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I guess if any of us were starting a new system today, we'd also opt for
MPEG-4; however, I'd point out that this is not an OTA system...so the
service provider also supplies the reception hardware, and....it would be
wonderful if 8-VSB had had the advantages of MPEG-4 when the "standard" was
being set. Heavens...Monday morning quarterbacking is always 20/20. If we
awaited the "perfect" solution, we'd never make a decision to move forward.
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"Weekend Guru" <HD Guru@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> I guess if any of us were starting a new system today, we'd also opt for
> MPEG-4; however, I'd point out that this is not an OTA system...so the
> service provider also supplies the reception hardware, and....it would be
> wonderful if 8-VSB had had the advantages of MPEG-4 when the "standard"
was
> being set. Heavens...Monday morning quarterbacking is always 20/20. If
we
> awaited the "perfect" solution, we'd never make a decision to move
forward.
>
I'm still almost weeping over how much I paid for an Olympus 1.3 mega pixel
digital camera about four years ago, especially when I look at the
specification of a new model at well under half the price!
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Weekend Guru wrote:
> I guess if any of us were starting a new system today, we'd also opt for
> MPEG-4; however, I'd point out that this is not an OTA system...so the
> service provider also supplies the reception hardware, and....it would be
> wonderful if 8-VSB had had the advantages of MPEG-4 when the "standard" was
> being set. Heavens...Monday morning quarterbacking is always 20/20. If we
> awaited the "perfect" solution, we'd never make a decision to move forward.
>
And the reverse is also true. If in too much of a hurry you pick a bad
solution you never move forward at all. We have not moved forward for
the last 8 years.
In fact the reality of the digital transition in the US presents an
opportunity. Since to date it has been such a total disaster we could
scrap it at little cost and reap fantastic rewards by upgrading now to a
better codec, MPEG4, and since doing that would make all current
receivers obsolete, we could also upgrade our modulation system.
That upgrade could be to a more modern 8-VSB or to a COFDM based system
like DVB-T, ISDB-T or DMB-T. Whichever is judged best today.
The rewards would radically outweigh the cost of switching. The value of
the OTA spectrum to both broadcasters and the public would quadruple
with just the change to MPEG4. The cost savings for reception would
decline drastically for a number of reasons.
99% of the public has yet to invest in DTV. With the ancient and
problematic 8-VSB we have little economies of scale so receivers cost
more. Reception is bad so the cost of antennas, rotors and their
installation is higher. 99% of these cost remain in the future. By
switching to MPEG4 and a COFDM modulation we would save many times more
than the cost of the switch while increasing the value of the spectrum
many many times more than the cost of the switch.
Consider if you are even an early adopter of 8-VSB. You have a receiver
and tomorrow you hear that their is a new receiver that cost a quarter
of what you paid for the one you have. It will allow you to receive four
times as many DTV programs and in most cases you will not need an
outdoor antenna.
Most early adopters have been willing to buy new 8-VSB receivers on the
rumor that they might work a little better or let them receive one more
station or reduce drop-outs on the ones they have. How much more would
the be willing to buy a new receiver that offers so much more.
There is no law that says we have to stick with a modulation for a given
number of years. There is no law that says that we have to stick with a
failed system while the rest of the world passes us by. Unless it is
some rule that holds that good old boy deals made in cloak rooms in
secret in DC must be honored at all cost to the public come what may.
That rule has trumped so far.
And last but not least the decision for 8-VSB was not a decision to move
forward, it was a decision to stagnate.
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"Bob Miller" <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Weekend Guru wrote:
>> I guess if any of us were starting a new system today, we'd also opt for
>> MPEG-4; however, I'd point out that this is not an OTA system...so the
>> service provider also supplies the reception hardware, and....it would be
>> wonderful if 8-VSB had had the advantages of MPEG-4 when the "standard"
>> was being set. Heavens...Monday morning quarterbacking is always 20/20.
>> If we awaited the "perfect" solution, we'd never make a decision to move
>> forward.
>>
>
> And the reverse is also true. If in too much of a hurry you pick a bad
> solution you never move forward at all. We have not moved forward for the
> last 8 years.
>
> In fact the reality of the digital transition in the US presents an
> opportunity. Since to date it has been such a total disaster we could
> scrap it at little cost and reap fantastic rewards by upgrading now to a
> better codec, MPEG4, and since doing that would make all current receivers
> obsolete, we could also upgrade our modulation system.
>
> That upgrade could be to a more modern 8-VSB or to a COFDM based system
> like DVB-T, ISDB-T or DMB-T. Whichever is judged best today.
>
> The rewards would radically outweigh the cost of switching. The value of
> the OTA spectrum to both broadcasters and the public would quadruple with
> just the change to MPEG4. The cost savings for reception would decline
> drastically for a number of reasons.
>
> 99% of the public has yet to invest in DTV. With the ancient and
> problematic 8-VSB we have little economies of scale so receivers cost
> more. Reception is bad so the cost of antennas, rotors and their
> installation is higher. 99% of these cost remain in the future. By
> switching to MPEG4 and a COFDM modulation we would save many times more
> than the cost of the switch while increasing the value of the spectrum
> many many times more than the cost of the switch.
>
> Consider if you are even an early adopter of 8-VSB. You have a receiver
> and tomorrow you hear that their is a new receiver that cost a quarter of
> what you paid for the one you have. It will allow you to receive four
> times as many DTV programs and in most cases you will not need an outdoor
> antenna.
>
> Most early adopters have been willing to buy new 8-VSB receivers on the
> rumor that they might work a little better or let them receive one more
> station or reduce drop-outs on the ones they have. How much more would the
> be willing to buy a new receiver that offers so much more.
>
> There is no law that says we have to stick with a modulation for a given
> number of years. There is no law that says that we have to stick with a
> failed system while the rest of the world passes us by. Unless it is some
> rule that holds that good old boy deals made in cloak rooms in secret in
> DC must be honored at all cost to the public come what may. That rule has
> trumped so far.
>
> And last but not least the decision for 8-VSB was not a decision to move
> forward, it was a decision to stagnate.
>
> Bob Miller
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