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February 1, 2009 1:20:48 AM

hello all i was wondering if anyone out their could give me a hand in determining the most stable of these two systems while one may have a better card than the other i would gladly accept the lesser system if it means better stability here are the two rigs

first up the intel/nvidia

psu:Nzxt PP600 Watt Power Supply-SLI Supports
cpu:intel core2duo E8400
mobo:EVGA 750 SLI NVIDIA 750i SLI Chipset LGA775 Supports LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2/800
gpu:nvidia 9800GTX+ 512mb
ram:4gb DDR2/800
hdd:320gb sataII
os vista 64bit

now the amd/ati

psu:casegear hush 680watt
cpu:amd phenomIIx4 940
mobo:Biostar TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX
gpu:ati HD4870 512mb
ram:4gb DDR2/800
hdd:320gb sataII
os:vista 64bit

hope someone can help me out

thx in advance guys

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February 1, 2009 1:45:24 AM

Both systems sound like they'ed be stable. I normally like Intel, but I'd suggest the AMD/ATI build. As long as you don't overclock, they should both be stable.
February 1, 2009 4:38:28 AM

awesome the other forums were driving me nuts saying that i needed to buy some super expensive psu for the amd build and did not seem to listen to the fact that i do not want to overclock
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February 1, 2009 2:33:06 PM

if your looking super stable, i would go a different card on the amd build because sometimes the ati cards have driver issues. get a gtx 260 core 216 or something
February 1, 2009 3:16:20 PM

shiftstealth said:
if your looking super stable, i would go a different card on the amd build because sometimes the ati cards have driver issues. get a gtx 260 core 216 or something


Everything can have issues, the 4870 in my mind is a better buy then a GTX 260 (Core 216), now on the systems both will be stable, with the AMD build your also semi-future proof with the 4 Core Phenom over the now aging 2 core Dual-Core, not to mention experience better gaming results in Crysis, GTA4, UT3, and other games that support multiple cores (above 2).

All in all the only thing I can recommend is that you upgrade the HD 4870 into a 1GB modeled HD 4870, this will provide you with an extra 512MB of ram making you take less of a hit when AA / AF is enabled.

Sapphire HD4870 1GB
Price: 224.99 (USD) ($10.00 Mail-in Rebate)

Also if you are interested in going with the intel system (For whatever reason) try upgrading the 9800 GTX+ Sparkle has a cheap GTX 260 (Core 216).

I hope this helps.
February 1, 2009 8:51:37 PM

ok guys well i have one more question would this be a better psu for the amd build

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX POWER SUPPLY
Specifications More Product Info ...

* Supports ATX12V v2.2 standard and older ATX12V 2.01 spec
* Ultra-quiet 120mm (140mm on TX750W) double ball-bearing fan delivers excellent airflow
* 80%+ energy efficiency at 20%, 50% and 100% load condition for less heat generation and lower energy bill
* 99% Active Power Factor Correction provides clean and reliable power to your system
* Universal AC input 90~264V automatically scans and detects the correct voltage
* Dedicated single +12V rail offers maximum compatibility with latest components
* Over Current/Voltage/Power Protection, Under Voltage Protection, and Short Circuit Protection provide maximum safety to your critical system components.
* High quality Japanese capacitors provide uncompromised performance and reliability.
* Extra long cables support full tower size chassis.
* TX650W Dimension: 5.9"(W) x 3.4"(H) X 5.9"(L);
* MTBF: 100,000 Hours
* NVIDIA SLI™-ready certified.

Corsair TX650W Specifications: Model CMPSU-650TX
AC INPUT 90-264V ~ 9A 50/60Hz
DC OUTPUT +3.3V +5V +12V -12V +5Vsb
MAX LOAD 24A 30A 52A 0.8A 3A
MAX COMBINED WATTAGE 170W 624W 9.6W 15W
TOTAL POWER: 650W

and also in case the company im getting this comp from doesnt update the mobo bios will someone show me how and where to get the update :o 
February 1, 2009 9:16:18 PM

oh and the only way im going to be able to get a 4870 1gig is if i downgrade to a PII 920 which i am probably going to do cuz it is the only way to get that nice corsair psu
February 1, 2009 9:31:10 PM

scratch that no 1gb 4870 for me with the corsair i would have to stick with the 512mb
February 1, 2009 9:31:32 PM

