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February 1, 2010 7:01:16 PM

HELLO GUYS,

because I am not such an OVERCLOCKER, I hope to be one

I have overclocked my Athlon 630 till 3400 MHZ, if I clock more... the system reboots

i changed the FSB to ~240 and the VOLTAGE was set to automatic... how much i must increase the voltage to clock it more ?

also my RAM memories are KINGSTON @ 1333Mhz(4gb dual channel)

MOB:MSI FX790-GD70
CPU:AMD ATHLON II X4 630
GPU:GYGABITE ATI5850
RAM:KINGSTON 4GB-DUALCHANNEL @ 1333MHZ/HYPERX/CL7


thx...

PS : I HAD A POST BEFORE... you can totally change the VOLTAGE I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH

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February 1, 2010 7:28:22 PM

When the Voltage is on automatic, typically the board will send too much volts to the CPU than is what is really needed, and produces far more heat than would when at the minimum stable solid state voltage values.

A rough guess is that you would need about 1.35-1.425v to stabilize at that clock value , assuming you have the rest of your system adjusted for the raised FSB. Take your highest stable clock, and work with finding a stable, non-auto voltage setting for it. Once you have that, you can start the See-Saw dance of raising the FSB/voltage for stability.

When overclocking a locked multiplier AMD CPU, You have to use the FSB. The problem is that raising the FSB also raises the NorthBridge, HT Link, and memory. Those multipliers need to be adjusted to prevent too high of a frequency in one of those areas causing crashes before you even hit the ceiling on your CPU.

That being said, your crashes may be from your memory being overclocked with the FSB and past its stable limits. Or your Northbirdge/HT Link needs a voltage bump to deal with it's higher frequency, or lowered multipliers to being back closer to stock FSB values. You haven't mentioned here what those values are at, and I won't go digging for another post to answer this one, so these things have to be considered.
February 11, 2010 8:46:50 PM

Yeah dude, you wanna turn off cool 'n quiet as well because that works against overclocking. I had my 630 up to 3.5 and I had my voltages just under 1.14. I think i got it to 1.1375. My RAM's rated for 1200MHz so it was only running at 1000 but that was overvolted as well to about 2.1. You shouldn't raise your volts up just because we're giving you numbers, you wanna do it one at a time and in very slow increments. When you think you've been able to boot up all okay then you get prime95 running for about an hour. If you're computer didnt crash then you need to reduce the voltage(s) until you're just about crashing and then you take it up a notch so that you're not giving your processor more power than what it needs. Don't do anything crazy :p  stay below 1.15volts and keep your temps cool, I have not seen mine over 35 but I bought an aftermarket cooler so think about that. Like the Mang said you wanna be careful you're not stressing out your HT lines as well so make sure that whatever increments your doing to the FSB, you're compensating by bringing down the multipliers on the HT as well.
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February 11, 2010 11:16:58 PM

Ok I have a 630 and I am prime stable at 3.25 with 1.44 max load, (not the best HSF but 4 copper pipes). It was almost stable at 3.5 but i did not want to go to 1.47v max load. (it would do prime about 30-50 minutes). max temp 59c

What cooler you using Dickcruz?
February 12, 2010 12:12:34 AM

Wizardsblade said:
Ok I have a 630 and I am prime stable at 3.25 with 1.44 max load, (not the best HSF but 4 copper pipes). It was almost stable at 3.5 but i did not want to go to 1.47v max load. (it would do prime about 30-50 minutes). max temp 59c

What cooler you using Dickcruz?


I think its called the Hyper 212.. something along those lines. I'm too lazy to google:p  but yeah dude it does the work. Well dude looking at your voltages I think its not your cpu dude it could be your chipset, memory or NB multiplier because I got this one stable at 1.1375 @ 3.5 MHz
February 12, 2010 2:51:01 PM

Can you post maybe how you OCed it?
FSB:
NB Multiplier:
CPU Multiplier:

Those are the ones I am most interested in.
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February 12, 2010 3:15:35 PM

Wizardsblade said:
Ok I have a 630 and I am prime stable at 3.25 with 1.44 max load, (not the best HSF but 4 copper pipes). It was almost stable at 3.5 but i did not want to go to 1.47v max load. (it would do prime about 30-50 minutes). max temp 59c

What cooler you using Dickcruz?


4 copper pipes? 59c?? What cooler are YOU using?

