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From AMD Reports Fourth Quarter and Annual Results:

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In the fourth quarter of 2008, AMD reported a net loss of $1.424 billion, or $2.34 per share. For continuing operations, fourth quarter 2008 loss was $1.414 billion, or $2.32 per share, and the operating loss was $1.274 billion. The results for continuing operations include an unfavorable impact of $996 million, or $1.64 per share as described in the table below. Loss from discontinued operations was $10 million, or $0.02 a share.

For the year ended December 27, 2008, AMD achieved revenue of $5.808 billion. Fiscal 2008 net loss was $3.098 billion. AMD reported revenue of $5.858 billion and a net loss of $3.379 billion for fiscal 2007



Worse than the Street expected 54 cents per share loss...

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Also, an interesting "cautionary statement" from AMD:

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This release contains forward-looking statements concerning the expected closing of The Foundry Company joint venture and the increased investment by the Mubadala Development Company, first quarter 2009 revenue, and the company’s breakeven goals, restructuring actions, asset smart strategy and its future products and technologies, which are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are commonly identified by words such as “would,” “may,” “expects,” “believes,” “plans,” “intends,” “projects,” and other terms with similar meaning.

Investors are cautioned that the forward-looking statements in this release are based on current beliefs, assumptions and expectations, speak only as of the date of this release and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations. Risks include the possibility that Intel Corporation’s pricing, marketing and rebating programs, product bundling, standard setting, new product introductions or other activities targeting the company’s business will prevent attainment of the company’s current plans; global business and economic conditions will continue in their current state or worsen, resulting in lower than currently expected revenue in the first quarter of 2009 and beyond; the company’s Asset Smart strategy will not reach fruition or will be less beneficial than anticipated; the announced transaction for the formation of The Foundry Company and the associated fourth-party investment will not occur as anticipated; demand for computers and consumer electronics products and, in turn, demand for the company’s products will be lower than currently expected; customers stop buying the company’s products or materially reduce their demand for its products; the company will require additional funding and may not be able to raise funds on favorable terms or at all; the company’s restructuring efforts will not be effective; the company will be unable to develop, launch and ramp new products and technologies in the volumes and mix required by the market and at mature yields on a timely basis; there will be unexpected variations in market growth and demand for the company’s products and technologies in light of the product mix that it may have available at any particular time or a decline in demand; the company will be unable to transition to advanced manufacturing process technologies in a timely and effective way, consistent with planned capital expenditures; the company will be unable to maintain the level of investment in research and development and capacity that is required to remain competitive; and the company will be unable to obtain sufficient manufacturing capacity or components to meet demand for its products or will under-utilize its microprocessor manufacturing facilities.



Looks like AMD is putting in lots of disclaimers about the Abu Dhabi deal, in case it doesn't go through and investors file a lawsuit.

Reply to fazers_on_stun

Nothing new here this same thing is happening across the board in different degree's with all companies right now.

Like i said earlier its still going to get worse before it gets better this isnt nearly as bad as some of the losses ive seen from companies like Sony and such only difference is they are in a better situation finacially but still have taken a large hit and to me a hit is a hit.

Doom and Gloom DOOM AND GLOOM!


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Sony Expects $3 Billion dollar lose

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By DAVID JOLLY
Published: January 22, 2009
Sony, the Japanese electronics company, said Thursday that it expected to post a record annual operating loss of nearly $3 billion because of the rapid deterioration of the global economy. It also announced a major restructuring that will include layoffs and factory closings.

“The massive economic upheaval being experienced across the world is sparing no one in the consumer electronics world,” the Sony chief executive, Howard Stringer, said at a Tokyo news conference.

Mr. Stringer said the main problem had been “a significant deterioration” in the company’s core electronics division. But business worsened across every major line, including games, movies and financial services, even as competition from Apple’s iPhone and Nintendo’s Wii game console turn up the heat.

The economic crisis has reduced demand for Sony’s products, like televisions and cameras, movies and PlayStation 3 game consoles, even as the rise of the yen against other currencies reduces the value of its overseas sales when the proceeds are converted into yen.

