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January 10, 2009 6:42:35 PM

I made a PC that i want to order but first i want to hear your opinions :) 


PSU >> Corsair 750W 12V CMPSU-750TX $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MOTHERBOARD >> ASRock P45R2000-WiFi $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU >> Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM>> Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
VIDEOCARD >> Asus ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB $249.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HARD DRIVE >> Western Digital 500GB 32MB $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CD/DVD >> SAMSUNG LightScribe SATA $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CASES >> Antec P182 Gun Metal Black $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MONITOR >> SAMSUNG T220 Rose-Black 22" 2ms $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PEAKERS >> Logitech LS21 7W 2.1 Speaker $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
KEYBOARD >> Saitek PK17U Black/Silver $64.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Total: 1 487,23$ (With shipping)

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January 10, 2009 6:56:52 PM

what is your budget?

I think you should be able to get a faster processor and videocard for the same amount. Also your RAM should be faster. Are you overclocking? You'd need a cpu cooler. Do you already have a gaming mouse? An asus or gigabyte motherboard would be better.
January 10, 2009 7:03:28 PM

I dont want it to be more expensive than this... thats it :) 
can u tell me what cpu and video card?
i didnt found any fast ddr2 from newegg... maybe OC it but think not.
u sure i need cpu cooler?:o 
I dont have a gaming mouse but i have it on sell in local shop(roccat kone)
I took asrock because it has instant boot...
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January 10, 2009 8:15:25 PM

but still i want to know why are the stuff nsimo86 said needed to change (i only want to know the reasons maybe it is not neccesary)
if it is then some advice :)  and those adivces should be almost at the same price as my choses stuff
January 10, 2009 8:18:09 PM

get a celeron!

just kidding im on crack :( 
January 10, 2009 8:50:31 PM

Save $30 with this PC Power & Cooling 750W instead of the 750TX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
Both are good PSUs, and the PC P&C has more awards.

nsimo86 objected to that RAM because it has weak timings, 5-5-5-18. Since you don't overclock, you can ignore that part.

If you can afford an extra $50 and get a Q9550 it's worth it. If not, the Q9400 is pretty good anyway so don't worry.

The HD 4870 1GB is one of the top 10 cards available, no worries there either.

If you don't need the wi-fi feature I suggest you get a GA-EP45-UD3P.

Since you won't overclock, you don't need a CPU cooler.

January 10, 2009 8:50:55 PM

PSU: Change to the red colored PC Power & Cooling 750W--it's currently $80 on Newegg and that can't be beat. It is every bit as good as Corsair and you won't notice the color inside your Antec P182 case.

Mobo: Change to Asus P5Q Pro. It is better than the Asrock for only $10 more. Alternatively, you can look at the Gigabyte EP45-UD3P, which is the comparable offering from Gigabyte. Both are excellent boards, IMO.

CPU: If you want a quad, then get the Q6600 because it's a better value and when overclocked, it would be comparable to the Q9400. If you are just gaming, then I would suggest getting a Duo--the E7400 at 10.5 multiplier and R0 stepping.

RAM: Change to 2x2GB of the G.Skill Pi Black DDR2-900, it's only $50 on Newegg.

Video card: Have a look at this thread and see if you can get a GTX 280--they're on special right now: link. Because they just released the GTX 295 and are about to release the GTX 285, nVidia's pricing is shifting quickly so you would probably be able to find a good deal on the old GTX 280 somewhere.

HDD: Change to the Caviar Black 640 GB version because it's faster than the 500GB version.

OC / Heatsink: If you're not going to overclock, then just use the stock cooler. If you do plan on OC, then you will definitely need an aftermarket heatsink: Xigmatek HDT-S1283, corresponding backplate and Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste.

Hope this helps!


EDIT: Sorry, crossed wires with aevm--but my opinions stand.
January 10, 2009 8:53:54 PM

^ rofl @ everyone giving him different specs. this is why i do not participate in these threads anymore.
January 10, 2009 8:54:19 PM

I was saying you would need a cpu cooler if you were going to OC.