With a decent cooler you should be in the mid/high 40's on LOAD @ 3.5/3.6Ghz
February 12, 2010 4:19:26 PM

Its not decent but better then stock 630. Its the stock 6000+. and 59c was at 1.48v, at 1.44 (current voltage) i still get to 53c or so. Do you think I should reset my HSF? not the best case for cooling either I think its only about 60 cfm out and 30 cfm in (with some side vents).
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February 12, 2010 4:29:39 PM

Wizardsblade said:
Its not decent but better then stock 630. Its the stock 6000+. and 59c was at 1.48v, at 1.44 (current voltage) i still get to 53c or so. Do you think I should reset my HSF? not the best case for cooling either I think its only about 60 cfm out and 30 cfm in (with some side vents).

IMO, having exhaust at surplus out is better than surplus in, where warm air gets to dance around and heat up the rest of the case. Especially if you have a videocard that exhausts any amount of heat into the case, and not just out the back.
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February 12, 2010 4:30:14 PM

Get a real cooler, something like a 212+/CCF etc... Your temps should drop by at least 10c...

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February 12, 2010 5:34:48 PM

get rid of that cooler =)

a decent cooler can be found for 30.00$ or less....
February 12, 2010 5:38:14 PM

What would chip set voltage refer to in BIOS any ideas? I can incearse .3 .6 or .9, I can change CPU voltage other places so I assume its not talking about that. What is the advantage of increasing it? I have it at stock (no increase) would increasing this help me lower my CPU voltage? (xfx 750a)
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February 12, 2010 7:17:49 PM

leave that on AUTO, you wont gain anything by adjusting that value..
February 13, 2010 11:21:51 AM

Ok I just cant seem to go above 3.25ghz here is all my settings any help would be awsome. At current settings it passes prime for 6+ hours.

CPU:athlon II 630
FSB:250
CPU multiplier:13
CPU VID: 1.35v (under load that will raise to 1.40-1.44)
NB multiplier: 8 (2000mhz)
NB VID: 1.175v
Ht Multiplier: 8 (2000mhz)
Ram speed: 832mhz (stock is 800 ddr2) set manually to 333mhz to achieve this.
Ram timming: 5-4-4-15-24 (EEP for 2.1v)
Ram voltage: 2.1v
Temps at current voltage is 30c idle andafter 6 hours or prime 54c.
Motherboard:xfx 750a am2+

Ram seems to be running fine, when I increase multiplier to 13.5 (3.375Gzh), I will BSOD in prime in about 10-20 minutes.
Thanks

Dont wanna hijac this thread Ill start a new one.
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February 13, 2010 9:23:13 PM

Wizardsblade said:
Ok I just cant seem to go above 3.25ghz here is all my settings any help would be awsome. At current settings it passes prime for 6+ hours.

CPU:athlon II 630
FSB:250
CPU multiplier:13
CPU VID: 1.35v (under load that will raise to 1.40-1.44)
NB multiplier: 8 (2000mhz)
NB VID: 1.175v
Ht Multiplier: 8 (2000mhz)
Ram speed: 832mhz (stock is 800 ddr2) set manually to 333mhz to achieve this.
Ram timming: 5-4-4-15-24 (EEP for 2.1v)
Ram voltage: 2.1v
Temps at current voltage is 30c idle andafter 6 hours or prime 54c.
Motherboard:xfx 750a am2+

Ram seems to be running fine, when I increase multiplier to 13.5 (3.375Gzh), I will BSOD in prime in about 10-20 minutes.
Thanks

Dont wanna hijac this thread Ill start a new one.


Raise the CPU vid to 1.4v
Raise the FSB till you hit 3.4Ghz
Raise the NB vid to 1.25v or higher plz..
Change your timings to 5-5-5-15-24 <-- this is must plz..

have fun your PC is running at 3.4Ghz ..... if you want speed you need to apply VOLTAGE =)
February 13, 2010 9:27:05 PM

I still can raise my cpu multiplier .5 and 1 more to make 3.375 and 3.5, would this be better then raising my fsb?

Ill change the ram timmings I was just curious why, The spec for this ram says 5-4-4-15@2.1v
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February 13, 2010 9:54:33 PM

Wizardsblade said:
I still can raise my cpu multiplier .5 and 1 more to make 3.375 and 3.5, would this be better then raising my fsb?

Ill change the ram timmings I was just curious why, The spec for this ram says 5-4-4-15@2.1v


you running a Phenom or Athlon?
February 13, 2010 10:10:12 PM

Athlon II 630 stock 2.8 I am at x13 car go to x14 =)

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February 13, 2010 10:17:50 PM

how are you able to raise the multi if it is locked?
February 13, 2010 10:20:21 PM

Oh I started with a lower multiple, raised my FSB and made sure my ram was stable, then just increased my multile back up (started with 250x 11 so I was just under stock and made my way to a stable 3.25 =). maybe a little backwards from a normal OC but that way I knew its the CPU that was the problem. I can underclock it just cant clock higher then the stock x14 (14x200=2.8Ghz)
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February 13, 2010 10:41:55 PM

ahh, ok...

then raise the FSB till you hit 3.4Ghz like I stated above^^

1.4/1.425v should be more than enough for the CPU...
February 13, 2010 11:06:19 PM

Ok sounds good Ill give it a try. Any particular reason I shouldn't just raise my cpu multiplyer to 13.5 or 14 to get 3.375 or 3.5 respectivly?

