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October 24, 2008 8:19:50 AM

Alright warriors I am in a predicament. I've built a few PC's over the last few years but I am undertaking a new build currently.

My budget is roughly 1000-1200$ US and I'm actually looking into building a Crossfire/Crossfire ready rig.

The first thing to note is the resolution that will be used. 1920x1200 24". Now that that's settled my ideal GPU.

I'm looking towards the 4870 and if budget allows, the 4870X2. One of these cards would most definitely satisfy and I could always get a second on the next paycheck. The problem is here:

I don't know what motherboard to get, cpu to get, ram, nothing anymore.

The last time I was up to date on hardware the 8800 640MB was like six hundred dollars if memory serves.

I've been looking into the e8400 because it looks absolutely promising.

Thanks all, I await your replies.

Josh

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October 24, 2008 8:52:50 AM

The E8400 is good for gaming, the Q6600 is also good and gets better if you plan to overclock.

If you plan to use a single GPU, then look for a P45 chipset motherboard (Asus P5Q Pro for example). If you plan to crossfire in the future, then look for an X38 chipset motherboard since you are on a budget.

For the RAM, I'd suggest Mushkin's DDR2 at 800mhz with 1.8V and 5-4-4-12 timings, it is very good. And as for the Hard Drive, Western Digital's 640GB (WD6400AAKS) is off the charts in speed and very cheap/large too.

E8400: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm not sure if you'll be able to fit in a 4870x2 in there with the budget, but I'm also not sure how well it will work on a P45 chipset.
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October 24, 2008 9:40:52 AM

Thanks icyice for the quick reply. if I weren't on a budget what cpu/mobo should I be looking for?
October 24, 2008 11:00:06 AM

if you don't have a budget...

you can either get the E8600 if you want a duo, or the Q9550(E0) if you're going quad.

the mobo you would use would be the X48 chipset. the P45 chipset is good for a single card solution but if you crossfirex them, the two PCI-e lanes would split into two 8x lanes. if you were to use a single lane with one slotted card, it would be the full 16x.

the X38/48 however doesn't have this problem as it is considered a more "enthusiast" board. even when you Xfire, both lanes will be at the full 16x speed.
October 24, 2008 11:02:34 AM

X48 - ~$200-220
4870x2 - ~$550
RAM - 2x2GB DDR2 800 at 1.8v - ~$50-70
WD 640 GB HDD - $75
DVD drive (SATA) - $25
Case - your choice
PSU - PC Power and Cooling or Corsair - $80-$120 or so
E8400 - $165

That's a little over 1200 with no case.

Those are just estimates and suggestions.

You can save some if you go with a P45 mobo.

October 24, 2008 11:10:58 AM

wow. i got voted down because i answered his question on if he doesn't have a budget, what cpu/mobo should he be looking for? and for explaining the difference between P45 and X38/48? -_- gg
October 24, 2008 11:57:22 AM

Crazy that you got voted down.

I would suggest against the E8600 if on a budget - it's not worth the extra x1 multiplier (In my opinion) for $100. Go for the E8400 and overclock for that kind of difference.

He did mention the budget - I believe it's in the title.
October 24, 2008 12:21:55 PM

huron said:
Crazy that you got voted down.

I would suggest against the E8600 if on a budget - it's not worth the extra x1 multiplier (In my opinion) for $100. Go for the E8400 and overclock for that kind of difference.

He did mention the budget - I believe it's in the title.

heh, thanks for backing me up. i did read the title of his post, but what i replied to was his later post which states:


AlphaOmegaX said:
Thanks icyice for the quick reply. if I weren't on a budget what cpu/mobo should I be looking for?

so i replied to him with my answer, which got voted down.

but thanks anyways :] cheers.
October 24, 2008 12:43:34 PM

+1 on that Mushkin 1.8v RAM. Fwiw, I neutered that silly -1 vote on a perfectly reasonable answer.
I'd go P45. Not that I would ever Crossfire myself (not a pro gamer), but isn't a pair of x8 lanes not likely to become an issue for some time yet?
That would let you add a case like the CoolerMaster RC-690 to Huron's list.
October 24, 2008 1:07:42 PM

Thanks a ton guys. Probably one of the few forums now that isn't full of jerks. I'll take everything into consideration, I'm definitely trying to keep it around 1200 or so.

