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January 8, 2009 5:31:11 AM

Current System
Pentium D 3.0ghz (out of a dell)
4GB ram
Nvidia GeForce 7300 GS
xp 32 bit
air cooled
2 hdds 800 gigs.
Rosewill case and ps


Gigabyte MB ga-ep45-ud3p
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Product...

I mostly use my system for the normal web/email.

I play a lot of sports games, and I noticed I am usually stuck playing at a low resolution, and I cannot play nba2k9 without a crappy fps. I can play nhl2k9 no problem.

I got a $250 bonus from work and I am looking to make an upgrade to my system.

I was looking into cpus, and then realized it might be a better idea to upgrade my gpu instead. I was looking at the intel Quad Q6600, or the intel cor 2 duo 8400 i think. under $200.


I am cheap. I prefer not to spend any money, but if the upgrade is worth it I will. I can probably get away with what I have now for quite a while, as long as I do not want to play too many new games.

Thank you in advance. Joe

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January 8, 2009 6:41:21 AM

You would do a lot better upgrading your GPU but you will be limited by your PSU. for $200 you could look at a new PSU and GPU.

PSU: corsair or PC Power&Cooling

GPU: a low to mid AMD card is great value at the moment. check out the latest charts on the homepage.
January 8, 2009 7:05:47 AM

Unless it is a very, very crappy psu it will not be a problem. 450 watts is certainly enough.

For 200-250$ I would:
Get the Intel E5200 for 83$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And give it a decent overclock.

And the Radeon HD 4850 512MB for 145$(130 after mail-in rebate):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


EDIT: If you want to go cheaper on the gpu look at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,... to find something in your price range. 7300 GS is a very bad card, anything in that article will be a huge upgrade.
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January 8, 2009 7:40:40 AM

Hi i just bort the 4670 for my kids. It cost me £65 in the uk and it is a grate card. It dus not need any exstrer power so you will be good on the PSU side and it is quite a powerful card for the munny. mine scors about 8220 pointes in 3dmarck 06.
January 8, 2009 8:14:19 AM

4850 would be ideal but as above any lower end 4 series radeon would be a massive upgrade for you, and frees up some cash for some other bits and pieces as well.

Really worth the money in your case.
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January 8, 2009 9:05:31 AM

I'm still not keen on the Rosewill PSUs, and you would need to check the amperage on the individual rails rather than the overall wattage. Also, you need to check for PCIe power connectors.
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January 8, 2009 9:19:38 AM

Yeah, dump the rosewill PSU.
They are very junky and with your upgrades, you will be pushing it.

Why not upgrade everything at once within your budget?

E2200: $69.99
4580: $129.99 after $15 MIR
PCP&C Silencer 500w: $49.99 after $20 MIR

Total: $249.97 after MIR's

If you can afford a little more, look into an E5200 for $82.99 as a good additional upgrade.
With either CPU, the 4850 and new PSU, your system will be MUCH more powerful than it is now and should have no issues playing any of your games.
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January 8, 2009 11:26:54 AM

Probably a PSU and GPU...

Antec Earthwatts 380W and a HD 4830 or HD 4670 should be good for you...
January 8, 2009 12:33:43 PM

outlw6669 said:
Yeah, dump the rosewill PSU.
They are very junky and with your upgrades, you will be pushing it.

Why not upgrade everything at once within your budget?

E2200: $69.99
4580: $129.99 after $15 MIR
PCP&C Silencer 500w: $49.99 after $20 MIR

Total: $249.97 after MIR's

If you can afford a little more, look into an E5200 for $82.99 as a good additional upgrade.
With either CPU, the 4850 and new PSU, your system will be MUCH more powerful than it is now and should have no issues playing any of your games.


+1

But if you want to have a better CPU you could change the 4850 to a 4830.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $98 after $15 MIR , it's the same performance as the Nvidia 9800/8800 GT. Only 1 setp bellow the 4850 and a MAJOR upgrade from your 7300GS.
January 8, 2009 3:58:11 PM

You guys are amazing! I checked my email this morning so I could verify my account, and 8 great responses.

I figured out after I bought the psu/rosewill case of their quality(reviews).

I was getting ready to ask if the 5200, $13 dif, would make a huge difference, and then I saw Outlws post.

