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Very low 3DMarks for my 9800GTX+

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November 27, 2008 3:38:13 AM

I just got a new BFG 9800GTX+ OCE (overclocked edition).

I got the following results at default settings (1280x1024) with 3DMark2006 v1.1.0:

SM 2.0 Score 2807
SM 3.0 Score 3903
CPU Score 1383
3DMark Score 6900 3DMarks


According to graphs on Tom's Hardware, the results for 9800GTX should be:

SM 2.0 Score 5700
SM 3.0 Score 5731
3DMark Score 12042 3DMarks


My system spec:

CPU:
Intel Pentium D 940 (@3212 MHz)

Graphics:
BFG GeForce 9800GTX+ OC
Core Clock 760MHz (vs. 738MHz standard)
Shader Clock 1890MHz (vs. 1836MHz standard)
Memory Data Rate 2250MHz (vs. 2200MHz standard)

RAM:
Module1: Kingston 1024 MB 666 MHz
Module2: OCZ 1024 MB 800 MHz
Module3: Kingston 1024 MB 666 MHz
Module4: OCZ 1024 MB 868 MHz (don't know why this isi being read as 868)

Motherboard:
Asus P5LD2-SE

PSU:
Corsair HX520W

I know the motherboard and CPU are a bit old (which I will upgrade later) but should this make such a big difference?

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November 27, 2008 4:06:38 AM

Extremely CPU limited.
November 27, 2008 4:24:39 AM

uhhhhh, the pentium D's were basically dual core p4's werent they... not too bad i guess, but not as good as a pentium dual core or core 2 :p 
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November 27, 2008 4:29:10 AM

easy- its the cpu
my 9800 GTX+ paired with a pentium D 820 gets about 6600 3D marks
get a core 2 duo 8400 and watch the score soar
November 27, 2008 11:26:19 AM

Yup. I have a 9800GTX+ with a modest E6600 CPU and it gets 11K.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2008 11:45:23 AM

Definelty, most definelty your Pentium D is the problem.
a c 79 U Graphics card
November 27, 2008 1:18:20 PM

yep, the low cpu score is a clear indicator that you're limited by the cpu. If the mobo supports core2duos get one of those, if not, then get a new mobo as well :D 
November 27, 2008 1:30:46 PM

Like everyone else said, get rid of that 1990s cpu and get a core 2 duo, or i7. You need to get a new motherboard and ram as well.

I have a i7 920 @ 3.8 on stock cooling and the CPU score is like 6500 by itself.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2008 4:40:17 PM

The mobo can support C2D up to E6700 and PC2 5300 RAM. That's good enough for that GPU.
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2008 7:27:46 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Like everyone else said, get rid of that 1990s cpu and get a core 2 duo, or i7. You need to get a new motherboard and ram as well.

I have a i7 920 @ 3.8 on stock cooling and the CPU score is like 6500 by itself.


3.8 on stock cooling? What temps are you at? I'm running 4.0 right now with a TRUE on my i7, but it's putting out a lot of heat.
November 27, 2008 10:26:34 PM

Wow, I didn't think CPU mattered much with 3DMarks except for the cpu score it gives. I thought 3DMarks were mainly based on the GPU. I guess the CPU/motherboard are a bottleneck for the GPU here.

BTW roadrunner197069, I know may have used sarcasm, but the Pentium D were released 3 years ago (2005) and not in the 90s lol! :kaola: 

Anyway, I'll be upgrading my cpu and motherboard as well then. :D 
a b U Graphics card
November 27, 2008 10:44:53 PM

Yeah, the CPU upgrade is the way to go. You should be able to keep your current motherboard though, if you can find a 1066FSB 65nm Core 2 duo (any E6x00 series). If you get an E6600 or E6700 and overclock it, you should be fine for a while without needing a motherboard upgrade.
November 27, 2008 11:03:05 PM

Ahh dang. I checked what it says on my motherboard and it says "Revision 1.00G". But the newer dual core processors are only supported with revision 2.01G. So I'm out of luck in keeping the motherboard and need to look for a new one.