EDIT:UPDATE

I increased my voltage to 1.4 (1.48+-.02 load) and it got to 3.375, thanks. temp maxed out at 60c, does this sound like a good OC?
March 2, 2010 12:18:25 PM

I am also in need of OC help. I have a 630 running on a GA-MA770T_UDP3 with the
Bus Speed @230 and my Mushkin Blackline DDR3 1333 10666 @ 1.8v 7-7-7-20 with 1T CR. I am having to change the speed on my Ram to 400MHZ to make stable and can't go above 230 bus mostly because of the RAM. Do you have any suggestions on getting the RAM stable as well as overclocking to 3.5. Ran Prime 95 last night at settings above and no lockup up with the CPU at 56C on stock Cooler and Antec Illusion case fans on high. I know i need an aftermarket cooler and have been looking at Hyper 212 or Scythe Mugen. Cooler wise I want something cool and quiet. ANy suggestions would be helpful.
March 2, 2010 1:05:59 PM

buzzforb said:
I am also in need of OC help. I have a 630 running on a GA-MA770T_UDP3 with the
Bus Speed @230 and my Mushkin Blackline DDR3 1333 10666 @ 1.8v 7-7-7-20 with 1T CR. I am having to change the speed on my Ram to 400MHZ to make stable and can't go above 230 bus mostly because of the RAM. Do you have any suggestions on getting the RAM stable as well as overclocking to 3.5. Ran Prime 95 last night at settings above and no lockup up with the CPU at 56C on stock Cooler and Antec Illusion case fans on high. I know i need an aftermarket cooler and have been looking at Hyper 212 or Scythe Mugen. Cooler wise I want something cool and quiet. ANy suggestions would be helpful.


Memory Divider settings in BIOS will enable you to set the way the ram increases with increase in FSB. Go for the 212 dude, best decision ever. Don't worry about quiet, you don't need the housecat, you need the alleycat
March 2, 2010 1:14:38 PM

Do you have any explanations why i cannot get this ram to clock up to 1333MHZ. This cannot be done even with the CPU at Stock.
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March 2, 2010 1:35:07 PM

buzzforb said:
Do you have any explanations why i cannot get this ram to clock up to 1333MHZ. This cannot be done even with the CPU at Stock.


You need to make sure the DRAM Frequency is at 666 or 667 depending on mobo. You also need to make sure the timings and voltage are set to whatever specified by the manufacturer. Once that is done re-boot and open CPU-Z, you should be running at 1333Mhz.

Dont overclock the CPU (raise the bus) till your ram is 100% stable. Once you are done setting the RAM THEN you can start raising the bus.
March 2, 2010 3:06:32 PM

buzzforb said:
Do you have any explanations why i cannot get this ram to clock up to 1333MHZ. This cannot be done even with the CPU at Stock.


That's because your RAM doesn't physically clock at 1333, its Double Data Rate that works with the rising and falling edges of the clock so you need to make sure its running at 1333/2 MHz
March 2, 2010 3:26:14 PM

The bios with the CPU @ stock bus sets the ram to 9-9-9-30 @1.5v and 2T CR. This setting was completely unstable. Set the ram manually to man. specs. required tmings of 7-7-7-20 @ 1.7v., and speed of DRAM Freq. 666MHz. UNSTABLE!. Changed according to Mushkin Reps advice to 7-7-7-20 @1.8v, 1T CR and speed of DRAM Freq. 666MHz. Unstable. The only thing that made this RAM stable was keeping the settings above with the DRAM Freq. @400MHz instead of 666MHz. I did not try 555Mhz before overclocking cPU to 3.4 GHz with a bus of 230. This was stable all night running Prime95, although the CPU got warm @ 56C, with stock cooler and 4 Antec Illusion fans running full speed.(I will be getting the Hyper 212 soon) I do not think my problem is the stabililty of the CPU. My problem appears to be RAM stability any where close to man. specs. I am suprised by this because this is supposed to be performance Memory. Tried Gigabyte tech support and they don't even have it listed as possibility for ram choice on the initial inquiry. Of course I have not heard from them yet, but it seems this ram is simply incompatible with this motherboard and system. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise.
March 2, 2010 4:07:09 PM