Yay for credit card debt!

No no, I'm not maxing one out, I'm paying one off.

Anyways, again all. Thanks. I'll let you know what I decide.

If I were to game in 1920x1080 as opposed to my first idea, would performance suffer greatly from not getting the 4870X2 as opposed to getting the 4870 and eventually just crossfiring later?

Also, if I were to get the P45 and go with the single gpu X2 would I really ever regret not getting the crossfire ready mobo?

October 24, 2008 1:28:21 PM

+1 for X48, WD 640GB AAKS, PC Power & Cooling/Corsair. As far as GPUs go a 4870 or better(CrossFire?). Quad if doing multi tasking(ie. video editing,etc) dual if gaming.
October 24, 2008 1:33:03 PM

Now, looking through newegg currently and I'm liking the price 299.99, 269.99 after rebate on the MSI 1GB 4870 (Free game woo) Anyways that's that and I think I'd be satisfied.

Now he X48 vs the P45

In the event I'm going to settle on a single gpu configuration.

Vote?

Also, the memory standard on the P5Q p45 board is DDR 1200.

Now this is where I'm confused, the FSB is 1066/1333 so can I run 1066 or 1333 ram or is my minimum 1200? I'm very lost here.

These numbers are higher than I remember lol.

Thanks guys.
October 24, 2008 1:35:36 PM

If you are going single GPU, go for the P45. If you want the second GPU, the P45 will provide x8 x8 bandwidth, instead of x16.
October 24, 2008 1:36:24 PM

huron said:
If you are going single GPU, go for the P45. If you want the second GPU, the P45 will provide x8 x8 bandwidth, instead of x16.

Thanks.

And it looks like I could run 1066 DDR2 correct?

And my final question.

I've seen pc power & cooling/corsair for psu.

What about Ultra?

Also, going to try to squeeze this in an Antec 900

Was originally looking at coolermaster centurion 5
October 24, 2008 1:57:27 PM

+1 for the Antec900 but i doubt you'd be squeezing it! Remember, it has no dust filters though.
Yeah you can still run that RAM on a p45 if that's what you were asking.

I'd definatley go with a Corsair or other Tier1 PSU. You don't want to skimp on cash there - Corsair 650W is only £50, but that obviously won't apply to you.

I'd personally get a p45 mobo and a 4870x2, especially if you're planning to xfire. CPU is a matter of preference, but if you're prepared to read up a little on overclocking, a Q6660 clocked to 3ghz+ is probably the best bet.
October 24, 2008 1:59:51 PM

Edit:

"especially if you're planning to xfire anyway."
October 24, 2008 2:02:25 PM

fruees said:
Edit:

"especially if you're planning to xfire anyway."

After doing a bit of reading and thinking, I'm thinking definitely single slot gpu. Seems more price/performance better.

Also considering the Q6600. It looks like people believe it to be more future proof am I correct?

So many things to consider when building a pc now days

Jesus.

Also, I hate to be asking so many questions but I feel like my head is going to explode. Literally, right now.

So many things to think of.

I'm reading things like "gaming situation, 8400 might perform better in most apps, but later q6600 may end up true winner when games start really supporting multi core cpus"

HOLY HELL. HELP
October 24, 2008 2:14:43 PM

You just said it yourself:

"gaming situation, 8400 might perform better in most apps, but later q6600 may end up true winner when games start really supporting multi core cpus"

Don't worry about the questions man, everyone was in exactly the same position as you at one time!

