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Upped the Budget-$1,500 Gamer-Here It Is. Final Thoughts?

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November 5, 2008 6:53:09 PM

I upped the budget to get what I wanted, and here's the list including monitor, software, and peripherals. ANY help or comments at this point is appreciated, as it's sitting in my shopping cart at Newegg and I'm ready to check out.

I'm going to do some overclocking, but nothing insane.

HP 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DVD1070i - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Acer P243WAid Black-Silver 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP Support 400 cd/m2 3000:1 ACM - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Logitech Wave Pro Desktop Black USB 2.4 GHz Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Combo - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand total = $1,667 incl. shipping, $1,573 after MIR's.

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November 5, 2008 7:11:59 PM

Looking good, you did your homework. I only have one critique and that is the power supply. You could take that down a notch or two and go with a 750W or even a 650W depending on if you see crossfire action in the future. There may still be a 650W power supply/Anten 900 combo for a $50 savings on newegg (not sure).
November 5, 2008 7:18:03 PM

I just built mine and was very happy with the same acer monitor that you are buying. I went with a 4870x2 and only bought a 750 watt ps which is working perfectly
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November 5, 2008 7:20:31 PM

sounds like a well rounded package. Good luck with the build!
November 5, 2008 7:20:40 PM

Nice build. I don't see any sore thumbs sticking out.


...although for gaming, you might prefer a wired mouse and keyboard.
November 5, 2008 7:33:37 PM

You save an extra $30.00 if you select the Antec case and PSU combo in case you missed it.

Nice!
November 5, 2008 7:40:29 PM

The only hitch you might have it the PSU. 850 watts is enough, but each rail only has 18A on it. Those 4870's are power hungry. I would get a PC Power & Cooling 750W that has a sinlge 60A rail. They will run about $100 - $120 on Newegg depending on the MIR.

I had a 650W Antec PSU similiar to the 850 with just 1 less rail, and they all have 18A and I had problems running my 4850. I would get random reboots in high intensity graphics situations. I tested every other component and they were working fine the card just wasn't getting sufficient power.

I replaced it with a Corsair 750w that is very similiar to the PC Power & Cooling unit I recommended, it also has the 60A single rail. I haven't had any problems since.
November 5, 2008 8:48:57 PM

wow, that's the EXACT same system i chose, except for the monitor. good work!!

you can go to the ati website and they have compatibility lists of PSUs for their cards, and the antec 850 TPQ is officially compatible. i can't offer personal knowledge as i have not yet ordered :( 
November 5, 2008 9:45:42 PM

Thanks for the thoughts guys.

Hmmm...I don't know enough about power supplies to even be dangerous. The PCPower and Cooling is only about another $15 after I add back the combo $ from the Antec case/power supply deal. Is this power supply simply better for my application?
November 5, 2008 10:01:50 PM

Well if you have to add $15 than it's probably not worth it. Are you ever planning to go crossfire?
November 6, 2008 2:02:13 AM

it's $50 less to use the Antec neo650 than the Antec 850 TPQ, but 650 is going to be cutting it close for future upgrades (4870x2, 5870x2?, more HDDs, external devices...)
November 6, 2008 2:34:36 AM

Dunno about the crossfire...I'll bet another single card will outperform two crossfires when the time comes. (like the 4870 1gb vs. 2 4850)
November 6, 2008 2:09:38 PM

well, the 2 crossfired 4850's are much better than the one 4870, but not 2 crossfired 4870s. and the 4870x2 is better than 2 crossfired 4870s.

i'm getting the 850 because i want to have absolute certainty that in a few years my power supply will be able to handle whatever brand new card i put in. if your going to have a PC for a couple years, you also have to consider the PSU is going to become less efficient, ~10-20% i've heard. keep that in mind.
November 6, 2008 3:22:14 PM

"well, the 2 crossfired 4850's are much better than the one 4870..."

