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January 11, 2009 3:00:32 PM

Well, i want to buy a Core 2 Duo processor of price upto 150$ strictly! I want to use it to play some high end games at 1280*1024 res.... with my BFG 8800GT OC.
I might buy a new mobo for it and would LOVE to overclock the cpu.... but ON STOCK cooling. i *might* buy a better cooling but i dont want to look at that possibility.
So, please tell me which processor is the best bet for me, concerning MAINLY GAMING.

I currently got:
Pentium D 805 overclocked to 3.2ghz on stock.
BFG GeForce 8800 GT DDR3 OC
2 GB DDR2 533
Biostar 945GC-M7 TE motherboard.... i rather dont really want to change this. Here's the link to this Mobo!

January 11, 2009 3:09:34 PM

e7300
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January 11, 2009 3:18:58 PM

+1 to e7300
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January 11, 2009 3:23:11 PM

well, thanks for that...but there is one more thing i would like to ask.... the price and overclock ability on my setup! how does this CPU fare at that?
January 11, 2009 3:24:43 PM

are you guys sure this processor would work good with my mobo? my motherboard is pretty infamous...
how much can e7300 OC on stock cooling?
January 11, 2009 3:34:45 PM

so 2 guys say e7300 and the article prefers e7200...i am confused!
January 11, 2009 3:37:05 PM

E5200 is called a pentium dual core, but it is really a loweer cache Core 2 duo it has a 12.5 multiplier and is less than $90.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The e7300 is a great cpu as well. It has more cache, but a lower multiplier for OCing. It is $120. I have the e7200. I got it mid last year.

Both are 45nm. If your going to OC, both would be a good choice, I would get an e5200 if i were buying today. Better bang for buck.

Get a good P45 then OC to your hearts desire.
January 11, 2009 3:39:19 PM

rockerdish said:
so 2 guys say e7300 and the article prefers e7200...i am confused!


The article says E7200 but any of the 7000 series is good and will overclock well.
January 11, 2009 3:42:52 PM

well, 30$ is enough for me to think of buying e5200.

in gaming, which one would perform better? e5200 OCed or e7200 OCed on Stock cooling?
January 11, 2009 3:45:19 PM

The cache of the e7300 will help some and since your only OCing with stock cooling, you can't OC to much. The e7300 would be slightly better at lower clocks due to the slightly higher cache.

just another option. price vs cache.

edit: both will probably hit 3G without a voltage bump. Use that as a starting goal and watch your temps with HWmonitor and run prime95 to check stability.

by the way. There are some nice low priced cooler that snap in stock fan mounting and will help you hit 3.2-3.4. I would try your stock fan first and learn how to OC. IF you need more look at frostytech for cooling choices. Just make sure it will fit in your case and not hit your mobo parts.
January 11, 2009 3:49:15 PM

what about the future factor? which one would last longer? i think e7200.
January 11, 2009 3:53:27 PM

They both have similar future limits. In the future you will probably need to get a quad core. That is probably a year or more away before quads are a must have. for gaming duals are fine til then.
January 11, 2009 4:06:05 PM

e5200, i agree, P45 mobo and your good to reach 4ghz with nice AirCoolling
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January 11, 2009 4:36:31 PM

Before buying, you should check what CPUs are supported by the Biostar 945GC-M7 TE motherboard: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/cpu_support.php?.... I don't mean that a CPU has to be on the list, but chances of it working properly are better when it's officially supported.
January 11, 2009 4:54:23 PM

You can't go wrong with the e7000 series. And the e5000 series has a super-high multiplier (12x?), so OC is relatively easy.

I hear you about your $150 limit--and you have to set a limit somewhere. But if you are in the US, you can get the e8400 for $165, no tax and free shipping at NewEgg. Just find the extra $15 and do it with no regrets.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 11, 2009 5:41:54 PM

My two bits with suggested upgrade path:

1. Get the E5200 now because it is the cheapest Duo with good OC capability. You can OC this a bit with the stock cooler.

