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new cataylist 8.12 drivers!! who else is excited???!?!?

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December 4, 2008 11:54:21 PM

hey!! so ive done some light research and reading on the new cataylist 8.12 drivers and they sound like the answer to crysis and all of it's eye candy-ness
:p 

post what type of rig you have and we can all celebrate and talk about the new drivers coming out!!

i have two 3870's in crossfire(640SPUs total), MSI k9a2 platinum mobo, 2 gigz of DDR2 800 (OCed to DDR2 1014), AMD Athlon 5000+ BE OCed to 3.4GHZ, 530W Raidmax HYBRID PSU, and a Sunbeam Transformer case.


long live the AMD empire!
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a b \ Driver
December 5, 2008 12:14:52 AM

what improvements do they bring?
December 5, 2008 12:33:03 AM

Looking forward to it, atm CCC won't change my fan speed.
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a b \ Driver
December 5, 2008 2:39:39 AM

Well, my 4850 is fast enough for what I play, though I definitely will give the 8.12's ago when they are fully released (around Dec. 12, I think?). I sure hope they can add some excitement to this great graphics card battle.
a b \ Driver
December 5, 2008 2:40:51 AM

mark $, don't you have an Asus card? They came with a program that adjusts fanspeed. That's what I use on mine for fanspeed and temp readings.
December 5, 2008 3:09:43 AM

I thought they had fixed fan speed profiles/adjustments in 8.10 or 8.11?
December 5, 2008 3:14:41 AM

I tried the CCC Fan Speed with the driver version that supposedly fixed it. It didn't seem to work right and I ended up just using my custom made fan fix profile.
December 5, 2008 3:33:44 AM

Hah new catalyst versions scare me more than anything ^_^. Seems like more than half the version give me problems so when I find a version where everything works I pretty much leave it be. For now I'm fine with both the 8.11 on both Vista and XP. If the 8.12 brings a big enough improvement in games I play I might try it out in Vista, but I'll be more than ready to go back to the 8.11 :D .
December 5, 2008 4:15:13 AM

I can't wait to get Warhead running even prettier.

Specs: 4870X2, E8400@ 4.0Ghz, 4GB Mushkin, X38 P5E
December 5, 2008 4:29:22 AM

Yeah I have an asus card, I opened up my case and turned it one. The fan wasn't even spinning. Yeah I have smartdocter, just had to reinstall it :p 
December 5, 2008 5:00:12 AM

E8400 @3.9ghz
ATI 4870 1GB @ stock
4GB OCZ Reaper 1200mhz DDR2 ram
Asus P5Q

Currently running 8.12 RC3 beta.
December 5, 2008 5:21:13 AM

CPU: Phenom 9950 OC to 2.85Ghz
GPU: HD 4870 512mb OC to 765/1070
RAM: 4gb G Skill DDR2-800

I just put on 8.11 so I could get FarCry 2 to play better... But I really dont like the game At all.

The way the you move is not smooth but its jerkie I hate that it hurts my eyes.

With cat 8.11 On Ultra high I get avg 28.7FPS On very high Avg. 45.3FPS (Benchmark tool Ranch Small) With 2xAA. Res. 1080p

I looking to play crysis Warhead with 40+ FPS

Go Cat. 8.12

Also Its almost time for Cat. 9.1!!!






December 5, 2008 5:27:07 AM

^ really? You get 28.7 on ultra high? I have 1 GB edition as mentioned above and unless I've made a mistake, I can get around 40 fps avg on ultra high + 2xAA.
December 5, 2008 5:38:36 AM

Since we're all posting specs... :whistles:

Q6600 @ 3.2ghz
Asus Maximus (Intel X38) with Rampage mod(X48 bios for extra options)
4x2gb 800mhz CL4 ram
2x512mb 4870 Crossfire (don't ask about the 512mb...)
2x Seagate 500gb/32mb cache drives, RAID 0, 1
LG X243P monitor
Logitec G15 (blue) + MX518

Darn it... I revealed just how badly I need a girl friend...
December 5, 2008 11:51:39 AM

Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz
8GB DDR2 800 4-4-4-12
HIS 4870 1gb 800/1100

Seeing as how the 8.11's did nothing spectacular for me, the 8.12's will not have to do much to impress. Crysis and warhead performance would be nice. Getting 22-35 fps now @ 1680x1050 Very High Settings with 4xAA

Farcry 2 is around 50+ fps at those same ultra high settings but I have to cap it at 30 so I don't get stuttering. These drivers need to fix that stuttering.
December 5, 2008 10:41:39 PM

Quote:
what improvements do they bring?

