4850X2 beats the GTX 280 in some instances and ties in the others. While the 4850 X2 will definitely gain a decent amount of performance with drivers (once ATI gets around to it...) and since the 4850 X2 will be slightly cheaper than the GTX 280, it makes little difference. If I were to own a board that does not possess X16/X16 SLI support I would definitely go for the 4850 X2 over the GTX 280 thanks to features such as DX 10.1, even though the difference is minimal. However, for those who do own SLI capability the GTX 280 is 99% the deal the 4850 X2 is, and will beat the 4850 X2 when you add 2 of each, though maybe not by a great deal. The problem is the 4850 X2 and the GTX 280 are TOO similar and there are very few instances or reason to pick either one, because of this I feel that the 4850 X2 just does not change much. That said, its a nice addition to the line up of great cards on the market today.

To L1qu1d, I suggest buying your girlfriend the 4850 X2 if she does not have a Xfire or SLI motherboard. If she has an SLI motherboard, then definitely get the GTX 280 for the same price or 2 8800 GTS 512s in SLI for less which will beat both 4850 X2 and GTX 280. If she has a crossfire board that even just does X8/X8 then get 2 4830s in Xfire and OC them to 4850 clocks to get great performance at a great price, I benchmarked those cards on an X38 and a P45 and I did not see any difference, I think the lowered shaders are the reason behind that. That is just my opinion, though I think it is nice of you to buy your girlfriend something nice like that, hope she appreciates whatever you get her!
November 8, 2008 10:16:33 PM

Yeah I was leaning towards the 4830, I found 1 for 100$ after MIR, and it performs on par or better than the 9800 GT (8800 GT). So I'm going to get that for her because it will prob be enough for 1280x1024, and she mainly plays the sims games, and star craft 2 when it comes out, and maybe some source here and there, so ATI is right up her alley.

P.S

Personally I would think they should've released 4850 X2 first, and the 4870 X2 after:) , but thats just My opinion:p 
November 8, 2008 10:20:50 PM

OC that 4830 man, if you hit slightly over the stock clocks of a 4850 you will match it in performance. With a good CPU, that card should max out just about anything with a 4850-like card.

Edit: At 1280x1024 I mean.
November 8, 2008 10:24:29 PM

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November 8, 2008 10:26:58 PM

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November 9, 2008 3:58:56 AM

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November 9, 2008 5:38:31 AM

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