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BUILD ME A COMPUTER FOR TRADING ( FUTURES/EQUITIES )

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October 31, 2008 6:53:51 AM

I have tried to do it myself but I am a moron with A.D.D. and can not afford to make minor mistakes to jeopardize the performance

Requirements:

1. Windows XP 32bit ( I kind of want 64bit but from what I understand they are completely different OS?????? )

2. Need at least 4gigs ( That kind of contradicts the 32bit as I believe it only supports up to 3gigs.... Enlighten me )

3. CPU needs to be an Intel ---- Not sure if I should go with Xenon Duo/Quad or just normal Duo/Quad ( I have mixed reviews, most say it depends on the platform but I am sure you guys will point me to the right direction )

From what I have read I can go easy on a video card as I will not be playing any games - THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL USE THIS COMP FOR IS TO RUN A TRADING PLATFORM - THAT IS IT.... I have another computer and laptop to do google'ing etc etc etc

That being said I know it is going to be a long shot to try and find someone familiar with this but it is worth a try ---


I HAVE PAYPAL AND WOULD NOT MIND PAYING IN ADVANCE - Go to www.tradingcomputers.com to see how those strokes overprice their products by at least 2k lol


Best wishes,

Pwn
October 31, 2008 6:55:21 AM

OH YEA AND IT ALSO NEEDS TO SUPPORT FOUR 24INCH HP W2408H SCREENS, BUT AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY I HAVE READ THAT I CAN BUDGET THE VIDEO CARDS AS I WILL NOT BE GAMMING
October 31, 2008 6:56:50 AM

Heck while your at it if you can also build me a trading laptop that would be pretty player too... Like I said I have paypal and would not mind paying in advance
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October 31, 2008 7:07:01 AM

You can do a little background check on me here http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/investing/145264-bes...

That reference is nothing more then to just insure you that I have been looking into this and am serious about making a purchase. Will not waste your time - Like I said I have paypal and will pay in advance as long as you are reputable etc etc
October 31, 2008 7:11:03 AM

Hi Pwn,

you need a mobo with 2 PCI 16 slots (16 chan size but if only 4 pipes work that will be okay) for 2 graphics cards each with 2 outs - this isnt hard to find and wont cost too much. As you same the GOPU power is not that important if not gaming.

most mobos will have 4 x dimm sockets so 4GB of RAM no problem 8GB if you want it.

CPU wise, you'll probably end up with 775 socket mobo so I'd say go quad if your going to be running stuff to fill 4 screens.

whats the budget? other requirments? storage?

V
October 31, 2008 7:14:40 AM

there are other ways of getting 3+ monitors but if its just 4 you want and not 5+ this is normaly the cheaper and more stable way
October 31, 2008 7:34:38 AM

No budget - I want a bad bad bish :)  hehe ---- Just no overkill, I do not mind paying for higher performing parts - Go ahead and overkill the case a little because I want something cool to look at lol

October 31, 2008 7:36:48 AM

Oh yea if liquid cooling is better I want that too
October 31, 2008 7:38:22 AM

My phone number is 815 2581598 - Call me ..... I trade from 3am to 3pm and usually go to bed at 4pm'ish. This is all central time so try to keep it between those hours
October 31, 2008 7:43:20 AM

If you are in NYC it's problematic, but if it's elsewhere I suggest you find a reputable small business that services offices. There tends to be one in almost every mid-sized town.

Why?

SERVICE - no one here is going to give you the support you need, or warranty.

I have reviewed your needs. They are not much different than a gaming rig actually, except that the two video cards will not be linked and can be less powerful.

Those guys at the linked site are behind the times. Vista 64 has been rock stable for several months, and 4 or even 8GB RAM would be a boon for you.

They do not even include a simple redundancy array for your data, or an integrated back-up system. They are overclocking their CPUs... that's quite questionable. Your idea of dual Xeons on a server board is not unreasonable, but probably not needed.