With this setup will I have to worry about playing any games? Not at their max resolution, but a step up from unmanagable.
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January 8, 2009 4:16:09 PM

That's actually a decent power supply/case combo from Rosewill. It's from their newer series and not one of the old outdated ones. With the motherboard you had listed i'd add a E5200 processor at $83
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and a decent graphic card, either a HD4670 at $70 for decent, but not great performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or a HD4830 at $90 for good performance
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or a HD4850at $130 for good+ performance
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Rosewill power supply will handle any of the listed GPUs, from what you listed for your use of your system the HD4670 should be fine, but if you want more graphic power go with the HD4830.


January 8, 2009 4:51:53 PM

j0eybb said:
You guys are amazing! I checked my email this morning so I could verify my account, and 8 great responses.

I figured out after I bought the psu/rosewill case of their quality(reviews).

I was getting ready to ask if the 5200, $13 dif, would make a huge difference, and then I saw Outlws post.

With this setup will I have to worry about playing any games? Not at their max resolution, but a step up from unmanagable.


If you buy e2200(and overclock it) and HD4830 you get a 160$ upgrade that can play any game out there(including crysis).
Sports game graphics are usually made for both PC and console, so the requiremnts are often fairly low.

Again, your psu is fine.
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January 8, 2009 5:02:12 PM

Your 7300GS is so lowly that even a 4650 would leave it in the dust; the point being you don't need to blow your whole bonus on your PC to see dramatic improvement.
$70 for a 4650 and another $40 for an Antec Basiq will do wonders for you.
Should you want to spend more, then a 4830, Antec Earthwatts, and an e2200 should fit.

January 8, 2009 5:15:49 PM

Your PSU is fine for a 4670 or 4650. If you go higher then that on the video card you will need another PSU. It sounds like all you play are rather undemanding games and you don't really want max eye candy, just a playable experience at decent resolution. In that case I highly recommend just throwing in a 4670 and enjoying. You will see absolutely huge increases with a 4670 and after that increases per $$ spent become marginal.
January 8, 2009 5:16:41 PM

What is the max screen resolution your manitor has?

This will help choosing the right videocard for you.
January 8, 2009 6:45:40 PM

I agree with everything dirtmountain said:
Quote:
add a E5200 processor at $83

and a decent graphic card, either a HD4670 at $70 for decent, but not great performance.

or a HD4830 at $90 for good performance

or a HD4850at $130 for good+ performance
January 8, 2009 6:59:22 PM

At that resolution, any game you play will rely more on the cpu than the graphics card upgrade. As such, I would go for the E5200, AC Freezer 7 Pro (easy to install processor cooler), and an ATI video card mentioned by those above. (I am a Nvidia person, so can't recommend which card. But, with the current tech, you should stick with an ATI video card.)
January 8, 2009 7:02:37 PM

Noticed your post about the cooler. In that case, leave it off and don't spend all your money (like someone else said). Save the remainder, and add a bit more to it for a new 21.5 or 22 inch widescreen monitor. (Enabling 1680x1050 resolution). Just get a midrange ATI card instead of the lowest (maybe the 4830 as mentioned by others instead of the 4670.)
January 8, 2009 7:06:09 PM



I think I am getting the 5200
and
4850/4830
Is the 4850 worth the extra $35 over the 4830?

Do I need a power supply. I am also going to add another fan for intake as I only have 1 exaust, and the cpu fan. (any thoughts to this?)

I looked at the Charts for the 4850 vs.7300GS. Wow! is all I can say.
cod4 98.30fps to 5.20.

January 8, 2009 7:10:03 PM

j0eybb said:
Noc: I have that fan and thermal paste. I have not ventured into OC'ing, but Oc'ing seems very popluar.

If I can go w/o buying another psu, then woohoo!

Monitor(it came with my super cheap Dell)
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-920NW-19-inch-...
1440x900

if you Plan to change your PSU i recommend
ATI HD 4670 (you will see huge deferent with GF 7300)
HIS H467QS512P Radeon HD 4670 IceQ $95.68
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4670 $79.99
and
and u will play in max resolution of must heavy games .
CPU (if u want )
E5200 2.5GHz (it's at less 3 times faster the Pentium D)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $82.99
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-Processor...
and thats all :hello: 
January 8, 2009 7:28:02 PM

Terr. You must have been typing as was I. A new monitor will come...eventually.