Additionally, Mr. Stringer said, “consumer credit has been stifled,” and “some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated.”

Sony is hardly alone. In November, its Japanese rival, Panasonic, revised its annual sales forecast downward by 700 billion yen. LG Electronics, the South Korean cellphone maker, reported a fourth-quarter net loss of nearly $500 million on Thursday. And Samsung Electronics, which reports its earnings Friday, is expected to post its first quarterly net loss ever.

Sony, long one of Japan’s most internationally visible companies, was long seen as a leader in consumer electronics, owing in part to products like the Sony Walkman. But it is facing threats from a range of competitors as the lines between software and electronics companies begins to blur.

“Our playing field has changed,” Mr. Stringer said. “Sony is no longer competing solely with traditional Japanese electronics companies. Samsung and LG have now broadened their product portfolios,” while they gain some protection from the global downturn by the weakness of the South Korean currency, the won, he added.

“At the same time,” Mr. Stringer said, “Apple, Microsoft and even Cisco are aggressively positioning themselves to anchor the digital home.”

Thursday’s announcement was the second downward revision Sony has made to its current-year forecast; it made a similar move in October. Sony executives said the top three managers would forgo their bonuses this year. In addition, bonuses and salaries will be reduced for other senior executives and corporate managers.

The company projects an operating loss of 260 billion yen, about $2.9 billion, for the current business year, compared with a profit of 475.3 billion yen a year earlier. The new estimate represents a deterioration of 60 billion yen from the October forecast. Sony’s business year runs from April through March. It will report its results for the October-December quarter on Jan. 29.

The dollar has fallen nearly 20 percent against the yen since mid-August, while the euro has lost almost 30 percent in the same period.

“The operating loss is much bigger than I expected,” Nobuo Kurahashi, an analyst at Mizuho Investors Securities told Reuters. “They may soon announce additional restructuring steps, as what’s already out there is not that drastic. I cannot help but have a negative impression from all of this.”

The company said it expected to book restructuring charges of 60 billion yen this year and 110 billion yen next year as it works to cut 250 billion yen in costs next year.

The biggest share of the operating loss is expected to come at Sony’s television operations, which have been losing money for years. The company said it would cut about 1,000 Japanese contract workers as it closed design and manufacturing operations at its plant in Ichinomiya, Japan, and consolidated production at a plant in Inazawa.

Sony will also start an early retirement program “supporting employees to take up new opportunities beyond the Sony group” and said it was planning a “significant reduction” in marketing and other expenses.

The early retirements may include some of the job cuts announced in December, when Sony said it would lay off 8,000 workers and close as many as six plants.

The company said that for the current fiscal year it expected sales to fall 13 percent from last year, to 7.7 trillion yen, and that it expected a net loss of 150 billion yen — its first net loss in 14 years — in contrast to a profit of 369.4 billion a year earlier.

Sony has faced major reversals in the past but has managed to come back stronger. The company acquired Columbia Pictures and Tristar in 1989, but eventually recognized that it had overpaid and wrote down $3.2 billion five years later. That was the last time the company posted a net loss.

Sony shares fell 2.6 percent in Tokyo. The company announced its new forecast after the close of trading in Tokyo. The stock has declined by nearly 65 percent in the last 12 months.


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Reply to xx12amanxx

The 4th quarter pretty much sucked for everyone.

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In further newsMarket Report

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Advanced Micro misses on top and bottom line Reports Q4 (Dec) loss of $0.68 per share, excluding non-recurring items, $0.14 worse than the First Call consensus of ($0.54); revenues fell 33.1% year/year to $1.16 bln vs the $1.23 bln consensus. In light of the current macroeconomic conditions, very limited visibility and continued corrections in the supply chain, AMD expects 1Q09 revenue to decrease from the 4Q08. (Q1 consensus calls for a 13% sequential decline in revs) "We remain focused on further reducing our breakeven point through targeted restructuring actions while ensuring we execute our highly-competitive product and technology roadmaps. We made significant progress toward the creation of 'The Foundry Company' in the quarter, and anticipate closing the transaction in February. We expect our ongoing restructuring actions and asset smart strategy, combined with the strength of our innovative product offerings, will leave us well positioned for a global market recovery."