The 920 will still work as well as the 940, you can also mildly overclock it to the specifications for the 940.
February 1, 2009 9:34:01 PM

@ shiftstealth i want ati because of the dragon architecture
February 1, 2009 9:45:59 PM

so would the corsair 650 watt be a better psu and worth downgrading to a 920 and also it is imperitive if the company i get this from does not update the bios that some one help me find and install it since i have never done it before so if anyone out there is willing to help it would be tremendously appreciated
February 1, 2009 10:07:44 PM

go E8400 any systems stable

how to build a stable rig

reasearch other people speed - i.e. at 3.6ghz q6600 or 4ghz E8500

next get the best cooling: case, mobo and cpu

finally tune the system

one thing at a time

cpu voltage, memory voltage then memory timings

may have to tweak the other mobo settings but that rare for mild oc -- 4ghz is a mild stable oc for e8500 e0

4.6ghz is high oc and need more tuning more fsb and less stablity

keep your fsb no higher then 425 and as low as 375 -- 400 is sweet spot hence the 3.6ghz q6600
February 1, 2009 10:41:21 PM

I don't think you need a 650watts PSU. A Phenom II 920 is good enough. The difference between a 940 and 920 is miniscule except the 940 has an unlocked multiplier which is useless to you since you're not planning to OC. Go with a 4870 1GB and you wouldn't regret it.

Check this article to see what kind of PSU you really need.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-powe...
February 1, 2009 10:47:49 PM

well hell idk if im even gonna get the amd cuz idk if there going to flash my mobo and i have never done anything like that before
February 1, 2009 10:54:49 PM

what would be the ideal wattage for the amd build then?
February 1, 2009 10:59:39 PM

Both of those builds are fine. One CPU is not going to be more stable than another, its a CPU, not a beta video driver on unsupported hardware. And the 790GX chipset is far better and far more reliable than any Nvidia chipset board.

Personally I would go with the AMD build. Ditch that PSU you have picked and snag one from a more reputable brand like Antec or Corsair. Depends on how much you are willing to spend.
February 1, 2009 11:04:27 PM

what about this then it is the next cheapest and it would enable me to get the 4870 1gig

XION Sueprnova serials
AC Input

115Vac ~ 235Vac 10.7/6.2A 60.50Hz

DC Output

+3.3V

+5V

+12V1

+12V2

-12V

+5VSB
600W

Max Output Current Max Combined Wattage

24A

32A

21A

22A

0.6A

2.0A
600W
Cooling

140mm Silent Blue LED Fan
M.T.B.F.

100,000 + Hrs at 70% of full rated load
Humidity

Operation: to 85%, relative humidity,
non condensing at 25˚c
Storage: to 95%, relative humidity,
non condensing at 50˚c
Temperature

0 ~ 40˚c (Operating)
-40 ~ 70˚c (Storage)
Dimension(LxWxH)

163mm x 150mm x 85mm
Connectors

MB - 24 Pins x 1 (Mainboard)
12V - 8 Pins x 1 (MainBoard)
12V - 4 Pins x 1 (MainBoard)
12V/5V - 4 Pins x 9 (Drives)
SATA - x 4
Floppy - 4 Pins x 2
PCI Express(VGA) - 6 Pins x 2
February 1, 2009 11:07:38 PM

What resolution are you going to be playing at? The 1GB card is pretty worthless if you arent playing at like 1900x1200.
February 1, 2009 11:07:55 PM

to spathotan yeah i was thinking about a corsair 650 watt
February 1, 2009 11:11:06 PM

yeah not at a very high res really i dont plan on getting a huge monitor maybe like a 20 hdtv monitor since im not to big of a graphics wh*re and the only reason i want that is so i can hook my x box 360 up to it
February 1, 2009 11:16:02 PM

Then you dont need a 1GB 4870.
February 1, 2009 11:19:23 PM

okay but the most important question i have is if the company i buy this from does not update the bios it wont regester the pII and i will need some help finding and flashing the bios that is the only thing that is messing with me getting this amd build spathotan would you know anything about that?(bios flashing)
February 1, 2009 11:23:30 PM

