Question for all you gurus out there.

[werxen]

lets say person A has this setup:

Antec 1200+Sig. 850
Maximus II
Q9550
9800GX2

and is probably too stupid to overclock so lets assume its stock for now. would you say they can get 50-100 fps in crysis playing at a reasonable resolution of 1680 x 1050 with no anti aliasing etc?

 

[dragonsprayer]

nope unless they run 600x800 and low setting - lol!

1200 res and high is 30-35fps

i am guessing

 

[werxen]

thanks dragon you have always been a reliable source of information on these forums. the reason i ask is because of this:

(which is all posted by silverion77)

Ok so according to ur knowledge...ur cpu should beat my quad. But WHOA it doesnt. I get 50-100 fps in Crysis maxed with some AA (2 or 4). Reason....the game is already Bottlenecked by the GPU. HOLY CRAP!!!! I swear thats what most of us with quads have tried to explain for....idk whenever that thread with Habitat was.
I mean srysly. Quads are a bottleneck?? 300+ fps at least in CoD4 (locked to 250 anyways...yay PB). I get great frames in L4D. DS was around 100. So i dont get what sort of "amazing Performance boost over a quad" you are talking about....

posted by Silverion followed by this in a PM to me when asking to prove his claims with screen shots:

As for the Crysis pics...working on it. Dont remember what maps they were on. Played yesterday with a constant 50 fps....little microstutter here and there cause of my card

and this is after he claimed his card beats a 280gtx:

On Guru they have 1 GTX 280 AVERAGING 49 fps. 0AA and 16AF
Now i think every review showed that the 9800GX2 is better than the GTX 280 in a single card setup. When Im indoors i sit just under 100. Outside depending on action i sit at high 40s-50.

so this is maxed out settings including anti aliasing of up to 4x and hes getting 50-100 fps. im pretty sure i just went mythbusters on his ass. thanks dragon!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

50-100 fps on crysis? yep, mythbusters it was

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

Umm... a 9800 GX2 still does beat a GTX 280 a little. Also High is not a hard setting to push on Crysis, it is just when you add AA and anything very high that you destroy your system. I get similar performance in Crysis at those settings and my GPU is not all that much better in Crysis. I say if he was quoting those scores as accurate then they would be BS, but he seems to be giving a rough estimation and that seems about right, maybe overestimated a bit.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

He did say some AA was used, thatd kill that x2

 

[dragonsprayer]

y w

crysis smoothing is good - i played it 35-30fps and beat the game when it was new on 750mhz 8800gts - love that game.

150fps is even do able with dual 295's or 4870x2's which are the top crysis cards

 

[werxen]

weird because RIGHT HERE:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-280-sli-triple-review-test/13

TRI SLI 280GTX at maximum settings without AA enabled you get:

58 frame rate average @ 1280x1024.

raven you say his card which 'slightly' beats the 280gtx can get BETTER frame rates than tri sli 280gtx on crysis? please...

 

[Silverion77]

Lol he had to make a thread

As i initially said...my 50-100 frames came with my other monitor. I just upgraded
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163326.png?t=1233372825
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163402.png?t=1233372826
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163410.png?t=1233372826
about 100 indoors like I said. I kno this is Crysis Wars, but atm its the best i got.
Outdoors was 30-50 (like I said) depending on the view and environment
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163420.png?t=1233372402
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163512.png?t=1233372568
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163452.png?t=1233372833

I have not checked the game out on my new monitor, but these are what i have
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163704.png?t=1233372621
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163708.png?t=1233372627
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/Conquerred512/crysiswr-20090130-163749.png?t=1233372628
Edit: Changed to links. Not imported.

Werxen u make me laugh :lol: :lol:
Like many reviews showed on lower res, the GX2 still was in the range of the GTX 280 and beat it in Crysis. This was the release drivers and they do help, but i dont know any site that reviews GPUs after driver updates
The fact that u made a thread for an argument is just funny though

Edit: U guys should seriously see his PMs. Imagine that quote below 8 times. Hes raging like no other. Really funnyrl

 

[werxen]

well you totally got me.

1) that is not crysis
2) look at the craptastic resolution and quality you play at judging from this SS:

yeah... crysis maxed @ 100 fps. great proof you got there silveron.

edit: whats really funny is I can play at higher resolution at better quality settings and get BETTER frame rates than you can with a DUAL CORE, from which this entire argument started. way to fail silverion.