I would be getting an E8400 CPU as well cos they as quite cheap compared to others with good performance. Don't need a quadcore for my needs yet, unless I come across some cheap one.
November 28, 2008 11:47:51 AM

Yah, you'll be able to pick out a very nice dual core system, and get a good bang for low bucks.
a b U Graphics card
November 29, 2008 10:08:55 AM

conquerz said:
Wow, I didn't think CPU mattered much with 3DMarks except for the cpu score it gives. I thought 3DMarks were mainly based on the GPU. I guess the CPU/motherboard are a bottleneck for the GPU here.

BTW roadrunner197069, I know may have used sarcasm, but the Pentium D were released 3 years ago (2005) and not in the 90s lol! :kaola: 

Anyway, I'll be upgrading my cpu and motherboard as well then. :D 


Ah, but the Pentium D is simply 2 old P4's squeezed together on a chip. That is why RR is saying 90's tech. The P4 tech basically does go back to the late 90's!
Generally no, the CPU is not that important with a modern GPU.
But seriously, the Pentium D is that slow.
Even a low end AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU will benchmark double what the P-D will.
A slow Core Duo, then blows away the Athlon by 25%.
A fast Core Duo then..........well you are getting the picture.
November 29, 2008 9:08:00 PM

Alright, thanks for the input guys... I've ordered the E8400 CPU and PK5 Premium Motherboard + Zalman CNPS 9700 LED...

I'll do the tests again after I've set it up and see the scores then. Can't wait. :) 
December 5, 2008 3:43:33 AM

OK, so finally I managed to build my first PC. It's easy to do but takes a lot of time.... but worth it cos you save some cash! :) 

Here's my system spec once again:


Intel E8400 3.0GHz
BFG 9800GTX+ OC
Asus P5K Premium
OCZ 4GB DDR2-6400 800MHz
Corsair HX520W PSU
Zalman CNPS9700 LED Cooler

I ran 3DMarks once again and this time round got a massive score of 13208 :ouch:  :o 

Looks like the CPU did it.


Now, I'm new to overclocking and want to overclock this baby to 3.6GHz to begin with. I've read reviews that you can achieve this frequency without increasing the stock voltage and there is no change in temperature.

Could someone give me some numbers to achieve this please. What do I need to change in the BIOS?

I know this much that FSB x multiplier = CPU frequency, and that I need to increase the FSB to overclock.

I've been looking around the BIOS and there's so many settings. What exactly do I change? Thanks in advance to anyone who could help me out. :) 
December 5, 2008 10:34:26 AM

Nice rig dude. I think its all matched up very well.

Now don't burn that sweetheart up, whatever you do!
December 5, 2008 10:47:08 AM

conquerz said:
OK, so finally I managed to build my first PC. It's easy to do but takes a lot of time.... but worth it cos you save some cash! :) 

Here's my system spec once again:


Intel E8400 3.0GHz
BFG 9800GTX+ OC
Asus P5K Premium
OCZ 4GB DDR2-6400 800MHz
Corsair HX520W PSU
Zalman CNPS9700 LED Cooler

I ran 3DMarks once again and this time round got a massive score of 13208 :ouch:  :o 

Looks like the CPU did it.


Now, I'm new to overclocking and want to overclock this baby to 3.6GHz to begin with. I've read reviews that you can achieve this frequency without increasing the stock voltage and there is no change in temperature.

Could someone give me some numbers to achieve this please. What do I need to change in the BIOS?

I know this much that FSB x multiplier = CPU frequency, and that I need to increase the FSB to overclock.

I've been looking around the BIOS and there's so many settings. What exactly do I change? Thanks in advance to anyone who could help me out. :) 



E8400 OC Guide
December 5, 2008 2:25:57 PM

Wrecks said:
Nice rig dude. I think its all matched up very well.

Now don't burn that sweetheart up, whatever you do!