A P45 chipset and a single quad core would likely be all you need... Something like a Q9650, or better yet wait two-three weeks if you can and get the new Intel i7 CPU.

Get a local company with local support to build for you.

Oh, and bling and flash is no problem. See my sig for parts recommendations if you want to look at cases or whatnot.
October 31, 2008 7:43:41 AM

I would recomend 2 of these in a P45 mobo running a quad core processor:

SAPPHIRE 100237L Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
MSI P7N Diamond LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard with SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Audio
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit...

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 31, 2008 7:52:09 AM

slomo4sho said:
I would recomend 2 of these in a P45 mobo running a quad core processor:

SAPPHIRE 100237L Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
MSI P7N Diamond LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard with SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Audio
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit...

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Wow you guys just give out information on what is needed to build this thing?! Thanks!!! What really surprises me is I understood your comment - I have done research and already know what a p45 motherboard is and you are basically saying to install 2 sapphire video cards in it, along with a quad core CPU/Processor and g.skill 4GB of Ram! - Wow I just surprised myself, nice!
October 31, 2008 7:53:00 AM

liquid cooling is only for overclocking and showing off to your mates, if you dont want either of those then no point :)  it's also higher maintinance.

Case
antec 1200 maybe

mobo
Asus P5Q's good price and performance

CPU
probably look at one of the higher quads 9550 if the price isnt too bad

RAM
lots off good options, personaly I like the OCZ high range stuff but probably best to cover that once mobo and CPU are picked out

GPUS
9600s will do you fine - plenty of power at about £60 a throw

PSU
antec signature 650 or 850
enermax galaxy
termaltake throughpower

HD(s)
seagate or WD (size depending on what your saving)
you may want to consider RAID 1 if this is to be a work PC
October 31, 2008 7:58:48 AM

The mobo provides plenty of flexibility and has full RAID support. If you know how to build a machine then I recommend trying to build it yourself.

There are other graphic cards available at a higher cost but since you stated that your not a gamer and you obviously wont be running any kind of CAD program, its better to stay away from the higher priced workstation GPUs.

And btw, information is always free :) 
October 31, 2008 8:02:28 AM

vibe said:
liquid cooling is only for overclocking and showing off to your mates, if you dont want either of those then no point :)  it's also higher maintinance.

Case
antec 1200 maybe

mobo
Asus P5Q's good price and performance

CPU
probably look at one of the higher quads 9550 if the price isnt too bad

RAM
lots off good options, personaly I like the OCZ high range stuff but probably best to cover that once mobo and CPU are picked out

GPUS
9600s will do you fine - plenty of power at about £60 a throw

PSU
antec signature 650 or 850
enermax galaxy
termaltake throughpower

HD(s)
seagate or WD (size depending on what your saving)
you may want to consider RAID 1 if this is to be a work PC



Wow thank you for contributing! Money is no option and I am ready to build the best of the best ( For trading that is )...... That being said I am ready for TOP OF THE LINE stuff! ( Where needed that is - For example top of the line CPU/Processor - Hard Drive - Ram ---- Things of that nature that will help better the performance on my single platform that I will be using


Best wishes,

Pwn
October 31, 2008 8:05:45 AM

If your really wanting top of the line for heavy duty CPU processing, I recommend waiting a few weeks for the i7s to be released.

or if you don't want to wait:
same mobo with Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

October 31, 2008 8:07:48 AM

slomo4sho said:
If your really wanting top of the line for heavy duty CPU processing, I recommend waiting a few weeks for the i7s to be released.



No chit? The guy at my local " custom built computers privately owned shop " told me it will not be coming out until the 2nd quarter of the next year! Mind you he said he is going to charge me a 500 dollar build fee..... lol ( Maybe he will get the last laugh as I am not sure what going rates for something like this is )
October 31, 2008 8:12:04 AM

Just seen your edit - Yea I was looking at that CPU/Processor but I thought XENON was the best? Why do they not sell it?
October 31, 2008 8:20:27 AM

Proximon said:
If you are in NYC it's problematic, but if it's elsewhere I suggest you find a reputable small business that services offices. There tends to be one in almost every mid-sized town.