 

[Silverion77]

Its Silverion, not Silveron

As i said in that thread...its CRYSIS WARS

I said it then, i said it now, i said it in our PMs, and ill say it again

its Wars

And really, u even doubted my CoD4 numbers at 250+...should i post those too?

Edit: And Werxen i also havent OCed yet cause i dont have the cooling. Waiting for an H2O setup

 

[werxen]

ohhhh... so its CRYSIS WARS that you maxed out with 4x anti aliasing right? haha. nice try but fail. your SS are proof of that even with a game that requires less system specs than the single player crysis you still cannot beef it up. you play at the worst quality and resolution and barely break 40 fps. nice silverion... nice.

 

[Silverion77]

ur kidding right?

Have u even played Crysis Wars? I think ur the only one that doesnt kno that it uses a "fake DX10" when ur in the servers.
Thats what it looks like maxed out. U cant go very high on Wars, only high.
Get it and try it urself

 

[spathotan]

Who cares?

 

[werxen]

wow really? cuz this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZSM6oDhtK4
(watch in high definition)

kicks the living hell out of your texture quality. yours looks like clay puddy compared to that. you were saying?? *yawn* im tired of backing my stuff up with evidence. its too easy with you. be gone nooblit.

btw here are a couple SS i took of CRYSIS on my rig, running all high @ 1680 x 1050 with a new config for more realism that eats up FPS but well worth it for visuals:

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58911471us4.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36194584wq1.jpg

see... THATS what crysis is SUPPOSED to look like. not your quake 3 clone.

edit: FPS never drop below 30 even when under fire (aka second pic) i average ~ 40 FPS total.

 

[Silverion77]

Who cares?

Good question...
Im only in for the lols

I mean, i thought it was funny, but i didnt think hed get as mad as making a thread :lol: :lol:

And werxen, that is what mine looks like but between the compression removes some of the quality
Also fix ur pics...nothing comes up. But maybe thats what Crysis looks like to u

 

[werxen]

works for me, maybe you need to learn how to click links.
also: compression does not do this:

to a picture ie: remove textures, artifact and generally look like ass.

bottom line: you get mediocre FPS on a heavily toned down version of crysis wars. you play a horrible resolution, no anti aliasing, and the lowest quality textures available. you do NOT get the claimed 50-100 FPS that you said you do maxed out with 4x anti aliasing so please, just say you are sorry and you will not make a fool out of yourself like this again. oh and stop saying your quad gets more FPS than i do when you just got schooled by an 'outdated dual core'

 

[shiftstealth]

It looks like he changed the view distance code

crysis is no fun when it looks like poo

 

[Silverion77]

i dont even kno any of the codes lol

I asked my friend for r_displayinfo 1

 

[werxen]

yeah yeah.... typical silverion. all talk no facts or screenshots. post SS or stop with your artificial facts. you do NOT get the fps. you do NOT post REAL ss. you do NOT run it maxed out with AA. your quad core does NOT beat my dual core. END OF STORY. how much did you pay for your setup again? *giggle* want to have a dual vs. quad debate again? you will be spanked like all the other times.

 

[Silverion77]

I never stated that my quad was better

Im justs state that all game performance in most situations come from GPU power and is the first bottleneck. U say that ur dual beats the crap out of a quad, all im saying is that ur wrong.
And yes, i drew those in Photoshop also :lol: :lol: u like my skills?

Otherwise im done. I got my lols and my frames, and others are just pissed

Edit: Also, ur screenshots is Crysis. Can u not get that through ur head. Crysis gives u DX10 and Very High. Wars is locked into a DX10 variant (thats really 9) and only can go high

Edit 2: And actually i paid 0 for my rig. Parents owed me money, dad bought me Case and PSU as payment ($400), and i sold my last rig. So really i didnt pay a single dime. *giggle*

 

[werxen]

I never stated that my quad was better

Im justs state that all game performance in most situations come from GPU power and is the first bottleneck. U say that ur dual beats the crap out of a quad, all im saying is that ur wrong.
And yes, i drew those in Photoshop also :lol: :lol: u like my skills?