I have a q6660 and a 4870x2 on an Abit ip35 pro, overclocked (after reading up about it at uni for a day) to 3ghz easily.
I think that it's a natural progression to go from dual core to quad core, given that it is theoretically twice as capable. This isn't the case yet as Qcore based games are still in the early stages, and currently dual core processors are cheaper and faster in a game-only situation. Decide for yourself mate
October 24, 2008 2:22:02 PM

Okay! I've decided.

Part/Link

Case: Antec 900 / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: ASUS PQ5 P45 / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Q6600 / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: MSI 4870 1GB / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: G-Skill DDR2 1066 / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD 640 AAKS / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: Samsung / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Corsair / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Okay, I already have plenty of good sata cables and all that. This looks about right.

I'm iffy on the gpu and ram, any suggestions there are more than welcome. This total before tax / shipping = 1021.92

65 dollars in rebates. & the psu after the save code is about 110 or so and 90 after the rebate.

With tax & shipping this build comes to 1108.81

Again, ram/gpu suggestions are more than welcome!
October 24, 2008 2:33:03 PM

This build comes in right around your $1200 budget.

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $26.99

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $319.99

GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $224.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 -$20.00 MIR

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $67.99 -$20.00 MIR

SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $309.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-nine-hundred-steel-atx-mi... $99.24


Total $1,244.17 -$40.00 MIR's = $1204.17 :) 

You could go with an E8400 and 4870x2 for about $100 more. I would just stick with the above. The 4870 1GB card is awesome and this setup is ready for another one when you need it without any additional upgrades.

Don't forget a 64-bit OS to use all 4GB of RAM.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99
October 24, 2008 2:40:08 PM

Thanks shortstuff, I already have the OS so I don't have to worry about that. Also, I have a dvd burner that I may just take from this pc and swap in the new one.

I don't believe I'll need the q9550 seeing as the price difference is about 100+

Now, why the X48 as Opposed to the p45? I don't really see myself crossfiring now after the extensive reading I've been doing.

Again I'm looking at the 4870X2

I mean hell, for 550...

I'd have a card I really wouldn't need to upgrade for...a LONG time.

Right?
October 24, 2008 3:02:06 PM

Your post hadn't showed up when I started my reply. The list you came up with would be fine.

The Q9550 is a great CPU, but if it's not worth the price to you that's fine.

I picked the X48 chipset just because it fit in the budget and allows full speed crossfire in the future. That's also the reason I picked a 750W PSU. I like the idea of being able to add a 2nd GPU without slowing it down with a 8x link speed or having to upgrade other parts to make it work.
October 24, 2008 3:03:39 PM

Thanks!

Now the real debate.

4870 vs X2...

Damn my brain.

Do I really need ram 1066? Or would i get by with 800 and be able to oc stable.

Man I'm fried.

October 24, 2008 3:19:45 PM

If you get the Q6600, you don't need DDR2-1066, unless you are planning on getting a newer processor later on. The FSB for the Q6600 is 266 MHZ.
DDR2-800 should be plenty of overclocking room.
October 24, 2008 3:21:58 PM

No, you don't need 1066 RAM. If you are going to OC, you can OC your DDR2 800 RAM as well.

Did you get the link earlier where there was a 4870x2 for $469.99 with the promo code. That's a good deal.

That 4870 vs 4870x2 is up to you. I am sure you'll be delighted by either.
October 24, 2008 3:26:42 PM

Thanks once more. Yes Huron thank you. I did indeed get the promo code, but odds are I'll be ordering this whole build after the 1st.

Shame really.

Good to know I can go for some good old 800 :D 

Also, would it be worth it to just get the OEM Q6600 instead of the retail version with stock cooler if I was hoping to add a tuniq tower 120 anyways? It would save me ten dollars?
October 24, 2008 4:42:32 PM

Yes, get the OEM if you are getting a cooler also. Although OEM have a 30 day warranty. Retail products have a 3 year warranty.
Personally, I have never had to return a processor.
October 24, 2008 4:43:56 PM

10 dollars more just for the peace of mind may be worth it.

I don't want to be that 1 in 1,000,000 guy that gets the bad processor after 31 days :) 

Thanks evongugg
!