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February 4, 2009 2:30:13 AM

Budget = about $1000

Should I go with the Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz 1333FSB 12MB or the
Duo E8600 CPU @ 3.33GHz 1333FSB 6MB ??

The quad is only $10 more bucks than the Duo core.

Also I'm going with the 9800 GTX+ 1GB graphics card and Asus P5N-D nForce 750i SLI MB. I plan on getting another 9800GTX+ when they go down in price and then try SLI. In the meantime, will I have any problems running just the single card on the SLI MB? I assume you don't have to run in SLI mode all the time on a SLI MB, just wanna make sure.

And will the 650 watt Corsair CMPSU-650TX be enough to power both cards? What if I decide to get the quad Q9550, is it still enough?

Thanks for your time and help.

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February 4, 2009 2:55:07 AM

your fine with having one card on the sli motherboard.....and i would DEFF get the quad so you can be future proof for games and other things and also if i wear you i would get the 850watt psu or maybe the 750watt psu. and also you should get the gtx 260 its better that the 9800gtx+ and i think its only like 40 bucks more
February 4, 2009 2:58:33 AM

that corsair psu will be enough for any rig there you want

why not get the e8400 and overclock it to the 3.33? save you money and will get you closer to that 2nd 9800gtx+

EDIT: although you would get better performance from a GTX260/280 than sli 9800's
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February 4, 2009 7:07:03 AM

At that level of budget im inclined to say go dual, and +1 to the 260 as well.
February 4, 2009 9:12:29 PM

for most games out now, a dual core is as fast if not faster than a similar priced quad. Even multihtreaded crysis is slightly slower with a quad. Go e8400 and overclock if you need it. If you need quad for video editting, make another machine.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...
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February 4, 2009 10:51:30 PM

DiscoDuck said:
for most games out now, a dual core is as fast if not faster than a similar priced quad. Even multihtreaded crysis is slightly slower with a quad. Go e8400 and overclock if you need it. If you need quad for video editting, make another machine.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...


Very good advice.

What parts are part of that $1000 budget? An i7 920 is $10 more than the Q9550, making an equivalent i7 system about $150 more.

February 4, 2009 11:56:13 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Actually, the graphics card I initially picked was a 9600GT 512MB. Which is basically just a placeholder til I can afford a powerhouse card. So I'm already beefing up my card pick as it is now.

Whats the deal about the duo 8400, I've heard people saying it's better for OCing. Why is that? Couldn't I just OC the faster 8600 just as good or easily? And what about the 6MB L2 cache on the duo's vs the 12MB on the Q9950

Speaking of OCing, is this decent, XtremeGear Ultra Heatpipe Cool Copper Heatsink? It's the second cheapest available at Cyberpowerpc.com. Which is where I'm buying this system.

Also I'm still kinda shy of ATI cards. I still remember all the driver problems and general problems with some games in the past. Same thing with sticking with Intel and not AMD. It seems the more mainstream or popular the parts are the less problems.
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February 5, 2009 3:00:25 AM

As with ur cpus its better to go the intel way ...even though the amd is putting up a gud fight with thier PhenomII but still they have a lot to catch up wit...

But i think that in the GPU side u shuld certainly give the ATI a chance...they have certainly gained respect wit their 4000 series... and as for ur mobo i feel its kinda outdated for nw... and the x38 and the p45 chipsets are the way to go....

The p45 are really gud... The gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P has even received the anandtech gold editors choice...
And it around 120 to 130 bucks with crosfire support(x8x8) ..
So pairng this mobo wit 2 4850s will be a powerful machine...
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February 5, 2009 3:05:36 AM

Jaggy said:
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Actually, the graphics card I initially picked was a 9600GT 512MB. Which is basically just a placeholder til I can afford a powerhouse card. So I'm already beefing up my card pick as it is now.