Why?

SERVICE - no one here is going to give you the support you need, or warranty.

I have reviewed your needs. They are not much different than a gaming rig actually, except that the two video cards will not be linked and can be less powerful.

Those guys at the linked site are behind the times. Vista 64 has been rock stable for several months, and 4 or even 8GB RAM would be a boon for you.

They do not even include a simple redundancy array for your data, or an integrated back-up system. They are overclocking their CPUs... that's quite questionable. Your idea of dual Xeons on a server board is not unreasonable, but probably not needed.

A P45 chipset and a single quad core would likely be all you need... Something like a Q9650, or better yet wait two-three weeks if you can and get the new Intel i7 CPU.

Get a local company with local support to build for you.

Oh, and bling and flash is no problem. See my sig for parts recommendations if you want to look at cases or whatnot.



Sorry buddy I overlooked your comment - Thank you for the information I will def. not take it for granted --- Problem with that is my local shop is filled with a bunch of scammers.... I take pride in my gift of knowing a BS'er when I see one and these people are just that - Nothing short of a legal way to rip people off
October 31, 2008 8:24:43 AM

A normal office PC with the ability to support more than one monitor is fine.
The Bloomberg Terminal I'm using is just on a Dell Latitude D610 with an extended display on to a 22" monitor.

October 31, 2008 8:26:32 AM

slomo4sho said:
Xeon is more of a server CPU, this is top of the line in that end...

Intel Xeon X5450 Harpertown 3.0GHz LGA 771 120W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Its not something you need.



Good stuff! I have no idea how in the world you found that as I have been searching xenon on newegg for the past 30 min and trying to google why no one sells it lol..... Anyway regarding the OS, people on my trading forum recommend 32bit because they say the 64bit is a completely different OS??...... I don't know how that could be but they said something about driver errors.... Have any thoughts?
October 31, 2008 8:30:46 AM

Well Vista is quite different from XP... but you can get vista in either 32 or 64bit.

In my opinion, both OSs have their benefits and flaws. But if you do decide to switch from XP to Vista, the transition is quite manageable :p 
October 31, 2008 8:33:01 AM

I doubt any of your trading software would have an issue with Vista 64, but perhaps it's a possibility. You could check with the SW vendors. Most of what you do is simply HTML and XML based I imagine, and that has no OS dependency.

As far as it being a "Different OS" ... In technical terms yes, the kernels are quite different. In usage terms... not much difference for most users. Some changes in security and look, but basic organization changes slowly with MS. If you could operate in Win98 you could jump to XP. If you could operate in XP you can jump to Vista.
October 31, 2008 8:38:15 AM

Zecow said:
A normal office PC with the ability to support more than one monitor is fine.
The Bloomberg Terminal I'm using is just on a Dell Latitude D610 with an extended display on to a 22" monitor.



Yea I am a day trader - With me I use a lot of TA ( Technical Analysts ) - So I have charts, indicators, oscillators, overlay, etc etc up all the time.... Actually in the end you are right, I am sure I will do just fine with a normal office PC as the computer will not make me any more or less money. In the end I would rather spend an extra couple thousand and have the satisfaction of knowing my computer was built to straight do work! :) ......