Side note, is I may be getting two 17" or 16" monitors. I assume any of these vid cards can/will support this.
January 8, 2009 8:20:44 PM

skywalker9952 said:
If you go higher then that on the video card you will need another PSU.

What are you basing this on? 4850 cards are listed as requiring a 450 watt psu and that number is extremely conservative.



@j0eybb
I think the 4850 is about a 20% increase in performance over the 4830. There is no easy answer as to whether that is worth it.

Also both the e5200 and e2200 can be overclocked fairly well on the stock cooler.
January 8, 2009 9:31:55 PM

salem80 said:
E5200 2.5GHz (it's at less 3 times faster the Pentium D)

By far the most rediculous thing I've read today. Core 2 Duo have about a 50-70% higher IPC than Pentium Ds, considering the slowest Pentium D was 2.8Ghz you're nowhere in the ballpark as to the relative power.
January 9, 2009 1:42:13 AM

What kind of motherboard do you have? You'll want to make sure that it supports the e5200, as it's one of the newer 45nm CPUs. An e2200 should work, though.
January 9, 2009 2:46:14 AM

Gigabyte MB ga-ep45-ud3p
January 10, 2009 1:51:11 AM

KyleSTL said:
By far the most rediculous thing I've read today. Core 2 Duo have about a 50-70% higher IPC than Pentium Ds, considering the slowest Pentium D was 2.8Ghz you're nowhere in the ballpark as to the relative power.

ok dreamer :kaola: 
Pentium D are two chip of the loser P4
so it based on P4 article .
add E5200 based on core2 article (with less cache)
their huge deferent between those article.
even E2160 @ 1.8GHz can beat Pentium D @3.4 see this :sol: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253RHrXXlUk
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/desktop-cpu-charts...
and E5200 come close to E7XXX in default clock :ouch: 
http://techgage.com/article/intel_pentium_dual-core_e52...
. :sleep: 
January 11, 2009 9:37:25 PM

The guy said 3 times. That is not realistic. He overestimated. And I'm totally correct about the theorhetical IPC between Netburst and Core microtech. The difference is that the Core is also more efficient (especially between cores) than Pentium D. That's where the real world differences are accounted for.

Do you think a 1.13Ghz Pentium Dual Core is faster than a 3.4Ghz Pentium D ??? I don't think so.
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January 12, 2009 5:41:01 AM

:sleep: 
January 12, 2009 1:21:37 PM

fangirl,

long time, no see. where you been hiding? Are you bored because we aren't talking about AMD CPUs?
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January 12, 2009 2:35:12 PM

Hiding? No really, but I have stayed abit outta the CPUs section.

I'm not at Intel CPUs, I like them alot too, (I love C2D ULVs!) but its just the constant bickering that annoys me.
January 12, 2009 5:28:59 PM

So far I bought the 4850 video card, and I am waiting until next payday to look into buying a new cpu, and possibly a new psu, if needed.

January 12, 2009 5:29:47 PM

Just the facts, man ... that's all.
January 12, 2009 8:53:45 PM

j0eybb said:
So far I bought the 4850 video card, and I am waiting until next payday to look into buying a new cpu, and possibly a new psu, if needed.


And hows it runnin?
January 17, 2009 10:10:10 PM

Finally got it installed. The system overall seems to be a bit slower. It's probably in my head.

I am now able to play NBA2k9, and Need For Speed Undercover at the speed is was meant to be played at. Thats good because I couldn't return them and get my money back.

Now it's just a matter of time before I pick a cpu.

Thank you all for your help in my little journey.
January 18, 2009 4:59:06 PM

j0eybb said:
Finally got it installed. The system overall seems to be a bit slower. It's probably in my head.

I am now able to play NBA2k9, and Need For Speed Undercover at the speed is was meant to be played at. Thats good because I couldn't return them and get my money back.

Now it's just a matter of time before I pick a cpu.

Thank you all for your help in my little journey.

what GPU you got .
January 20, 2009 9:04:24 PM

salem80 said:
what GPU you got .


j0eybb 01-12-2009 at 08:28:59 PM - 0 +
So far I bought the 4850 video card, and I am waiting until next payday to look into buying a new cpu, and possibly a new psu, if needed.

January 27, 2009 9:41:49 PM

RESURECTION:::
:) 
I am looking now into buying the e7400 for $120 shipped. Do you think I will need to upgrade my psu, or will I be fine for now?
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