AMD states that it will be unlocking the stream processors of ATI cards

which will be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet if you have a 3870 and up..

just take a look at those card's specs ;) 
December 6, 2008 6:14:40 AM

rambo117 said:
AMD states that it will be unlocking the stream processors of ATI cards

which will be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet if you have a 3870 and up..

just take a look at those card's specs ;) 


You mean 2900 and up since the 3870 and 2900 are the same card only the 3870 has the 55nm die in it. They both have 320 Stream Shaders. The 4800s however have 800.
December 6, 2008 3:17:32 PM

jimmysmitty said:
You mean 2900 and up since the 3870 and 2900 are the same card only the 3870 has the 55nm die in it. They both have 320 Stream Shaders. The 4800s however have 800.

ok, FYI the 2900xt has 240 stream processors and it is NOT the same as the 3870. the 3870 is a complete revision of the 2900xt. lower power usage, more SPUs, higher memory bandwidth, more OCing potential, ect.
i wasnt aware that the new driver was going to be for the 2xxx series but thats pretty sweet if it is. i just thought that the generation of the 2 series was fading away...
a b \ Driver
December 6, 2008 3:54:50 PM

No, the 2900XT has 320 SPUs. See this page (the first I could find):

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_rv670_performance_preview/page2.asp

The 3870 also cut the 512-bit memory interface but went to GDDR4. It actually ended up with less memory bandwidth as well.

The 3870 did use much less power (and thus ran cooler), but the 2900XT was an excellent OCer (even w/stock cooler, and with fancy cooling it was insane).
December 6, 2008 7:12:24 PM

I sure hope it fixes my as-good-as-dud brand new HD 4870X2, otherwise I'm going to Nvidia.
a b \ Driver
December 6, 2008 7:21:44 PM

What's wrong with your X2?
December 6, 2008 7:30:47 PM

It has worked for about 48 hours no problem, and now suddenly all games are crashing in around 10-20 mins of play (instant reboots).

Card GPU temps are around 70-92c when it happens.

Tried 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, 8.11 hotfix drivers to no avail.

Performance is amazing - when it works.

I've all but given up now =(
a b \ Driver
December 6, 2008 8:20:15 PM

Well, it doesn't sound like it is overheating. While that is hot, it is acceptable (though you always could turn the fan up a little). What it does sound like it could be it the power supply. What are the specs/age of yours? Also, how is the case airflow?

If that doesn't work, you could always try RMAing.
December 6, 2008 8:50:38 PM

disobey said:
It has worked for about 48 hours no problem, and now suddenly all games are crashing in around 10-20 mins of play (instant reboots).

Card GPU temps are around 70-92c when it happens.

Tried 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, 8.11 hotfix drivers to no avail.

Performance is amazing - when it works.

I've all but given up now =(

hmmmm, sounds like an overheating issue to me... if the driver's fan controller doesnt work, find another software that does. i perrsonally use rivatuner to control both my 3870's fans. my temps stay below 60C all the time:) 

give it a try cause 72-92C doesnt sound too healthy for that highend of a card...
December 6, 2008 10:09:23 PM

Quote:
rambo, come back when you have a clue.

what r you talking about? i was SIMPLY trying to help the guy out. isnt that what we're here for? to help out each other?? well, i tried to do that then you slam me down.. what the heck is your problem. come back when you have a clue what the forums are for

noob
December 6, 2008 10:30:53 PM

lol thread jack..
December 6, 2008 11:05:07 PM

Well I've since found the card remains somewhat more stable at a 50% fan speed, staying below 70c however the sound on this thing is deafening. Not a good sign really, considering drivers are supposed to handle the fan speed automatically - which makes me think it isn't an overheating problem.

What is obvious though is that GPU1 is much hotter than GPU2 under load, usually by 20 degrees as the hot air passes GPU2 first, meaning the first core is really going to be the problem causer IF it's overheating.

I've tried even now the beta 8.12 catalysts and still no luck - performance DID improve further however - but then what's the point for 20 mins of gameplay?

I did also notice turning off catalyst AI makes no difference whatsoever apart from massive framerate drops of up to 15-30fps in some cases (far cry 2).

It appears this only affects full screen apps, notably because windowed apps use the card's 2D clocks of 507/500.