Put it like this - What if just once just one time that normal office PC takes a poop in the middle of a trade when I needed to make a split decision move - Things like that could never be predicted and even with me spending all this money it still could happen, but I would rather take my chances with a computer that could power NASA then some mainstream brand with a " warranty " :)  ---
October 31, 2008 8:50:44 AM

Lets make one thing clear: no matter how reliable and fast you may think your machine to be, electronics are very unpredictable and have unique characteristics of breaking down when you need them the most :p 
October 31, 2008 8:56:29 AM

slomo4sho said:
Lets make one thing clear: no matter how reliable and fast you may think your machine to be, electronics are very unpredictable and have unique characteristics of breaking down when you need them the most :p 



Oh for sure... I already have a back up comp and another back up for the back up and a laptop :)  --- Basically I would also like to point out that you guys are awsome! I do not know if most these peeps take all you gurus for granted but for me personally I thank you for the information you have shared
October 31, 2008 8:57:04 AM

Keep it coming :)  hehe
October 31, 2008 9:06:40 AM

In all honesty, if self built, your system should cost no more than $1500 and I do recommend going with Vista 64 Business or Ultimate.
October 31, 2008 9:13:15 AM

Yea that is so controversial - People say nothing but bad things about Vista for trading and nothing but good things for XP.... On a side note they recommend 32bit and have not really heard much feedback on 64bit -- That being said vista is supported but I just hear so many bad things about it, idk
October 31, 2008 9:22:40 AM

There is no such thing as being fail safe. Accidents happen... its part of life.
If you already have a backup PC, then it really doesn't matter wat PC you buy. I still don't see your point:
"What if just once just one time that normal office PC takes a poop in the middle of a trade when I needed to make a split decision move"
Sorry. My servers are running virtual on 2 physical PCs so yeah... that will prevent the 'poooping' - otherwise, no matter which direction you go... you're still vulnerable for the 'pooooping'.


The only problem with self built systems are compatibility issues. I hate the new mainboards - they are too intelligent..that sometimes it creates issues than solutions.
If you do alot of charts and analysis - then go for the Q9550, 8GB of RAM, Vista 64. I wouldn't bother with the top end vga - anything that can display dual monitors should be fine.
October 31, 2008 9:26:10 AM

pwn said:
Yea that is so controversial - People say nothing but bad things about Vista for trading and nothing but good things for XP.... On a side note they recommend 32bit and have not really heard much feedback on 64bit -- That being said vista is supported but I just hear so many bad things about it, idk

I guess that's just the usual uninformed Vista bashing ...

Vista isn't a bad OS. If your running a new PC with newish software, there isn't really any reason to stay with XP imo.

In your position I would go with 64bit. All your software should work perfectly with it
October 31, 2008 9:37:15 AM

Zecow said:
There is no such thing as being fail safe. Accidents happen... its part of life.
If you already have a backup PC, then it really doesn't matter wat PC you buy. I still don't see your point:
"What if just once just one time that normal office PC takes a poop in the middle of a trade when I needed to make a split decision move"
Sorry. My servers are running virtual on 2 physical PCs so yeah... that will prevent the 'poooping' - otherwise, no matter which direction you go... you're still vulnerable for the 'pooooping'.


The only problem with self built systems are compatibility issues. I hate the new mainboards - they are too intelligent..that sometimes it creates issues than solutions.
If you do alot of charts and analysis - then go for the Q9550, 8GB of RAM, Vista 64. I wouldn't bother with the top end vga - anything that can display dual monitors should be fine.



Sorry did not mean to offend you if I did with the " pooping " lol...... Yea I do not know how to run virtual on 2 physical PC's because I am dumb - On a side note to answer your question I am most def. going to waste an unnecessary amount of capital on this machine - I really have no ethical reason just moral, pretty much the same reason I am going to be buying that new Ferrari F430 when it comes out :) 
October 31, 2008 9:41:39 AM

nigelf said:
I guess that's just the usual uninformed Vista bashing ...

Vista isn't a bad OS. If your running a new PC with newish software, there isn't really any reason to stay with XP imo.

In your position I would go with 64bit. All your software should work perfectly with it



Hmmm....... I am convinced ---- I will go with the vista 64bit and 8gigs of Ram.... I appreciate your input everything is starting to fall into play, thank you


Pwn
October 31, 2008 10:05:21 AM

Great.