2. Then when you want to OC higher, get the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro heatsink--that can be installed with pushpins and you don't have to take the mobo off to install it.

3. Later when you do a major upgrade, jump all the way to the i7 platform.
January 11, 2009 5:53:28 PM

+1 ^

January 12, 2009 8:37:40 AM

husky, the e8xxx series is not officially supported by the OPs MB. The e7200 is, but is apparently discontinued (not available at Newegg anymore at least); hence, my suggestion of the e7300.
January 12, 2009 12:08:09 PM

Well, i agree with Akenbono 98.... i would like to buy a cheap but a reasonably fast CPU which can handle games at 1280*1024 for another year or so.....
Then i would most probably go for the quad core or i7.

GhislainG said:
Before buying, you should check what CPUs are supported by the Biostar 945GC-M7 TE motherboard: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/cpu_support.php?.... I don't mean that a CPU has to be on the list, but chances of it working properly are better when it's officially supported.


Well, i dont see E5XXX series being supported by my mobo...so i think i would most likely go for an E7200 ... which i can get in my country easily.

So now i have almost made up my mind... But look at these:

My mobo also supports the E4XXX and E6XXX series...... are they any good?
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January 12, 2009 12:34:03 PM

The E4XXX and E6XXX series are good, but they're older technology. If I were you, I'd go with the E7200.
January 12, 2009 12:53:06 PM

The E7200 is a very good cpu. I have one, see my sig. OC for 8 months stable. E7200 is much better than the e4xxx and e6xxx.

E7200 with stock fan and stock voltage @ 333mhz fsb with x9 multiplier and you should be good at 3Ghz.

you might be able to hit 3.2G on stock air, just watch temps and stability due to voltage.
January 12, 2009 2:25:27 PM

Alright , so i am going to buy the e7200 asap....

do you think an heat-sink/fan upto 50$ do any good for this cpu? if you know a good one, please suggest.
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January 12, 2009 3:09:36 PM

It depends if your motherboard allows you to overclock over 3Ghz (and if you plan on doing it). I'd buy a better HSF only if need be. To be honest, the stock HSF is quite good.
January 12, 2009 3:46:04 PM

shouldnt he upgrade his RAM since its only DDR2 533?
January 12, 2009 4:15:06 PM

lol, upgrading your mobo and cpu and forgetting about the ram is not good. ur going to need ddr2 800 now.
January 12, 2009 5:50:14 PM

RAM - good catch

+1 PC6400 800Mhz
January 12, 2009 6:20:04 PM

preferrable : Gskillz for no oc'ing. cheap and not bad quality.
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January 12, 2009 6:26:22 PM

If he's only upgrading the CPU (the original post indicates that's his preference), then upgrading the motherboard and memory will definitely exceeds his budget. While upgrading from DDR2 533 to DDR2 800 improves performance a bit, it might not necessarily be worth the expense.
January 12, 2009 6:35:58 PM

e7300 + 4gig DDR800 is around his $150 budget
January 12, 2009 7:04:48 PM

I agree with the recommendations for the E7300/E7200 or the E5200 if you're on an even tighter budget. Smaller cache on the E5200, but still a great chip.

I personally have an E5200 that I've OC'ed to 3.33ghz on stock voltages. CPU-Z says 1.18V, so that's even lower than the 1.2V VID the chip has. No increase in tempurature and Prime95 stable (12+ hours). I did not run the full 12.5x multiplier though, since I managed to bump up the FSB from the stock 200 to 333. Currently running it with a 10x multiplier for 333x10= 3.33ghz. The chip will definitely go higher with a voltage boost and higher multiplier, but I did not want to deal with the tempurature increases.