Seems to me like these cards aren't designed to run at the advertised speed with any guaranteed stability whatsoever.
a b \ Driver
December 7, 2008 3:05:00 AM

Well, it is possible it is defective, however it could be power problems as well. Back when I had a mediocre 550W Power supply and a 2900XT it did the exact same thing. I then added a GPU power supply and it was rock solid until it was replaced by my 4850 (which no longer needs the extra PS). What are your PS specs and how is your case airflow (for the aforementioned 2900XT, I had to run with the side off and a big fan blowing in the side to keep temps good).
December 7, 2008 5:06:32 AM

rambo117 said:
what r you talking about? i was SIMPLY trying to help the guy out. isnt that what we're here for? to help out each other?? well, i tried to do that then you slam me down.. what the heck is your problem. come back when you have a clue what the forums are for

noob


Actually, you aren't helping him at all. Those cards run fine at those speeds. Mine runs at 90C all day long when gaming, and adjusts the fan speed to keep it around 90c at pretty much any load but idle. That isn't the problem.
December 7, 2008 5:10:00 AM

well. im sorry for giving him a suggestion then.
December 7, 2008 10:33:28 AM

All suggestions welcome! After all, I may have just wasted £360 on a door stop.

It seems temps are peaking at around 92c now, however the fan speed controller seems to be running at 27% most of the time (<1300rpm).

FYI I have a 700w Jeantech Storm. It isn't on the approved list, but it was purchased before the X2 came out. It's triple SLI approved however, so surely should have enough juice?

It has the necessary 2 dedicated 6/8-pin 12v rails so I assumed it would be OK. It's real time power monitor on the back reports system wattage use peaking at around 370-400 watts. Also in the case I have:

1x WD Raptor 150gb SATA II.
1x LG Blue Ray DVD-RW

Intel core i7 920 (stock heatsink)
SB X-Fi Extreme Music PCI
Asus rampage II Extreme X58
6GB G-Skill DDR3-1600mhz Tri-channel memory (2x2x2gb)

The case is a lian-li TYR LC-X500 with 2 out fans, 2 in fans (all 120mm at high throughput).

Case temps have generally not exceeded 25c, and are 20c in most places.

The north/southbridge chips are reporting temps between 40 and 60c.

Nothing is overclocked! The RAM is running underclocked at 1333mhz (ive tried 1066mhz too). I've even tried disabling all but 2 cores on the i7!

Running out of ideas here.. would you suggest I maybe try the card in a difference machine, or perhaps remove all non-essential components? How can I tell if the PSU is causing the problem? Windows is reporting events in the log regarding a "hardware or device driver" failure on the reboots. Occasionally it just C2D's rather than reboots, but gives no indication of what is failing (although it's pretty obvious its the vcard).
a b \ Driver
December 7, 2008 1:28:59 PM

Well, even though that PSU sounds like a lot of power, it still could be the cause. I know nothing about that brand, but if it is a lower quality one, you'd be surprised how underperforming they can be.

I'd hate to make you spend more money on something that may no fix the issue, but if you do buy a new PSU, I'd suggest going for simplicity and quality. If you live in the US, this PC P&C is really cheap right now (if you can get the rebate to work). Its the one I bought for my new system.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

When my 2900XT was doing the same thing (except I think it may have done some VPU recovers as well) upgrading the power supply did wonders. The only other suggestion I can make is stressing the ram and CPU alone to make sure they are not defective (I know back in the day I used memtest and prime95, I don't know what people use today.)
a b \ Driver
December 7, 2008 2:03:58 PM

well, I believe my 4850 chows down a max of 110W, and the 4870 was a bit higher (150-180W, maybe?) Double that and you see you have quite a beast on your hands. On top of that, however, these "dedicated rails" things get on my nerves. Not all of the GPU power can come from the selected rail since some must come through the motherboard. That's why I was glad when that PC P&C just had a single 50A rail rather than 4 20A rails. Assuming that his PSU is the problem, you are probably right that it is because of the small rails. I always blamed the multi-rails on my 550W for causing my system's instability.
December 7, 2008 3:07:47 PM

im running two 3870s with a 530W crossfire certified PSU with 28A and has been running rock stable. it would seem that your PSU is a little too underpowered for that beast of a card. you probably need 30A or more for that thing.. id hate to tell you to spend more money but it would seem that is the last option. :( 
December 7, 2008 6:05:36 PM

It could depend on which connector goes where too. Id dedicate that 25 amd rail to the highest demanded area for the card, as 17 amps should supply anything else. Try that first, but you may need a new psu
December 8, 2008 2:09:40 PM

Using a 3870x2 and 3870 on an X38 chipset, I used to get crashes in all games when either of the following happened:

GPU would hit 95 degrees
NB would hit 63 degrees

I was using RivaTuner to keep GPU fan speed at 40% (was loudest I could stand) to no avail.

