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October 27, 2008 6:36:23 PM

Here are the parts I need

Motherboard:
CPU:
RAM:
Case And power supply:
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 - 168 $

Only 332$ to spend on the rest unless get a diffrent graphics card but i like its price and performance

The games i play are : battle field 2, cs, wow planning to buy wotlk as well and want some decent fps during raids like 40

And a question on my os should i go with xp or vista?

More about : 500 bucks spend 4850 gpu

October 27, 2008 6:59:01 PM

The HD4850 is a great card but $332 for a cpu , mobo, ram , case and psu can't be done with a HD4850 because in order to run a HD4850 you would need a good psu and that is just not in the budget.

It won,t do you any good to have one highend part if the rest is mainstream as the gpu would be bottlenecked anyway.

for 100 to 200 more you could have a good system with a HD4850
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October 27, 2008 7:05:37 PM

^+1 priv
October 27, 2008 7:13:31 PM

Nicely done Priv.
October 27, 2008 7:17:06 PM

Cool Master 690 Case & 80+ Certified PSU w/ AFC and Good Reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$100

Combo - AR = $145
E5200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
BIOStar - P43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2GB RAM - $12 After Rebate.
===========================================
$297 Before Rebate $257 After Rebate Rebate

Leaves Room to Upgrade Mobo, RAM, etc....


http://techreport.com/articles.x/13271/9
October 27, 2008 7:17:20 PM


Nice build there. I'd get the Antec 550w one. It's plenty and would save $25!!
Antec NeoPower 550 550W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

Combo page link. You can pick just about any combo here if you like. I'd stay away from the Basiq PSU's, but the Earthwatts ones are good too (430w would be the better one to get for the 4850 over the 380w one).

I'd go with Vista Home Premium 64bit for the OS, so you can take advantage of the 4 gb's of DDR2. This will also let you upgrade the RAM later and not have to switch OS's to take advantage of the added RAM.
October 27, 2008 7:28:17 PM

The 650W would have a bit more room for a GPU upgrade in 2 or 3 years though.
October 27, 2008 7:32:25 PM

zenmaster said:
Cool Master 690 Case & 80+ Certified PSU w/ AFC and Good Reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$100

Combo - AR = $145
E5200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
BIOStar - P43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2GB RAM - $12 After Rebate.
===========================================
$297 Before Rebate $257 After Rebate Rebate

Leaves Room to Upgrade Mobo, RAM, etc....


http://techreport.com/articles.x/13271/9

Are you talking about this memory:
$37 - $25 MIR = $12!! Runs at 2.1v is the only detail that I'd be concerned about. Just need to make sure the mobo can do voltage adjustments for the memory, which by the Newegg reviews it has adjustments. The online manual states that you can adjust the voltage, but doesn't say what the limits are. Should be 1.8-2.2v I would believe.
OCZ SLI-Ready 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

The only thing that I'm just a bit concerned on is the Cooler Master PSU. It is probably fine, but I'd feel comfortable getting the Antec PSU, IMHO.
October 27, 2008 7:32:32 PM

Nice work Priv and Lunyone. That's a tight budget and you guys did well.
October 27, 2008 8:00:46 PM

one thing about the mobos the gpu is 2.0 x16 can that run under pci x16? i heard it can but it reduces the performance of the graphics card so should i downgrade to a 4670? and get a better mobo? since my games aint really high tech
October 27, 2008 8:04:38 PM

That budget isn't as low as it looks. Here's a list of quality parts that comes in under budget:

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $83.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $86.99 (This board has PCI Express 2.0 x16)

Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail & Antec NeoPower 550 (combo deal)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N... $84.94

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $66.99 -$20.00 MIR


Total $322.91 -$20.00 MIR

Edit: You might even be able to squeeze in an E7200/E7300 if you take MIR's into account.
October 27, 2008 8:13:12 PM

Does the E5200 outperform the AMD X2 5000+? Cant be bothered to check benchmarks. Basicly ram and case/psu is not much of a choice.
October 27, 2008 8:18:57 PM

lunyone said:
I'd go with Vista Home Premium 64bit for the OS, so you can take advantage of the 4 gb's of DDR2. This will also let you upgrade the RAM later and not have to switch OS's to take advantage of the added RAM.


+1 for Vista Home Premium 64-bit

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99
October 27, 2008 8:32:39 PM

Priv said:
Does the E5200 outperform the AMD X2 5000+? Cant be bothered to check benchmarks. Basicly ram and case/psu is not much of a choice.

Yea, a 2.5GHz Intel chip beats a 2.6GHz AMD chip at the moment. If you consider overclocking also it's no contest.