For an $80 chip I'm quite amused at the potential, since the 3.33ghz is the stock speed of my E8600 c2d that goes for $270 :pt1cable: 
January 12, 2009 8:13:01 PM

Wish you would go 15 dollars more than your 150. you could get an E8400.
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January 12, 2009 8:29:23 PM

Unfortunately the E8400 is not on the list of supported CPUs, therefore he would probably have to buy a new motherboard with it. If he really wants a new motherboard, memory and CPU, then I agree that the E8400 is a good buy.

rockerdish, in your original post, you wrote that you might buy a new motherboard. What's your total budget (other than $150 for the CPU)?
January 12, 2009 9:59:08 PM

Get 2x2gb PC6400 800Mhz RAM
Get the E5200 (yes the 7x00 are slightly better, but not worth the extra cash if you're OCing).
Use the standard heatsink and fan. You can do a decent overclock it. Anyone who claims otherwise has not tried it. I have and I've run the E2180@3.2ghz on it.

I think about 3.6ghz on standard heatsink with e5200 should be doable, and will keep you gaming for at least 18 months.
January 12, 2009 10:02:57 PM

Wierd idea, or at least this is what will I do.

First get a good aftermarket cooler.

Second overclock that processor to about 3.6Ghz.

Third if still not satisfied, get the E7200 and overclock it, since you already got the aftermarket cooler, you should get better OC results than using the stock fan.
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January 12, 2009 10:06:04 PM

In articles on this site I've read where the E5200 was able to be overclocked more than the E7200. I wouldn't even consider overclocking without adding a better cooler. The E5200 + a good cooler is still well within his budget.

E8400 is a good chip, and would extend the overclocking ability even a little further, but also needs a good cooler, and is a lot more expensive. If you can go to 4GHz with an E5200, then you can't gain much more with the E8400.

Here is the system that Tom's built with the E5200:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-graphics-overcl...
January 13, 2009 1:27:13 AM

I think the E5200 is your best bet, stock cooler or i recommend a $36 Xigmatek cooler that i bought for my E8500.

Mobo wise, for Biostar or ASUS.. cheap way in Biostar :Tforce P43 ATX.

ASUS: PRO LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX.

Mem. Gskillz...4gb (2x2)
here's the model number. Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK.

Just go to newegg dude.. look at what people have to say, then look through newegg and tomshardware...
January 13, 2009 3:53:16 AM

My apologies, everyone. Looks like I didn't read the OP carefully enough the first time. In retrospect, I agree with ghislaing on the mobo supported processor issue, just to be safe here. And upon examining that list, it looks like most of the upgradeable processors don't have very high multipliers to begin with (highest I see is the E4500 at 11x) and when coupled with the original RAM at DDR2-533, that doesn't leave much OC headroom.

The mobo only supports FSB 1333, so let's just assume, for the sake of argument that the OP got the E4500. Then 11x333=3.66 GHz (ignoring RAM constraint for a moment). The OP is already running 3.2 GHz with the Pentium D 805, which is dual core. Therefore, we're getting hardly any additional speed here, for the price that we're looking at. And we're not getting any additional cores either.

With my inital post of E5200, at 12.5 multiplier by 333FSB would give you 4.16 GHz, which would be a worthy and cheap upgrade for $83, if it worked at all. But given that the true constraint here is actually the mobo and RAM, the OP is better off just getting a whole new rig if speed for gaming was the objective. Unfortunately, there's not much room to upgrade here on the cheap because the system is already pretty maxed out (already running at 20x multiplier).

The E7200 has a 9.5 multiplier and at 333 FSB, that's only 3.16 GHz, slower than what the OP has now--so don't do it!

Sorry, rockerdish. If you've already bought that E7200 by now, can we make it up to you with some mobo and RAM recommendations?
January 13, 2009 4:16:04 AM

I just picked up an e5300 and I love it.

I have it overclocked to 3.5GHz with plenty of room to spare.
Load temps at 42C with Cooler Master Hyper TX2
January 13, 2009 4:29:36 AM

@geotech: do you have the OP's Biostar mobo?
January 13, 2009 4:42:37 AM

Akebono 98 said:
@geotech: do you have the OP's Biostar mobo?