I modded the 3870x2 with ZEROTherm cooling and put a small fan over the NB and all is well now.
December 8, 2008 2:45:15 PM

4870x2 uses almost 270W, (search the XBitLabs for the test)
So 22.5A would be enough, but then again I have never heard of Jeantech PSUs, sounds suspicious... The rest of the system is so high end it would be silly to have it blown up by some unknown pos psu

bridge temp of 60ºC sounds high as well, better but some fans on it or something...
December 8, 2008 3:25:43 PM

rambo117 said:
ok, FYI the 2900xt has 240 stream processors and it is NOT the same as the 3870. the 3870 is a complete revision of the 2900xt. lower power usage, more SPUs, higher memory bandwidth, more OCing potential, ect.
i wasnt aware that the new driver was going to be for the 2xxx series but thats pretty sweet if it is. i just thought that the generation of the 2 series was fading away...


lol give yourself a face slap. 2900xt and 3870 are one and the same, except for a small clock speed bump, a die shrink and ddr4 on a 256bit bus. Performance between the 2 is neck and neck. The 2900gt has 240 shaders I believe.
December 9, 2008 11:06:58 AM

Quote:
rambo, come back when you have a clue.





use EXPERtool and there you can control all fan speed and bla bla bla.. at least it will not overheat..
December 9, 2008 6:36:38 PM

I had the exact same problem when I added in my second 4850. Running with just one I was fine, when i added the second and enabled crossfire I was fine for a few minutes then got an instant reboot.

Running a 4870x2 is very demanding on a PSU, especially while running a processor with multiple cores etc... At the time I was running a 700 watt (off brand) power supply. My thinking was that 700 watts should be more then ample. Brand does play a big part. After several reboot scares (the final straw was when the machine wouldn't come back on, scared the $hit out of me with all the new stuff I had added. Had to wait a few minutes for PSU to cool off then reset it manually). I'm now running a 750 watt certified thermaltake and have not had a reboot since.

Before buying a PSU see if you can find software to test your current one. Because I run an ASUS board there program Asus probe can monitor the voltages on the 12v of my PSU. The way I determined it was the PSU was by leaving ASUS probe running and then starting a game.... within 10 minutes the 12v raill dropped down below 11v, plummeted to below 10v then instant reboot.....
December 9, 2008 10:44:57 PM

with CCC 8.11 Hotfix i could only play Farcry 2 at 1280 on medium. now with 8.12 beta i am playing farcry2 at 1680 on very high and getting 50fps.

And i was able to max out cod4 AA and AF @ 1680 and stay over 100fps.

ga-ex38-ds4
e7200 @ 3.8G
2x2G pc6400
2 x 3870 CF @800/1170
December 10, 2008 12:33:11 PM

i can't wait. maybe they will fix my poor performance and fullscreen problem. or maybe my monitor will. maybe they both will?!?!?!

i only get 30 fps in crysis windowed(can't run fullscreen) at 1280 x 1024 with all settings high except object quality at medium, AA doesn't affect it i can have it 8x and still same results.

m3a79-t deluxe
2x 4870 x2
16G gskill ddr2 800mhz
1200 watt psu
1tb western digital
old cd and dvd drives (ones from my 3 year old compy)
almost here Acer G24 (hell yeah 50000:1 contrast)
i can't wait maybe these will fix my problems really
December 10, 2008 1:11:03 PM

^^4870X2 only uses one core in windowed mode, so you are just shooting yourself in the foot with that...
December 10, 2008 2:08:32 PM

From the Release notes


• Crysis DX10 – performance gains of up to 25% for Single and Crossfire
mode. Performance gains were noticed on all Radeon HD4xxx
• Crysis Warhead DX10 – performance gains of up to 13% for Single card
mode and up to 16% for Crossfire mode. Performance gains were noticed on
all Radeon HD4xxx

Should fix some of your probs 1dude1

btw. they have just been released http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=vista32/common-vista32
a b \ Driver
December 10, 2008 3:18:24 PM

Why can't you run fullscreen?
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