I think for a system your price you should be looking at either the i7 920 or the Q9550. If you go i7 then you'll need ddr3, if core2quad use ddr2 1066 instead of 800.

Personally I'd get a less expensive case, monitor and keyboard and put more money into my videocard and cpu. A good case can be had for about half what that antec case costs. A good 22" monitor can be add for $50 less than the samsung. I use a microsoft natural keyboard 4000 for gaming and its great and costs about $40. If you cut back on these things you could get an i7 920 and a radeon 4850x2 or a Q9550 with a 4870x2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

January 10, 2009 8:57:45 PM

i would say you should get an aftermarket heatsink for a cpu whether you are planning to overclock or not.
January 11, 2009 12:15:29 AM

How about this:

- save $68 + whatever Newegg charges to ship the P182, if you get this Antec 300:
http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-three-hundred-atx-computer-case/q/loc/101/207906549.html

Q6600 (retail) saves you $80 compared to Q9400.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

A GA-EP45-UD3R would save you $15 too.

Now take those savings and upgrade to HD 4870 X2 ($400) and WD6401AALS (640GB, $80):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102768
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319&Tpk=wd6401aals

January 11, 2009 12:18:52 AM

Where to start...

Newegg currently has a steep discount for the Phenom II-mobo combo - the CPU is basically costing you only $235 with a $100 mobo. You probably won't get similar deals from Intel, apart from the Q6600, until February.

They also have a nice discount for the red PCP&C 750, though a 610 would be plenty if you can find that one for cheaper.

I feel that keyboard is for expensive systems. Unless you place your 22" far back, it'll light up your keyboard somewhat in the dark. I'm a touch typist and use several $10-15 Logitech Internet keyboards - only missing a power/standby button on those; build quality is otherwise great.

That case seems really expensive for such a small budget. I don't go for looks, either. A case is just to protect and carry the computer around. Some people, especially gamers without pets, can take off the side panel for all their ventilation needs.

The Phenom II also probably comes with a more acceptable stock cooler. If it's like the Athlons/Phenoms, it'll be heat-pipe, perform competitively, and be reasonably quiet. However, I'd only go for a third party cooler if using a hotter Intel proc - a Kentsfield or Nehalem - or doing major overclocking (1.4V+).
January 11, 2009 1:20:15 AM

Good find!!!
January 11, 2009 1:32:46 AM

jamesgoddard said:
Have a look at AMD Phenom II systems - this is a very decent CPU / mobo combo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Good idea. I just don't like that MB because apparently big video cards won't fit. I like this combo more:
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit=ADD&ItemList=Combo.150720 ($785 after rebate)

AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz
SAPPHIRE 100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2
ASUS M3A78-T AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI

January 11, 2009 4:15:34 AM

I have that biostar MB and it fits my hd 4850 with a dual slot cooler fine, although when I add in a second one i'll only have access to one pci slot.
January 11, 2009 5:23:40 AM

Your suggested build seems fine. Purely for gaming though you may want to consider going with an E8400 instead and overclocking the heck out of it. Of course if you want to go quad core the Phenom II is also a compelling alternative as many here have already suggested.

I think you would appreciate going with a 5.1 speaker setup. You may think that speakers are just an afterthought but they do make a difference in the overall game experience. That's why I've had my creative 4.1 speaker setup for some time, even if I still wish I would have spent a few more bucks to go with a 5.1 when I got it about 6 years ago ^_^. Yeah, games just don't like 4.1 anymore :D .
January 11, 2009 7:30:48 AM

Please remember if you do go Intel - the socket 775 is being phased out when socket i5 (LGA 1160) hits the shops in a few months time - so no upgrades possible on the platform...

AM2+ or i7 have plenty of years left (as AM3 CPU's will just drop into AM2+)
January 11, 2009 11:28:06 AM

forgot these:
MONITOR:
SAMSUNG T220 Rose-Black 22" 2ms 20000:1 $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" 5ms 1000:1 $159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:
Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 1066 $51.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x2GB of the G.Skill Pi Black DDR2-900 $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But about CPU is there big difference between 1066 and 1333 FSB?
I think i wont be upgrading the PC anymore unless something doesn't brake...
January 11, 2009 7:04:53 PM

The G.Skill has better timings.

