HI..i have a asus 9800Gtx+ on my asus striker 2 formula. I got 12200 marks for 3Dmark06 advanced edition with normal setting.Is this ok?The problem is i have to overclocked my cpu so that i can get the score above 10k..i am using pentium Dual-Core E5200..i overclocked it to 3.14Ghz. With the original cpu clock, i only got the score about 8000+..can anyone tell me this is my cpu problem or graphic problem..Is my Graphic Card Working normally?..Thx
P\s: Maybe i did had some grammar mistake but please do help me with this probrem
Why do you think there is a problem? Right now your CPU is your bottleneck. When you up the clock speed of your cpu your graphics card has more room to breathe. Other than that I'd say 12,200 is pretty good.
Nothing is "wrong" per say. Your CPU is slow enough that it is hindering the graphics card. Try getting something like and E8400($169) or even an E7200/E7300 both are VERY good overclockers and have much larger caches. The E7200 is around $120. But I'd keep the E5200 around because it is a nice overclocker and would make a good secondary system.
The E7200 has 3mb of level 2 cache the E5200 has 2mb I wouldn't say that 1 extra mb is much larger. The E5200 is typically a slightly better ocer because of the 12.5x multi. I don't thinks its worth the extra 40 dollars over the E5200.
Remember that 3dmark has a strong cpu component. With any solid graphics card your always going to get a higher score with a faster cpu. If there is a significant bottleneck then your going to see much larger increases like you have. But once you oced your E5200 you pretty much have removed most of the bottleneck.
With todays intel dual core cpus you're looking at the very best 20% increase to an E8000 series at the same clock and more of an average of about 8% from everything I have read. So why would you tell someone to spend another 120 or 170 bucks on a faster cpu? With his oc on the E5200 and a solid gpu his has a pretty awesome system that is performing just the way it should in my opinion.
Nothing is "wrong" per say. Your CPU is slow enough that it is hindering the graphics card. Try getting something like and E8400($169) or even an E7200/E7300 both are VERY good overclockers and have much larger caches. The E7200 is around $120. But I'd keep the E5200 around because it is a nice overclocker and would make a good secondary system.
havent you been reading the latest system builder articles??
the E5200 got all the way to 4GHZ on air m8. that is a very good overclock IMO
OK the E8200 is twice the price ... the 5200 is PentiumD, the 8200 is C2D
The e5200 is most certainly not a Pentium D.
The Pentium D is the old netburst architecture. Pentium D wiki
The e5200 is part of the Core 2 family, it has the same C2D architecture but with reduced cache and is in the 'Pentium Dual Core' series. Pentium Dual Core wiki
The similarity in names can be confusing, but it is important to recognize the difference.
Message edited by mtyermom on 11-29-2008 at 08:56:01 PM
i think i can TRUST intel web site LOTTA more then wiki where anyone can write what he want .........
My point is that it is a core 2 architecture chip and is NOT a 'Pentium D', which is the old netburst architecture.
The e5xxx series, like the e2xxx series is named 'Pentium Dual Core' and not 'Pentium D'. There IS a huge difference.
YOU need to know what you are talking about and be careful to make the distinction between the two. Although I admit, it is Intel's fault for creating a confusing naming scheme.
a completely agree with you, but can you just admit that a E5200 is away from being a fast gaming cpu...... even OCed to 3ghz+
Edit1: Exxx is 45nm series, your right... BUT
FROM intel web site about the E5200 cpu:
The Intel Pentium dual-core processor delivers enhanced performance for everyday computing needs such as listening to digital music and editing digital photography and improved responsiveness with office applications.
Edit2:
Intel's newest addition to the Intel® Pentium® processor family with dual-core processor technology that delivers great desktop and mobile performance, low power enhancements, and multitasking for everyday computing.
a completely agree with you, but can you just admit that a E5200 is away from being a fast gaming cpu...... even OCed to 3ghz+
Edit1: Exxx is 45nm series, your right... BUT FROM intel web site about the E5200 cpu:
The Intel Pentium dual-core processor delivers enhanced performance for everyday computing needs such as listening to digital music and editing digital photography and improved responsiveness with office applications.
Edit2: Intel's newest addition to the Intel® Pentium® processor family with dual-core processor technology that delivers great desktop and mobile performance, low power enhancements, and multitasking for everyday computing.
Et Voilah
It's a Pentium with a Wolfdale core. In other words, it's the same exact core as the high end E8000 series, just with less cache. Note that it even states on the data sheet here that the code name is Wolfdale, just like on the E8600 here.
Overclocked at 3GHz or more, the E5200 is an excellent gaming CPU, as it has plenty of power, and tons of headroom. Just because Intel is calling it a Pentium doesn't mean that it uses the same core as the older (and far worse) Pentium D family.
Message edited by cjl on 11-29-2008 at 09:44:45 PM
i KNOW its a DualCore proc, im sorry i just made a mistake when i told its a Pentium D. its a 45nm ... no mistake about that. but i think this BENCHMARK in 3dmark06 is really telling something, I have SAME gpu, and my STOCK E6850 3.0ghz Benched 13000 and now 14500 OCed. He have 12000 with a 3.14ghz .... THERE is the différence, and if you take a Quad E6xxx,+E9xxx or a E8xxx better cpu youll get lill better score.... thats all about the CPU technologie ... CACHE !!! fsb ...
E5200 is a NEW cpu, nice CPU, im telling its BAD, but a 60$ cpu cant come Head to head with some 300+$ cpu ... LOOK benchmark..