Whats the deal about the duo 8400, I've heard people saying it's better for OCing. Why is that? Couldn't I just OC the faster 8600 just as good or easily? And what about the 6MB L2 cache on the duo's vs the 12MB on the Q9950

Speaking of OCing, is this decent, XtremeGear Ultra Heatpipe Cool Copper Heatsink? It's the second cheapest available at Cyberpowerpc.com. Which is where I'm buying this system.

Also I'm still kinda shy of ATI cards. I still remember all the driver problems and general problems with some games in the past. Same thing with sticking with Intel and not AMD. It seems the more mainstream or popular the parts are the less problems.


First of all, if your cpu runs at 3.0 or better, there will not be much difference in FPS with any single vga card.
At the level of the E8500 or Q9550, the vga card is much more important for gaming than the cpu.
At that level, overclocking is good for bragging, but it will not net you as much increase
in FPS as a better vga card will. Today, very few games can make use of more than two cores.
Flight simulator X and supreme commander are exceptions. It is not a trivial matter to code multi threaded programs,
and game vendors will not sell too many games that require quads to run.
I don't see this changing in the next couple of years.

Net: E8500 for the increased clock speed.

The E8400,E8500, and E8600 all come from the same chip. Some cpu's test out faster, so they are priced higher and sold as E8600's. Sometimes, there is not enough demand for E8600's so some fast chips are sold as E8500. There is some luck of the draw, but the E8600 should have a higher upper limit. Still, you might find a E8400 that reaches the same maximum speed. In practice, a E8400 is fast enough, and any overclock is gravy.
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February 5, 2009 3:26:36 AM

I agree wit geofelt...

And IMHO i feel u shuld get the q9550 nw and mild overclk it to abt 3.2 GHZ and get a powerful card...

So having a powerful system with enuf muscle to play the latest games as well as do any multimedia stuff u throw at it..So u get a overall winner...
February 5, 2009 10:55:45 AM

+1 to geofelt - excellently put.

If it were me, I'd go dual right now unless you are going to be doing some heavy video editing.
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February 5, 2009 12:16:59 PM

I have pretty much gone to quad cores. I can OC the quads enough to make the GPU the limiting factor in gaming. And I still have the quad for everything else.
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Overclocking since 1978 - Z80 (TRS-80) from 1.77 MHz to 2.01 MHz
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February 5, 2009 5:04:29 PM

"Overclocking since 1978 - Z80 (TRS-80) from 1.77 MHz to 2.01 MHz "

Memories...back in college I remember a friend named Scott who was determined in his desire to speed up a Trash; I don't remember what he hit, but I think it was pretty high (4MHz?).
February 5, 2009 7:36:48 PM

Thanks for the feedback fellas, I appreciate it.

Ok, I'm gonna skip on the quad and go with the e8500 and overclock it. So I'm gonna get the Thermaltake Big Typhoon VX Gaming CPU Cooling Fan. Btw, is it difficult overclocking the CPU? (Getting ahead of myself here)

Now about the MB. I've also decided to skip on SLI altogether and stick with just one card. Seems easier for us less tech-savy people and save some money too. What's the best MB to get? Here's the list in my duo spec: (all non SLI/Crossfire)

Asus P5GC Intel 945GC
MSI G31M-F Intel G31
Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Intel P43
MSI P43 Neo3-F P43
MSI P45 Neo-F P45

I was gonna go with the MSI P45 Neo-F P45 simply because it costs the most. So are all the new MBs out there all SLI and Crossfire? Or is there other better ones not in the list?