Thanks. :D  I've read that overclocking to 3.6GHz doesn't burn it at all since you're not changing the voltage or very slightly if any.


kingtz said:
E8400 OC Guide


Yup, I've already read that guide. Nice guide. That's why I want to overclock it to only 3.6GHz. The guided uses different hardware. That's why I was looking for settings for my particular system.
December 5, 2008 3:03:04 PM

I have an E8400, too, and from what I understand, you just have to increase your FSB from 333 to 400 to get 3.6GHz. My P5Q PRO mb has this "AI Tweaker" section that allows me to OC in the bios. I just haven't found a need to OC so haven't tried it yet.
December 5, 2008 10:13:00 PM

kingtz said:
I have an E8400, too, and from what I understand, you just have to increase your FSB from 333 to 400 to get 3.6GHz. My P5Q PRO mb has this "AI Tweaker" section that allows me to OC in the bios. I just haven't found a need to OC so haven't tried it yet.


Damn, I can't believe it was that easy. I thought I had to mess around with other settings too... although I think I need to set the PCIe speed to 100mhz and memory ratio to 1.1 (still reading around.)


...but you're right. Changing FSB to 400 takes cpu speed to 3.61Ghz. I did another 3dmark test and I got a score of:

14377 3dmarks :ouch: 

That's an increase of +1169 3dmarks from score at stock speed.

As for my temps, they idle at 35 and stay around 45 at load. That's with the Zalman cooler set to lowest speed.

kingtz, I have AI gear 2 on the P5K premium motherboard so when I am not doing cpu intensive work, the clock speed automatically remains very low to reduce power. As soon as I start some program that requires the cpu, the clock speed steps up and when I run some cpu intensive program or game, the clock speed goes to maximum.

So to me, overclocking doesn't matter. If it is needed by some program and game, the cpu will automatically switch to higher speed.
December 5, 2008 10:25:59 PM

Now you make me wanna OC just to see a new 3DMark score...
December 6, 2008 5:45:01 PM

conquerz said:
Damn, I can't believe it was that easy. I thought I had to mess around with other settings too... although I think I need to set the PCIe speed to 100mhz and memory ratio to 1.1 (still reading around.)


...but you're right. Changing FSB to 400 takes cpu speed to 3.61Ghz. I did another 3dmark test and I got a score of:

14377 3dmarks :ouch: 

That's an increase of +1169 3dmarks from score at stock speed.

As for my temps, they idle at 35 and stay around 45 at load. That's with the Zalman cooler set to lowest speed.

kingtz, I have AI gear 2 on the P5K premium motherboard so when I am not doing cpu intensive work, the clock speed automatically remains very low to reduce power. As soon as I start some program that requires the cpu, the clock speed steps up and when I run some cpu intensive program or game, the clock speed goes to maximum.

So to me, overclocking doesn't matter. If it is needed by some program and game, the cpu will automatically switch to higher speed.



Ok, now I'm a bit perplexed. I just ran 3DMark06 and my score is about 1000 points lower than yours and we have a similar setup.

SM2.0: 5499
HDR/SM3.0 6514
CPU: 3234
TOTAL: 13305


My system:
CPU: E8400 @ 3.6GHz
HD4850 @ 700/2300
2x2GB OCZ Plat. DDR2 1000 @ 5-5-5-15
74GB Raptor
64 Vista


A couple hundred point difference, I can understand, but does the 4850 score 1000 points less than a 9800GTX+?
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2008 7:56:07 PM

IIRC, the 4850 scores lower in 3dmark than it does in games (compared to the 9800GTX+). You should be just as fast in games, but a bit slower in 3dmark.
December 11, 2008 6:29:49 AM

Also, I have a factory overclocked version of the 9800GTX+. I'm not sure how well the 9800GTX+ OC compares with the 4850.
December 11, 2008 4:36:57 PM

Well I'm using these settings in BIOS now:

FSB 333MHz
PCIE Freq 100MHz
DRAM Freq DDR2-801MHz
DRAM Timing 4-4-4-15
DRAM Voltage 2.0V
CPU Voltage 1.2250V
Everything else on auto


And I get a score of 14426. That's an increase of 1218 marks from stock score which was 13208.

!