^ Ok so lets OC the hell out of both, and when you can't hit 4.0 GHz and the E5200 can go over it, then lets see which is faster. By your logic since 3dmark06 eats up quadcores, a Q9550 @ 3.5 Ghz will be better in all games than my E8600 @ 4.5 Ghz? The E5200 is faster than EVERY dualcore in the E6xxx and E7xxx families, it overclocks better than both. The reason he gets lower scores can be for a wide variety of reasons, it is NOT comparable. Finally, an E8500 @ 4.0 Ghz will perform EXACTLY the same as an E5200 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming at any decent resolution. The E5200 is the best CPU out there for price/performance. It is $60-$80 and it DOES perform the same as a $300+ CPU since it IS the $300 CPU underclocked. The cache size doesn't make a huge difference either, especially when the CPU is @ 4.0 Ghz+.
You lapped direct touch heat pipes? Been wondering about that....
Yes, but not nearly as much as you think when you hear lapping. I can't see my reflection perfectly. I just lapped it so that there is a much smaller crevice between the heatpipes and the aluminum base. It made a large difference in the ease of spreading the thermal paste, which seemed to effect temps a little. I have seen people lap this cooler to a mirror finish, but I wouldn't go that far since you could sand through a heatpipe.
i agree with you, and with all other here, i know that a 4ghz E5xxx VS a 4ghz E8xxx are about the same thing. Cache have still a lil thing to do in this. This E5200 may produce less heat VS E6xxx.
^ Ok so lets OC the hell out of both, and when you can't hit 4.0 GHz and the E5200 can go over it, then lets see which is faster. By your logic since 3dmark06 eats up quadcores, a Q9550 @ 3.5 Ghz will be better in all games than my E8600 @ 4.5 Ghz? The E5200 is faster than EVERY dualcore in the E6xxx and E7xxx families, it overclocks better than both. The reason he gets lower scores can be for a wide variety of reasons, it is NOT comparable. Finally, an E8500 @ 4.0 Ghz will perform EXACTLY the same as an E5200 @ 4.0 Ghz in gaming at any decent resolution. The E5200 is the best CPU out there for price/performance. It is $60-$80 and it DOES perform the same as a $300+ CPU since it IS the $300 CPU underclocked. The cache size doesn't make a huge difference either, especially when the CPU is @ 4.0 Ghz+.
hehe, well now we know where nvidia gets its product relabling from
i KNOW its a DualCore proc, im sorry i just made a mistake when i told its a Pentium D. its a 45nm ... no mistake about that. but i think this BENCHMARK in 3dmark06 is really telling something, I have SAME gpu, and my STOCK E6850 3.0ghz Benched 13000 and now 14500 OCed. He have 12000 with a 3.14ghz .... THERE is the différence, and if you take a Quad E6xxx,+E9xxx or a E8xxx better cpu youll get lill better score.... thats all about the CPU technologie ... CACHE !!! fsb ...
E5200 is a NEW cpu, nice CPU, im telling its BAD, but a 60$ cpu cant come Head to head with some 300+$ cpu ... LOOK benchmark..
Dude, take that synthetic benchmark and shove it up your ***, we're talking about real world performance (specifically, gaming). Yes, the larger cache will give an e8xxx cpu a slight lead over a smaller cached e5xxx, but in real world practical application (again, gaming) the difference in FPS at the same clock speed is going to be nearly insignificant.
Yeah but e8400 is better... I mean... in your signature would you rather put e8400 or e5200
its all about the e-peen
e-peen, lol nice
and plus, its a FREAKIN benchmark. benchmarks dont meen crap. it doesnt reflect realworld performance. go buy a game like crysis or something and ENJOY your sweet computer..
just becuase a 3dmark score isnt as hiogh as youd wish doesnt meen there is something wrong with your comp.
i was kinda shocked when i saw that i only got 3000 extra points in 3dmark 06 after i put in another 3870, but once i tried crysis, i was immediatly distracted from my 3dmark score dissapointment
Yeah - 3dmark is not the greatest benchmark. It'll show if something is horribly wrong with your computer, but I wouldn't trust it for anything more than that. I was recently shocked the other way - my system with a single 4870x2 is now getting over 22k. Still, it's game performance that really matters, and that's what I would pay attention to.
+1 cjl. My cpu is used 90% for gaming .. 10% for web ... i do not encode, music-video edit and all other, My cpu is for GAMING. so 3dmark is a Gaming benchmark.
GamerXtreme started this tread about his Score with a 9800gtx+ and e E5200 score... that was low. his OC prove that a E5200 OCed can be MUCh better then a stock one. 8000 stock VS 12200 OCed ... its the hell of an imporvement.
My E6850 scored 13117 stock and 14549 OCed to 3.6, this only show that my CPU isnt the bottleneck here ... Same thing since i use 4g 800mhz 4-4-3-12 1T 20 mem timing. If i want better gaming Perf, i NEED to swap in a new GPU or Sli this 9800GTX+ SC.
I think that GamerXtreme score with his stock and OCed E5200 is OK. this show that a E5200 is slow and can be fast when OCed.
HI..i have a asus 9800Gtx+ on my asus striker 2 formula. I got 12200 marks for 3Dmark06 advanced edition with normal setting.Is this ok?The problem is i have to overclocked my cpu so that i can get the score above 10k..i am using pentium Dual-Core E5200..i overclocked it to 3.14Ghz. With the original cpu clock, i only got the score about 8000+..can anyone tell me this is my cpu problem or graphic problem..Is my Graphic Card Working normally?..Thx
P\s: Maybe i did had some grammar mistake but please do help me with this probrem
Thats a normal score for your setup description in 3Dmark06, so you don't really actually have a problem, you can increase that score by additionally OCing the 9800GTX.