Oh hell I'll just post the specs I picked out. (important stuff)

* *BASE_PRICE: [+559]
* CASE: ($10 off Mail-in Rebate) Raidmax Sagitta II Mid-Tower 420W Gaming Case w/ Side-Panel Window [-7] (Blue Color)
* CS_FAN: Extra Case Cooling Fan [+3] (2 x Fans [+3])
* CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8500 CPU @ 3.16GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+26]
* CD: (Special Price) LG 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
* FAN: Thermaltake Big Typhoon VX Gaming CPU Cooling Fan (Excellent Overclocking + Silent Proof 16dBA) [+45]
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* KEYBOARD: Logitech Deluxe 104 PS/2 Keyboard [-2] (Black Color)
* MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse [-1]
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI P45 Neo-F P45 Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&7.1Audio [+50]
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
* OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium w/ Service Pack 1 [+104] (32-bit Edition)
* PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19]
* POWERSUPPLY: 750 Watts Power Supplies [+79] (Corsair CMPSU-750TX - Quad SLI Ready [+90])
* VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 1GB 16X PCI Express [+118] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
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February 5, 2009 8:51:12 PM

I would choose a mobo other than MSI. Gigabyte and Asus are more reliable choices, or perhaps Biostar.
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February 6, 2009 5:01:47 AM

jtt283,
I tried for more, but one of the problems with the single board computers of the era - the TRS-80's, the Apple II's, and the Commodore PET's - was that everything, particularly the video, was tied to the system clock. I tried a lot of clock divider schemes by piggybacking chips, cutting PCB traces, and running jumpers. The only one I could get to work was 2.01 MHz.

I also modded the thing to run CP/M.

Much easier nowadays, isn't it? You don't even need to fiddle with jumpers like you did 10 years ago (Acorp motherboard, P233MMX to 333 MHz).
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February 6, 2009 8:31:25 AM

I could easily be wrong about the 4MHz, I really don't remember, except that sometimes he seemed obsessed. Anyway, let's not hijack Jaggy's thread.
Of the mobos you listed there Jaggy, if I were the one buying, I would choose the Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Intel P43.
February 6, 2009 9:19:21 AM

Ok the Gigabyte MB was recommended on another site as well. I think I'll go with that.

But just to make sure now, lets say in a year or so I upgrade my card to the big guy GeForce GTX 295 that takes up two PCI slots. Will this fit on that MB?
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February 6, 2009 6:04:02 PM

jtt, why the P43, and not the usual P45 now? Buitin graphics?
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February 6, 2009 7:54:22 PM

I chose what I thought was the best choice of the ones he listed. The P45 adds another PCIE slot for possible Crossfire, but he said he's not going to run two GPUs. The only P45 he listed was MSI, and I won't buy their mobos. I work with a guy who ran a computer shop, and he has said MSI mobos were crap. I've read it elsewhere too, so I wouldn't buy one.
February 20, 2009 1:43:28 PM

Ok I'm finally probably gonna pull the trigger today. I've read several good reviews about the new AMD Phenom II. So I'm definitely leaning towards that over a Duo core based system. But I've never had a AMD system before, so a little nervous about reliablity and stability. Anything I should be aware about AMD?

It's either this...

CASE: Raidmax Sagitta II Mid-Tower Case
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 920 Quad-Core
CPU COOLER: Thermaltake Big Typhoon VX
MOTHERBOARD: Asus M3N72-D AMD 750a SLI
POWERSUPPLY: 750 Watts Corsair CMPSU-750TX
VIDEO CARD: GeForce 9600 GT 512MB Palit
OS: Vista Home Premium 32-bit
MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) PC6400 DDR2/800
HD: Single Hard Drive 500GB SATA-II

Total: $1066

.. or this. (differences listed)

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P5N-D nForce 750i SLI Chipset

Total: $1037

Unfortunately Cyberpowers "over $1000, then 5% off" promotion expired a few days ago. Which would of been -$50, but I'm SOL on that. But I still get free shipping.

February 20, 2009 2:45:20 PM

If you go for an Intel Core 2 in your price range you might as well get a Q6600 as you get 2mb more cache and you'll be more future proofed.
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February 20, 2009 11:27:27 PM

If this is for gaming, a 9600GT is a big step in the wrong direction, although you did say at the beginning it might just be a placeholder until you get something better.
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