Sorry, ASUS P5Q Pro

I've done my research, should hit at least 4GHz on most Mobos
set 333fsb, 12.5multi, 1.4~V
January 13, 2009 5:08:49 AM

Akebono 98 said:
My apologies, everyone. Looks like I didn't read the OP carefully enough the first time. In retrospect, I agree with ghislaing on the mobo supported processor issue, just to be safe here. And upon examining that list, it looks like most of the upgradeable processors don't have very high multipliers to begin with (highest I see is the E4500 at 11x) and when coupled with the original RAM at DDR2-533, that doesn't leave much OC headroom.

The mobo only supports FSB 1333, so let's just assume, for the sake of argument that the OP got the E4500. Then 11x333=3.66 GHz (ignoring RAM constraint for a moment). The OP is already running 3.2 GHz with the Pentium D 805, which is dual core. Therefore, we're getting hardly any additional speed here, for the price that we're looking at. And we're not getting any additional cores either.

With my inital post of E5200, at 12.5 multiplier by 333FSB would give you 4.16 GHz, which would be a worthy and cheap upgrade for $83, if it worked at all. But given that the true constraint here is actually the mobo and RAM, the OP is better off just getting a whole new rig if speed for gaming was the objective. Unfortunately, there's not much room to upgrade here on the cheap because the system is already pretty maxed out (already running at 20x multiplier).

The E7200 has a 9.5 multiplier and at 333 FSB, that's only 3.16 GHz, slower than what the OP has now--so don't do it!

Sorry, rockerdish. If you've already bought that E7200 by now, can we make it up to you with some mobo and RAM recommendations?


you are forgetting that a core2duo or a pentium dual core have a much higher IPC than the Pentium D. A E5200 or E7300 at 3.0+GHZ is going to be much faster than the Pentium D at 3.2GHZ.

E5200 plus AC freezer 7 and 4gig DDR2 800 FTW!
January 13, 2009 5:34:55 AM

Silly me... +1 nismo86 FTW!

Thanks.
January 13, 2009 8:35:54 AM

Thanks everyone.... i am NOT BUYING A MOBO now! i may buy it later on and overclock it but as of now, i want to use my processor at stock settings. So, i think e7200 is my best bet as it is the fastet processor my mobo supports..

If later on e7200 seems slow, i would buy a GOOD mobo and a cooling unit and overclock it.But, not now.

And Will the 2GB DD2 800 ram be ALOT better than the 2GB DDR2 533, when used with stock cpu?I will buy it now only if i should see tremendous perf. increase.

And Pentium D is more like 2 pentium4 than a core 2 duo.... thats what i have heard. And as articles on tom's harware go, core 2 duo is expected to deliver better results with half the clock speed of pentium D.
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January 13, 2009 1:15:57 PM

Quote:
And Will the 2GB DD2 800 ram be ALOT better than the 2GB DDR2 533, when used with stock cpu?I will buy it now only if i should see tremendous perf. increase.


In average, 2-3% faster in applications.
January 13, 2009 2:13:03 PM

Memory change wouldn't need to happen untill you got a new mobo. higher grade mobo = upgraded memory with tighter timings.
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January 13, 2009 8:11:02 PM

rockerdish, the end result of a RAM upgrade would be minimal, like ghislaing said.

Since you want to go with the e7200 and keep it stock speeds, its stock FSB is 1066, or 266x4. This is actually convenient for your 533 MHz RAM which will need 266 FSB to hit 1:1 timings.

Lucky you! Enjoy the cheap upgrade. If/when you decide to OC, you can get the chip and board at 400Mhz FSB, and then you could benefit from DDR2800 running 1:1.
January 13, 2009 9:40:23 PM

As ghislaing pointed out, there's a potential problem with what your chipset would support; not all Core 2 Duo-support chipsets support all Core 2 Duo CPUs. Supposedly, the 945GC would support 45nm Wolfdale-core CPUs like the E7200 and E7300, but the higher-FSB speed E8x00 CPUs would be out of the question; the chipset was apparently designed and billed as a low-end option, so it's unsurprising if it lacks support for a number of higher-end CPUs and features.
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