so their specifications say to keep it at 1.8 volts ? because ive never messed with ddr3 ram, im on ddr2 and my ram goes to 2.1 volts on a 5-5-5-15. there's also another variable that needs to be put in, its in your spd settings. So essentially i have mine at 5-5-5-15-24. Its very important that you get that last variable in there too because i had that number at 26 and i couldn't get a decent overclock. You want to get the fan before you overclock anyway dude because my processor has not seen temps over the 35-40 degrees range and its constantly overclocked. Look at what other people are doing with your ram, i got my timings from newegg reviewers that messed with their rams. I don't think the RAM is incompatible because if it were so, your mobo wouldn't have posted..at all. I've had that experience it looks like you're good. Also if your bios doesnt have a memory divider then you wouldn't be able to first get your ram stable and then overclock it because your ram would be governed by your fsb and not your spd settings.
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March 2, 2010 8:43:42 PM

buzzforb said:
The bios with the CPU @ stock bus sets the ram to 9-9-9-30 @1.5v and 2T CR. This setting was completely unstable. Set the ram manually to man. specs. required tmings of 7-7-7-20 @ 1.7v., and speed of DRAM Freq. 666MHz. UNSTABLE!. Changed according to Mushkin Reps advice to 7-7-7-20 @1.8v, 1T CR and speed of DRAM Freq. 666MHz. Unstable. The only thing that made this RAM stable was keeping the settings above with the DRAM Freq. @400MHz instead of 666MHz. I did not try 555Mhz before overclocking cPU to 3.4 GHz with a bus of 230. This was stable all night running Prime95, although the CPU got warm @ 56C, with stock cooler and 4 Antec Illusion fans running full speed.(I will be getting the Hyper 212 soon) I do not think my problem is the stabililty of the CPU. My problem appears to be RAM stability any where close to man. specs. I am suprised by this because this is supposed to be performance Memory. Tried Gigabyte tech support and they don't even have it listed as possibility for ram choice on the initial inquiry. Of course I have not heard from them yet, but it seems this ram is simply incompatible with this motherboard and system. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise.


Not sure why you didnt look at the QVL list before purchasing the RAM, you cannot just buy any ram and expect it to work. Where and when did you purchase the memory?

Also make sure you DO NOT overclock the CPU if your RAM is not working as advertised. You are going to get a string of BSODS that may cause a file to get corrupted (OS) and if that happens you will have to re-format.
March 2, 2010 11:36:21 PM

I believe that i may have the ram stable. It seems that the timings had to be set very particularly for it to work. I will run Prime 95 again tonight and see what happens. I will clock down the cpu so that the ram is what is being pushed.
"Not sure why you didnt look at the QVL list before purchasing the RAM"
At the top of the list there is a note that states tha not all modules have been tested. From what i have read and seen on other peoples setups, quite a few people run ram that is not on the list and don't have trouble, so I assumed that Mushkin's latest RAM release would not be incompatible with what would be considered a mainstream system.
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March 3, 2010 3:55:59 AM

Well normally when someone buys a board they also look at the QVL list just to make sure that the memory they are going to purchase is 100% compatible with the board. Of course there are a few sets that are NOT on the list and still work but why take that chance? Anyways let me know if you figured out the issue or not =)
March 3, 2010 9:58:28 AM

I am returning the ram for a set that is on the list. SiSandra lite rated my overclocked 630@3.5GHz the slightly better than a stock 965 BE. My only weak point was the ram which I could not get above 1000MHz. That problem should be solved soon. Even though my CPU is overclocked auto voltage, I have read somewhere that using auot voltage is not good. Do you have an opinion or know a good place to go for advice for my specific CPU and mobo.
March 3, 2010 10:25:03 AM

I would use a program like cpuid, everest, etc to see what exactly your MB is doing with your voltages. In general it is better to manually set them, but if the voltages go where you want when you want leave it on auto =). More then likely you will need to manually set them in bios.
March 3, 2010 1:24:21 PM

you want to always set them manually because chances are that auto throws too much on there and you're more likely running it hotter than it needs to be because of that. constantly overclocking it with auto voltage is not good for your processor.
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March 3, 2010 4:03:01 PM

buzzforb said:
I am returning the ram for a set that is on the list. SiSandra lite rated my overclocked 630@3.5GHz the slightly better than a stock 965 BE. My only weak point was the ram which I could not get above 1000MHz. That problem should be solved soon. Even though my CPU is overclocked auto voltage, I have read somewhere that using auot voltage is not good. Do you have an opinion or know a good place to go for advice for my specific CPU and mobo.


Unless you are running everything at stock settings it is recommended that you manually key in the values because the mobo will always provide more juice than necessary just like dickcruz pointed out.

This is what I use for 3.8Ghz (example only) :






March 4, 2010 11:42:16 PM

OvrClkr, what chip are you overclocking ans on what board?
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