The OP should consider the E7200 for an extra $36. It puts it just a little over budget before MIR's and under after MIR's. Games really like as much cache as they can get.
Anonymous
October 27, 2008 8:35:27 PM

Here is my latest suggestion if your bent on the 4850 chipset, some changes to zenmaster's original build:

BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with combo
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think its worth the extra $24 to upgrade to the E7200
$182.98

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with combo
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$227.98

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKA1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Real Power Pro 550W Power Supply (zenmaster, great find... this is by far the best case/psu combo out there)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$99.99

Total of $510.95
-$ 60 in mail in rebates
= $450.95
October 27, 2008 8:37:38 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
That budget isn't as low as it looks. Here's a list of quality parts that comes in under budget:

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $83.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $86.99 (This board has PCI Express 2.0 x16)

Antec Three Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail & Antec NeoPower 550 (combo deal)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N... $84.94

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $66.99 -$20.00 MIR


Total $322.91 -$20.00 MIR

Edit: You might even be able to squeeze in an E7200/E7300 if you take MIR's into account.

Yeah that is a better build than the AMD one. I can't seem to find the combo deal with the 5000+. There are AMD builds that will beat Intel builds price wise, but will be hard streached to equal the performance of the C2D's, espeically if you OC either of them! Personally I'd stick with the e5200 and just OC it to 3-3.4 ghz and save the $36 for other parts or whatever you like.
October 27, 2008 8:40:02 PM

That's actually a good system Slomo4shO, I'd go with that over the one I built.
October 27, 2008 8:45:11 PM

I don't like the looks of that OCZ RAM. The E5200 has a 12.5x multiplier so there is no need for 1066 RAM. It also requires 2.1v to get 5-5-5-18 timings. If you go with the Mushkin RAM you'll be right at your budget.
October 27, 2008 9:02:37 PM

what about the g skill?
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $55
October 27, 2008 9:05:08 PM

Quote:
Here is my latest suggestion if your bent on the 4850 chipset, some changes to zenmaster's original build:

BIOSTAR TForce TP43D2A7 LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with combo
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think its worth the extra $24 to upgrade to the E7200
$182.98

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
with combo
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$227.98

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKA1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Real Power Pro 550W Power Supply (zenmaster, great find... this is by far the best case/psu combo out there)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$99.99


Total of $510.95
-$ 60 in mail in rebates
= $450.95

That PSU/Case combo has $30 shipping to it. The Antec 300/Antec Neo 550w one for $96 shipped ($85 +$11 shipping) is a much better deal, if you ask me. The Cooler Master case is a better one, but I'd rather have the Antec PSU over the Cooler Master PSU, ANY DAY!! Not to say the Cooler Master PSU can't do the job, but the quality of Antec PSU's in the past and currently are better than the Cooler Master ones, IMHO. So the $34 less Antec combo will give you more Amps on the 12v rails too. Antec has 42A on the 12v rails (which is really just 1 rail) and the Cooler Master has 36A on the 12v rails.
Cooler Master PSU sticker:


Antec Neo 550w PSU sticker:


Now the Cooler Master PSU is built pretty good, I'm just saying that you get more Amps on the 12v rails and it costs less, so I'm not sure why (when on a budget) you would want to get the CM 550w PSU??
October 27, 2008 9:11:48 PM

It was nearly 50% over the stated budget!
Priv, you and lunyone found some great builds. If shipping isn't too bad, or there's the least bit of wiggle room, then the refinement by shortstuff would be the way I'd go. That Mushkin RAM is the one to get; good timings and runs at the JEDEC standard 1.8V.
October 27, 2008 9:23:39 PM



I would change the CPU and MB combo to this one

BIOSTAR TFORCE TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Combo $172

Since the Athlon 6000 is a a bit faster and the 790GX board will allow you to crossfire that 4850 latter on. That would raise your price to $339, well before shipping anyway :D .
October 27, 2008 9:41:25 PM

E7200 with combo deal Biostar TP43 $183
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

a truly ugly Raidmax case with decent cooling $32 after rebate and free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ 2x1 GB DDR2 800 RAM 1.8v $17 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Earthwatts 500w $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire HD4850 $140 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Under $500 after shipping not counting the $60 in rebates

If you get to count rebates, you can get the E8500 with that same motherboard and make budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Anonymous
October 27, 2008 9:43:12 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
I don't like the looks of that OCZ RAM. The E5200 has a 12.5x multiplier so there is no need for 1066 RAM. It also requires 2.1v to get 5-5-5-18 timings. If you go with the Mushkin RAM you'll be right at your budget.



My build actually included the E7200 over the E5200 so the extra ram speed would be utilized.

With the combo deal the ram comes out to be $67.99 before rebates and $37.99 after rebates...

He could potentally go with:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
but would cost $42 more after rebates.
October 27, 2008 9:54:09 PM

Intel CPU's run most efficient with a 1:1 memory ratio. The FSB on Intel CPU's is quad pumped which means the E7200's 1066MHz FSB is 266MHz quad pumped. That means a stock E7200 would only require DDR2 533 RAM if you ran it at a 1:1 ratio. The E7200 has a 9.5x multiplier which means DDR2 800 RAM will allow it to run at 3.8GHz while keeping the RAM at a 1:1 ratio. There is no need for RAM rated above 1066 unless you are planning an extreme OC.