Will they be installing the OS for you as well? If so then they will have no choice but to install a new BIOS.
February 1, 2009 11:24:11 PM

ps:
stay away from off brand psu unless its been around a year stick with antec, silvestone, pc&p corsair (zero failures) -- ocz is ok i fired them 3 years ago,

some of the old rock solid lower power makers hipro, sparkle, fsp did not make good transitions too big psu's in some cases

some new ones like xig are ok if really cheap - but why when you can get the good ones!

stay away from the off brand raidmax, xclio,


stablty testing:

my i7 systems

100% stable test is

run prime 95 for 64bit, spysweeper and avg, 3dmarko6 simutanously serveral times
then game it.

temps should be below 75c at all times in warm room 75f - this is hours at full out

slowly raise the votlage untill you reach stablity on the cpu
test the ram seprate

load calibration lock if needed

3.6-4.2ghz = 1.39-1.42v
February 1, 2009 11:30:38 PM

yeah they will vista 64bit okay awesome thats great it is official then my rig will consist of the following and i would like spathotan to bestow his blessing apon it (lolz)
# *BASE_PRICE: [+949]
# CAS: Xion III Gaming Mid-Tower 420W Case with Side Window [-70] (BLACK COLOR)
# CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 920 Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
# CD: Sony 20x Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
# FREEBIE_CU: FREE! 4GB USB 2.0 Portable Flash Drive
# FAN: AMD ATHLON64 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
# HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
# MOTHERBOARD: Biostar TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard [-34]
# MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
# NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
# OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition)
# PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19]
# POWERSUPPLY: 650 Watts Power Supplies [+68] (Corsair CMPSU-650TX - Quad SLI Ready)
# RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
# SERVICE: Standard Warranty: 1-Year Limited Warranty Plus Life-Time Technical Support
# SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
# USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
# VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 4870 PCI-E 16X 512MB DDR5 Video Card [-5]
# WNC: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card
# _PRICE: (+889)
February 1, 2009 11:31:47 PM

Im assuming this is cyberpowerpc or what not?
February 1, 2009 11:36:57 PM

yeah and before anyone starts flipping out saying how horrible they are i have already heard all the horror stories and i am willing to take a chance where else am i gonna find a rig this good for under $1000 bucks i am not exp enough to make my own in fact this was supposed to be a cheapish rig that i could upgrade and learn the ropes you know what i mean
February 1, 2009 11:38:18 PM

Im not gonna bash you, was just wondering. They are obviously going to set the PC up for you so you should not encounter any issues with the P2 compatability.
February 1, 2009 11:44:03 PM

sorry i was a little short but man it drove me nuts when people would try to talk me out of it because tech support sucked or something screwed up but honestly these things happen and tech support will always suck dont matter who you buy from i used to work in a call center you should see some of the people they hire heck THEY HIRED ME lmao! :D 
February 1, 2009 11:47:52 PM

but anyway my post on the rig up there yay/nay spathotan
February 1, 2009 11:50:29 PM

Its good to go. All components are good.
February 1, 2009 11:54:05 PM

orsum!!! i appreciate the help everyone and thank you spathotan im sure this wont be the last time i will bug ya'll

thx for all your help
-metalgear-
February 2, 2009 5:05:03 AM

All I'm going to say is that you will regret not getting a 1GB Radeon HD 4870 sometime in the future :p .
February 2, 2009 7:24:57 AM

yeah i would like to get the 1gig if i could but my wife would kill me and a computer is not much use to me if im dead lol :D 
February 2, 2009 7:25:51 AM

cant wait for my rig fear 2 should be out by the time i get it
February 2, 2009 4:07:40 PM

Well I didn't know that part, get the 512MB version of the 4870 so your wife doesn't kill you, if you wait a bit longer I imagine prices will drop to, I also tend to purchase the video card last when building a system because it always results in cheaper prices.

*Cough* people paid $300+ for a HD 3870, I paid 140.
February 2, 2009 7:19:05 PM

Yea, go with that Corsair PSU for either build, NZXT does pretty good on cases but have not heard of their power supplies.

Doesnt make them automatic crap, but in general doesnt bode well for it.
February 2, 2009 7:38:18 PM

(nzxt) i heard super flower builds their insides and they dont like heat
cant get the corsiar psu for the intel cuz intel is too expensive the e8400 cost more then the pII yet the both pII's beat it in all the gaming benchmarks on guru3d.com
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