Don't worry about the CPU's FSB. Just get the best CPU you can afford.
January 11, 2009 7:46:32 PM

but if i use a CPU cooler
would it be worth to OC it or buy Q9550 or Q9400?
January 11, 2009 8:40:37 PM

Same cash gets you a better cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003&Tpk=hdt-s1283

Q6600+ HDT-S1283 costs $227 and you can get 3.4 GHz, maybe 3.6 with a little luck.

Q9550 can easily do 3.4 GHz on the stock cooler, and that is about the same as Q6600 at 3.6 GHz and consumes less power. That costs $320.

If you need lots of CPU power and can afford it get the Q9550 and the HDT-S1283 and OC. If not, get the Q6600, no cooler, no overclocking.

Either way, I'm not recommending the Q9400. I think both Q9550 and Q6600 are better value at current prices.
January 12, 2009 3:45:32 AM

i think i go with q9550 and the cooler just in case i OC in future. But what component shoud be cheaper?
January 12, 2009 12:34:19 PM

You can cut costs from the keyboard (just get a $20 keyboard for now), case ($65 Antec 300 at www.buy.com), monitor (there are some decent ones under $200, same size), PSU (get that PC Power & Cooling), cooler (don't get any aftermarket cooler for now).
January 12, 2009 12:54:30 PM

but is there big difference betweern 20000:1 contrast and 5000:1?
i already chose a keyboard
January 12, 2009 12:57:46 PM

but is there big difference between 20000:1 contrast and 5000:1?
i already chose a keyboard:
Microsoft BX1-00005 Silver/Black $14.99
i accedentaly posted that last post... so just ignore that :) 
But i thnik i wont change my mind from p182 because it is 1 of the quietest cases, and it seems to have good airflow
January 12, 2009 1:46:58 PM

The Sonata might be a little too small to fit a big video card or a big CPU cooler. It also has a single fan. I have one at work and it's great for a business machine, but I wouldn't pick it for gaming.

I love the P182 too, but I didn't get one because I needed an 8800GTX and more than 3 hard disks and that was too much to fit inside. With a large video card you need to remove a drive cage, you know. If that's OK then it's a good choice.

January 12, 2009 4:26:02 PM

1920x1080 pixels in a 21.5" monitor, wow. Sounds tempting, but only if you have very good eyes. If not, avoid those last two and get the first one. Either way, don't get the 19". It makes no sense to buy something with 1440x900 any more. It's not even the cheapest.


January 12, 2009 4:29:58 PM

What do you mean by if you have good eyes :D 
But to anwser that, ye when i last checked by doctor they were good :) 
January 12, 2009 4:41:40 PM

Well go for it then. You do need good eyes because the pixels are very small when you stuff 1920 of them on a small monitor. Normally that kind of resolution is available in 24" models or larger. Compare those 21.5" monitors with a Samsung 275T, 27", 1920x1200. You can adjust fonts in Windows Control Panel, but there will be all sorts of icons that will look smaller than usual.
January 12, 2009 5:09:41 PM
January 12, 2009 5:34:18 PM

Looks like a solid setup.

I'd consider changing the cd/dvd drive if you need the burning/dvd software. OEM cd/dvd drives do not ship with any software. Retail versions like this Lite-On drive do come with software. Here is a retail model with lightscribe but it's out of stock on Newegg right now. If you don't need the burning or dvd software then the OEM one you picked should be fine.

If you do end up going with the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 cooler then you should also get the retention bracket because the push-pins that come with it aren't very good. It's on newegg here for $8.49.
January 12, 2009 6:03:13 PM

I only have 1 small problem it is the power connectors

So do i only get these cables that we dont use in here or can i somehow change them?
And should i take the cooler for the future then?
January 12, 2009 6:11:00 PM

i mean not the whole cable but only the tip of it that goes to power connector
January 12, 2009 6:50:58 PM

I still think you should be getting at least a radeon 4850x2, its only $50 more than the 4870.