Nice DDR2 800 RAM with tight timings and low voltage is a smarter buy than DDR2 1066 RAM anyday for the current Intel chips.
October 27, 2008 10:30:17 PM

+1 on shortstuff memory comments. Why waste $ on DDR2 1066mHz, when in reality 99% of OC's don't even get to 1066mHz speeds. DDR2 800mHz Cas4 timings is all that you'll really need on the Intel build.
If your FSB is adjusted up to 400mHz (DDR2 speed is FSB x 2 = 800mHz), you would be at 400 FSB x 9.5 multiplier = 3800 mHz or 3.8 gHz. And that is without even OC'ing your 800 mHz DDR2!
Most DDR2 800mHz RAM will OC to about 900-950 mHz, so if we assumed that you wanted to OC to that speed you would get: 450 FSB (450 FSB x 2 = 900 mHz DDR2 speed) x 9.5 multiplier = 4275 mHz or 4.2 gHz.
Now you would need some serious cooling on the CPU to run at that level, plus I'm sure you would need to adjust the CPU voltage and possibly the chipset would need voltage adjustments to run anywhere need that speed. In reality most people are going to run in the 3.2-3.8 gHz range to keep stability up and temperatures down!!
Anonymous
October 27, 2008 10:38:50 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
Intel CPU's run most efficient with a 1:1 memory ratio. The FSB on Intel CPU's is quad pumped which means the E7200's 1066MHz FSB is 266MHz quad pumped. That means a stock E7200 would only require DDR2 533 RAM if you ran it at a 1:1 ratio. The E7200 has a 9.5x multiplier which means DDR2 800 RAM will allow it to run at 3.8GHz while keeping the RAM at a 1:1 ratio. There is no need for RAM rated above 1066 unless you are planning an extreme OC.

Nice DDR2 800 RAM with tight timings and low voltage is a smarter buy than DDR2 1066 RAM anyday for the current Intel chips.


G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
would run $44.99 and save $23 from the original build costs prior to mail in rebates, would still cost $7.00 after mail in rebates.

If power is a concern than yes, its better to with the 800MHz memory, but otherwise I would be just as happy with 1066MHz as I can toss in a E8400 later on and toss in another 4 gigs of ram to give my system another year or so before having to rebuild.

The motherboard has plenty of options for expansion so I usually tend to try get components that would last me at least 3-4 years before having to do a major upgrade.

My current Athlon 64 is running near its end(Diablo 3 still shouldn't be too bad on this machine) so I am back in the market to build soon :) 
October 28, 2008 12:36:22 AM

In order to run your memory at stock speeds, you'll need the FSB at 533 mHz with a 1:1 setting. I'm not saying the 1066mHz RAM is bad, but why spend the $ now when even 667mHz DDR2 will do just fine too?? That was the point that I was trying to make in my above post. All your doing by buying 1066mHz RAM right now is having bragging rights (if that really matters to you).
Anonymous
October 28, 2008 1:10:00 AM

lunyone said:
In order to run your memory at stock speeds, you'll need the FSB at 533 mHz with a 1:1 setting. I'm not saying the 1066mHz RAM is bad, but why spend the $ now when even 667mHz DDR2 will do just fine too?? That was the point that I was trying to make in my above post. All your doing by buying 1066mHz RAM right now is having bragging rights (if that really matters to you).


I understand your point, my point was simply that the 1066MHz ram is actually cheaper than any 800MHz alternative.

This is not about bragging rights by any means. Economically, after rebates, the said ram is cheaper than any 800MHz out there. So to me, it makes sense to buy the ram now because not only is it cheaper but it will help give the machine a greater lifespan.

If I were going with a different GPU, then by all means a 800MHz stick would be cheaper and a better choice.
October 28, 2008 1:22:12 AM

Ahhh, I see your point. I didn't realize that you were talking about the combo deal that puts it at $197 - $45 MIR's = $152!!! Yeah that is hard to beat than. The only nit pick on that deal is the RAM runs at 2.1v and is CAS5 speeds (5-5-5-18), so not a big deal if your mobo can adjust the RAM voltage up. Just ran into a situation where that wasn't possible, so that is the only reason I bring that up. Which if he gets the Biostar Mobo listed above, he should be fine. The manual just doesn't specify what the voltage adjusts too.
October 28, 2008 7:30:13 AM

Well you can underclock your memory lunyone to run 1:1, so instead of having it run at 1066 have it run at 800 with 4-4-4-12 timings. Or even 667 to have it run 1:1 on a stock speed E7200.
October 28, 2008 10:02:52 PM

Yeah I figured that you can do that too, I was trying to make a point about 800mHz RAM or 1066mHz RAM, but the price with the combo deal on the 4850 and 2x1 gb's 1066mHz RAM was the part that I was originally missing in the arguement. :)  If the 1066mHz RAM was more expensive than the 800mHz RAM, than my point would've been correct.
October 28, 2008 11:16:07 PM

But the 1066 RAM doesn't run on 1.8V. If you're going to buy it, at the very least buy a single 512MB stick of 1.8V RAM too so you can at least get into your BIOS to tweak the voltage. Heck, whatever is cheapest, even DDR2-667 or -533; think of it as an insurance policy.