You can't really go wrong with a quad, P45 mobo, loads of ram and 2 mid-low end GPU.

I recommend getting a P182 as a case. Good cooling, intelligent interior design, not as flashy as the "gaming" cases and quiet - especially if you change the fans to slipstreams or something. SPCR has a huge run-down of fans to compare.

For the HDDs I'd go with Samsung F1 Spinpoints. Think about investing in a RAID5 arrays. It's nearly as fast as RAID1, but gives you redundancy in case 1 drive fails.

For PSU: Personally I tend to stick to corsair PSUs. The 450VX should do it. I'm sure the others will chime in with suggestions here
October 31, 2008 10:08:27 AM

Thats also a good motherboard. Most P45 boards are more than capable.
October 31, 2008 10:18:32 AM

nigelf said:
Great.

You can't really go wrong with a quad, P45 mobo, loads of ram and 2 mid-low end GPU.

I recommend getting a P182 as a case. Good cooling, intelligent interior design, not as flashy as the "gaming" cases and quiet - especially if you change the fans to slipstreams or something. SPCR has a huge run-down of fans to compare.

For the HDDs I'd go with Samsung F1 Spinpoints. Think about investing in a RAID5 arrays. It's nearly as fast as RAID1, but gives you redundancy in case 1 drive fails.

For PSU: Personally I tend to stick to corsair PSUs. The 450VX should do it. I'm sure the others will chime in with suggestions here



omg - I went from thinking I knew what was going on to completely clueless lol - It is ok though because I was only planning on building this myself for a split second before I read the above. I will do my best and try to find a local shop here that specializes in this..... BUT I WILL MOST DEF REFER HIM/HER TO THIS THREAD! :)  - like I said I already had a bad experience these private owned places but I will give it another try and see if I can not maybe find something worth while because PROXIMON is right on with that " SERVICE " debate


So what I am going to do is basically figure out the core essentials like the motherboard, CPU/Processor, Hard Drive, Ram, Video and then let him/her sort out all the rest of the " fine print " As for the hard drive I was looking at something like this for the Primary http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and for the back up or secondary or w/e you guys call it i was looking at this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 31, 2008 10:39:27 AM

That case is sick now it is between that one and the Antec 1200 - As for all of the hardware and such I think I am going to hold off a couple weeks or so until the Intel i7 comes out guys because I just did another search and it is going to require a whole different motherboard :(  ......... Now that I can pretty much put 2 and 2 together my next thread will be a critique one where you guys tell me yay or nay :)  - I even got to the point where I know what Ram I can use for the motherboard and what not ( 240 pin )

This is not really as hard as I thought - Well at least picking out compatible hardware - I will leave the assembling to the pros....

ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT YOU HAVE SERIOUSLY ENLIGHTENED ME A GREAT DEAL!!!! I will be lurking these forums so keep in touch!!

Best wishes,

Pwn
October 31, 2008 11:29:23 AM

Yeah good choice with the i7 man - I was an intern as a trader this summer (structured equity derivatives) and the onus was always on processing power with our pcs. An Excel pricing spreadsheet would run ok on the quad cores but get unceremoniously slaughtered on the dual cores - you have made the right decision with the i7, however my only concern would be reliability, so perhaps lay off getting one until you read the first reviews on the CPU and the x58 mobos
October 31, 2008 7:41:03 PM

fruees said:
Yeah good choice with the i7 man - I was an intern as a trader this summer (structured equity derivatives) and the onus was always on processing power with our pcs. An Excel pricing spreadsheet would run ok on the quad cores but get unceremoniously slaughtered on the dual cores - you have made the right decision with the i7, however my only concern would be reliability, so perhaps lay off getting one until you read the first reviews on the CPU and the x58 mobos



For sure pimp, thanks for the support. I to question the reliability but I have read that it has gone through rigorous testing - In the real world that means chit but if " tomshardwarde reviews " is willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, so am I :) 


Take care,

Pwn
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