Also unless you have a good room or area to set up 5.1 speakers, I think you'd be happier with a good pair of headphones for games and a 2.1 speaker set up for listening to music.
January 12, 2009 7:01:26 PM

Yeah, that HD 4850X2 is almost as good as the HD 4870 X2. Very impressive benchmarks.

Good point about 5.1 speakers. Does your wife/girlfriend/Mom etc. approve of you nailing speakers to the walls behind the chair? If not, you'll end up with the speakers lined up on the desk and it's not much better than 2.1
Edit: forgot to mention the wires... They can look pretty bad on the wall.
January 13, 2009 5:03:41 AM

That's one sweet build you've got there! :D 

Re: aevm's point on the monitor: I'd go for the smaller pixels for the sharpness, if you've got the eyes for it. Just switch to large fonts. Also better for gaming and Blu-ray, if the OP wants to add it later.

Heatsink: Definitely get the heatsink and when you do, get the backplate as well because that's a heavy cooler to cantilever off the mobo. Put the heatsink on at the beginning, because you have to remove the mobo from the case to install it later, which you don't want to do. Remember Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste as well.

Power Cables: If you order from Newegg USA, then you will get the North American power cables, which will not work in the UK. You could use an adapter, but for the wattage that your PC will draw, I would not use an adapter. Just buy a new AEC power cable from a local store, but just make sure that it's a good one because remember that you are feeding a 750W PSU. The PSU itself will work with the UK's 240V/50Hz power.

Video Card: Depending on what games you play and your personal preference, at 1920x1080 (which is smaller than the standard 24" resolution) I think that the 4870 1GB is sufficient and I would rather Crossfire it later if necessary. Given that the UD3P board is P45 and runs two x8 lanes in Crossfire, you might not get the full benefit from Quadfire so I wouldn't go with a 4850x2 card right now.

Speakers: I'd get the Z-4 with the bigger sub if you have the space and the budget. It would help for shooter games. However, it also depends on how big your room is--if it's small, then you don't need the big sub of the Z-4 and the S-220 would be plenty.
January 13, 2009 12:17:42 PM

I don't think Newegg USA delivers to the UK anyway. They don't deliver to Canada for example.

Agreed on the video card.

A HD 4870 1GB or two of them or a single HD 4850 X2 are all sensible options at 1920x1080.

Two HD 4850 X2 would not be a good option, because games don't scale well for 4 GPUs (OK, CoD does, but that's an exception). There's also the P45 8x/8x thing and the major heat involved.
January 13, 2009 1:52:43 PM

I'd go to a local store and pick a monitor that way. There are lots of factors you can't check properly when buying online. For example some people like glossy monitors, some don't. Viewing angles are often not as good as claimed in specs. Some monitors have annoying lights on the buttons. Etc etc.
Also, when you buy locally you get to check for dead pixels.
January 13, 2009 1:56:59 PM

i think i get the acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms because here we dont have that good/big choise and it looks nice :) . But if there are dead pixels i can send it back and get a new one right ?
January 13, 2009 2:06:54 PM

No idea. It depends on the store policy. You should ask about it before buying.

For example in Canada there are brick-and-mortar stores like Future Shop (sells computers, DVDs, cameras, TVs, etc.) where you have 14 days to return a monitor for full refund or exchange, no questions asked. I returned an LG monitor once because it had one pixel stuck on yellow.

There are also smaller brick-and-mortar stores, specialized in computers (no TVs, cameras, movies). They typically have lower prices but charge 20% or whatever restocking fee if you return an item.

And then there are online stores like Newegg that accept a monitor back if it has more than 6 pixels stuck. (They may have changed this, last time I checked was more than a year ago.) If you buy online there's also the matter of who pays for shipping the first monitor back and the second monitor to you.



But then there are also retailers like Newegg.ca where they ship you the monitor and
January 13, 2009 2:10:18 PM

Silly GUI, won't let me edit... Anyway, I meant to say there are differences in store policy even between Newegg (USA) and Newegg.ca (Canada). There are all sorts of local laws that may give you rights to return defect merchandise.


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