Otherwise im done. I got my lols and my frames, and others are just pissed

Edit: Also, ur screenshots is Crysis. Can u not get that through ur head. Crysis gives u DX10 and Very High. Wars is locked into a DX10 variant (thats really 9) and only can go high

Edit 2: And actually i paid 0 for my rig. Parents owed me money, dad bought me Case and PSU as payment ($400), and i sold my last rig. So really i didnt pay a single dime. *giggle*

so your parents bought u ur computer... figures.

and you ALWAYS said your quad was better in gaming. GTA4 thread anyone? you got SPANKED bro. u also said games are solely gpu dependent by hmm... why is it i get better frames on tougher games than YOU do with a 4850? weird... maybe its cuz my processor kicks the crap out of yours in games?? oh yeah! and BTW you can talk about crysis dx10 this crysis dx10 that. the BOTTOM LINE is you posted SS of a CRAP ASS looking version of 'crysis wars' that you claimed was crysis. you failed yourself with the screenshots provided and i pwned you with mine. my crysis not only runs superior on higher resolutions, IT LOOKS 1000000000 TIMES BETTER! woah!!! GO FIGURE! i thought quads beats the craps out of DUALS WTF?

silverion... you just need to stop posting in dual vs. quad threads thats all im saying. all you do is post theories and hypothetical without posting ANY REAL NUMBERS OR FACTS. im GLAD you can encode video and play a game at once, but ya know what? i dont give a crap about encoding video and playing a game on mediocre settings at once. i would rather max out my game and encode video while i surf the web at a later time. that said... hmmm thats about all your quad can do better than my dual. everything else i pretty much destroy you in as shown in the above. again, i ask, how much did your setup cost? :lol: by the time applications on the mainstream are multithreaded i will be buying my 6-8 core processor then we can see how well your quad holds up in the real world, k buddy?

 

[Silverion77]

Arent u contradicting urself a little??
Ur saying how quad cores are crap and at the end u state how ur 6-8 core (in 2010 or whenever Westmere comes out) is gonna be awesome
Seems a bit retarded
And what have u showed me that has ur 4850 beating my GX2? I havent seen CoD pics and the 2 Crysis pics u showed were at 30 fps on a video of a cutscene

And GTA 4 does run better off a quad core and thats been proven. Maybe L4D but that hasnt been tested.
How much??? idk splurged on the case, Mobo and psu. $400 covered by the money my dad paid me for his workstation. $500 for my last build i sold, and i think around $500 my parents owed me from years past.
I mean u say it like its a big difference, but at the time if i got the same exact thing with a dual instead it would've been around $100-150 difference. CPU isnt the cost. Its the $170 case $280 PSU and $260 mobo

Edit: ALSO HAHAHAH i just realized. Next time actually run Crysis in DX10 before u say ur gpu is better ROFL.
Keep raging i keep laughing

 

[werxen]

*sigh* i think i have to explain everything in baby terms so you can understand.

by the time APPLICATIONS (the things you run on your computer ie: firefox, paint, general games, itunes and general operating systems etc etc) run on more than ONE core i will be purchasing a top of the line MULTI core system and the approx. time that will happen there will be 6-8 core processors. understand? there is no contradiction of ANY sorts you just dont UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.

im going to finish with this:

i have given you multiple chances to back up your statements in regards to quad core systems. so far you have shown nothing besides a few crappy screenshots showing how poorly games run on quads. thats the bottom line silverion. you can say all you want but screenshots and benchmarks speak higher than words. i posted system rigs that would EAT YOURS ALIVE that CANNOT reach YOUR CLAIMED FRAMES PER SECOND yet you still claim you get those FPS. its just so painfully obvious you are a fanboy of the latest and greatest and do not put any THOUGHT towards what you are going to be using your system for. you basically bought a ferrari to drive in a city thats made of school zones. way to go dude, enjoy the driving.

edit: and btw, those screenshots i took were when i had the lowest frames per second in crysis to show you the most graphic intense portions. if you want to see pictures of me getting 40+ FPS let me know cuz i have them.

 

[Silverion77]

its DX9 u idiot...Run it in 10 and then well talk

At that same part i got 10-15 more fps with DX10

And Windows 7 is coded for quads. Y u would need firefox, itubes and paint to use more cores i have no clue, but if thats what justifies multiple cores for u.
And yes i would buy a Ferrari in a school zone if i had that sort of money. I mean look at Trump or any of them. He drives a SLR McClaren in New York City where 99% of the time hes in a stand still....
(Dumb analogy if u ask me)