Reply to fazers_on_stun

Sony is a sh1tty company, their loses are welcome. They havnt made a good product since the 80s.

 

As far as OT, billions of $ in losses is never good. The economy has little to do with this, as AMD has been on this same trend for awhile.

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And another item: AMD rejects Intel's legal argument

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Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD:Advanced Micro Devices, Inc on Thursday said it is rejecting rival Intel Corp.'s legal argument that the creation of The Foundry Company and its acquisition of ATI Technologies breached some provisions in cross-licensing agreements between the two giants. Intel had asked for a meeting in a Jan. letter, according to an AMD filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. AMD Spokesman Drew Prairie said "the letter is another attempt by our competitor to cause uncertainty as we approach our Asset Smart deal closing next month."



Now I wonder what Intel is going to do next. Does AMD have the cash needed for a big court battle over the x86 license?

Reply to fazers_on_stun

spathotan wrote :

Sony is a sh1tty company, their loses are welcome. They havnt made a good product since the 80s.

As far as OT, billions of $ in losses is never good. The economy has little to do with this, as AMD has been on this same trend for awhile.



Hmm, personally I like Sony TVs - esp. after my Sharp Aquos crapped out about 6 months after the warranty expired :).

AMD's "continuing operations" losses were only about 69 cents per share, or $420M, less than the $500M I had guessed a few days ago, but more than the Street's estimate of about $320M. Most of the rest of the posted losses were the ATI writedown saga - I think they've written over $4B off now, of the $5.4B purchase, not including the "goodwill".

Interestingly enough, the market reports show even the ATI division had decreased earnings, which reverses the positive income it earned in the 3rd quarter.

After-hours trading so far just shows a modest 4% drop in the share price. I expect any big drops to occur tomorrow during regular trading, when the instituional traders digest the outlook for this quarter. According to CEO Dirk Meyer, "industry visibility is poor."

Reply to fazers_on_stun

I've notice JDJ has not ben in these theads to speak
about AMD's profits or lack ther of lol.

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10% is worrysome, and who knows about AMD? May be worse, may be same, or possibly better? Theyre already on the low end anyways, so the effects will show less % wise in the negative, and more in the positive





Theres nothing positive about this JDJ !!!



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From AMD Reports Fourth Quarter and Annual Results:


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In the fourth quarter of 2008, AMD reported a net loss of $1.424 billion, or $2.34 per share. For continuing operations, fourth quarter 2008 loss was $1.414 billion, or $2.32 per share, and the operating loss was $1.274 billion. The results for continuing operations include an unfavorable impact of $996 million, or $1.64 per share as described in the table below. Loss from discontinued operations was $10 million, or $0.02 a share.

For the year ended December 27, 2008, AMD achieved revenue of $5.808 billion. Fiscal 2008 net loss was $3.098 billion. AMD reported revenue of $5.858 billion and a net loss of $3.379 billion for fiscal 2007









Nothing at all.

Reply to jed

jdj prolly hasnt posted because there is nothing new here.

Reply to roofus

Looking at AMD's filing now posted on their website, total assets have decreased by almost $4B from 2007 to 2008, whereas liabilities have only gone down $400M, or about 10% of the decrease in assets. Current assets also down by about 50% from 2007. Of those current assets, cash & securities on hand decreased from $1.9B in 2007 to $1.1B in 2008.

Clearly this trend cannot continue for more than a year, without AMD borrowing more (unlikely in current economy), selling off ATI, or the Abu Dhabi deal getting done (and Intel is again questioning the x86 license provisions if the spinoff occurs). I think we'll have a fairly clear picture of what is going to become of AMD in the next 2 quarters. Some analysts are predicting the recession will turn around by this summer, which would relieve a great deal of pressure on AMD. If the sour economy continues on until this time next year, I would guess AMD will be bankrupt by then.

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