Really? 2 4850's are cheaper too...That seems like a better solution than 1 4870, no?
November 6, 2008 4:04:58 PM

think about the future a bit. Replacing both cards will be more expensive than adding a single card (or replacing a single card).
November 6, 2008 4:10:06 PM

Good point.
November 6, 2008 8:05:31 PM

and using two cards means you need a mobo that has 2 x16 PCIe slots, which will cost at least $50 more (x38, x48, x58). and two cards produce a lot more heat, so one 4870 1GB is actually cheaper once all these things are considered.
November 6, 2008 10:09:14 PM

IT'S DONE! Just pressed the order button and now the 3 day wait begins - hopefully Monday it will show up.

I changed the keyboard and mouse for cabled ones, although still nice (designed for gaming). And I swapped the PS for the Corsair 750TX. Oh, and I added an ethernet cable. ;) 

Thanks all very much for your help!
November 6, 2008 10:29:58 PM

Hey I am not sure, if it was a nice choice of spending a 100$ on a PSU.
I built me 1 last week , with the same Confiuration but with Quad Core and SLI for 300$ less.
It had the P45 SLI, Q6600, 6 GB DDR2 8500, and ATI HD 4850, Antec 900 and OCZ 700W and OC HD 4850
Btw i got the Dominator
And i was surprised to see how well it could overclock.
And it just cost me 1350$.
It hasnt given me any problems so far, so i am
November 6, 2008 10:32:01 PM

Pretty Satisfied. The only regret was not going for the 4870 as there was a 25$ price drop teh next day on it.
Hope youll enjoy Fragging :) )))
November 6, 2008 11:36:54 PM

LoopyCootybrain said:
Hey I am not sure, if it was a nice choice of spending a 100$ on a PSU.
I built me 1 last week , with the same Confiuration but with Quad Core and SLI for 300$ less.
It had the P45 SLI, Q6600, 6 GB DDR2 8500, and ATI HD 4850, Antec 900 and OCZ 700W and OC HD 4850
Btw i got the Dominator
And i was surprised to see how well it could overclock.
And it just cost me 1350$.
It hasnt given me any problems so far, so i am


First off, there's no use telling him he wasted money after it's done, that just not nice.

second, how is your system SLI? SLI has NOTHING to do with it, nor would your system even have it, since you have an ATI mobo and vid card.

hope the system works very well for you, because that's the exact same thing i'll have soon too! let me know how everything goes.
November 7, 2008 4:41:06 PM

"First off, there's no use telling him he wasted money after it's done, that just not nice. "

No worries, but thanks Spidy. :D 


I could have trimmed a few places for sure:

1) Could have bought a lower $ case, but this one should cool just fine especially with that massive 200mm fan in the top.

2) Could have bought a cheaper PSU, but this one is very well regarded and should be good for a few years. For me, the extra $ is for piece of mind.

3) Could have bought a smaller monitor, but I've got a Mac already with a 24" monitor (I know, don't ask ;)  ) and I didn't want my kids fighting over which computer they would use just because one screen size is bigger than the other. Sounds silly, I know, but if you're a parent of more than one kid, then you learn to avoid potential problems. :pt1cable: 

4) Could have bought a generic mouse and keyboard, but I like the ergonomic keyboards with the wrist support, and the mouse is joe cool. :sol: 

5) Could have gotten a 4850 instead of the 4870 1GB, but with the larger monitor and higher resolution, I didn't want to chance it.

So to sum, yup - I certainly could have saved a few bucks. For me, this build works fine and again, thanks everyone for your help.
November 7, 2008 5:55:28 PM

Nah i have to say that the $1200-1400 is the sweet spot. U get exactly what u want. My first PC was a "budget" and i was happy of course, but then i thought, "crap if i put in $100/200 more i could have gotten a much better computer" but thats just me.

And that PSU is a very good choice...i mean yes its a lot of power but who cares. Its good quality (very good quality), good value and Corsair is just reliable. I mean look at me, I have the Signature which is total overkill and expensive but to me NEVER skimp on the psu, cause if that goes, so does ur system (and some parts may never turn on again)
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